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What do you think about arming school teachers?

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Since someone took a walk in a garden and took a bite out of an apple there hasn't been a fullproof way to protect our children from absolute evil such as was visited on the Amish girls. Frankly some of the solutions put forth on this board are scarier than what they are trying to protect against. Armed teachers-next kook will just blow up the entire school. I see alot of disdain for people in the teaching profession-don't you think the kids pick up on that. What happens if a home schooler snaps and kills his family-who do we give the guns to then? My point is there isn't an absolute failsafe way to prevent tragedies-more guns in the schools will cause far more troubles than it will ever solve.
 
I agree with soapweed, if we practice teaching the kids the values of 1956, or heck...1966....don't matter what year it is....if you teach your kids the morals and values, it has nothin to do with the fact that we have TV's(parents should be there to talk to them about what's on it), computer(should be monitored to see that they aren't doin anything they shouldnt be doin on it), cancer(there's been cancer for years even in 1956) or whatever.......good values start at home,church, and on into the schools. I can honestly say that my kids were raised the way I was raised. NO not ever circumstance was the same durin their growin up years, but the basic morals and lessons were the same. It is our job as parents to raise kids to be the kind of people we want them to be. Not let them hop skip along with little or no supervision, then when they do somethin wrong......sit there in shock. Those people that are the whacko's of the world have parents too.....and I bet when they hear that their son, or daughter has gone into a school and shot some kids, the first thing that goes thru their minds is, "what did I do wrong"
 
HELLOOOO People.the last few shooters have been adults,this is really beginning to annoy me,blaming parents for kids turning out this way. Greg and I attended grad this year in our small town, Not one bad kid amoung the 30 grads. The other day we went to a high school rodeo,NR's son riding broncs,a bunch of great kids doing what they enjoy.Times are different for sure,I wish not one of these young people I know had to live in a world that deranged people are going into schools and shooting innocent children,or having to watch in horror the 911 tragedy,or...You get the point,there are great children being raised,lets quit blaming a handful of crappy parents and come up with a viable solution to keeping these wonderful kids safe.

Yup Mike,a womans mindset,and darned proad of it :wink:
 
Watch Nanny 911 and then lets talk about guns in school! This is the next generation that will be in the school system. If you feel that your child is not safe in school for heaven sake keep them home! I'm a homeschooled kid and I grew up OK. ( well aside from a few run ins with a stair case) Giving teachers guns will not solve anything. It won't protect your kids, it simply gives the students more reason to pack a gun. Well if Mr. So and so has a gun then I should be able to have one too. I mean what if my teacher goes nuts, I'll have to protect myself. Does anyone see where I am going with this???? Just for the record I am not in any way anti -gun. I guess being from Canada we are in a different mind set. I remember having my car die on the I-5 coming home from California. I pulled over to the side of the road and steam was billowing out of that puppy. State patrol pulled up to see if I needed help, I couldnt help but notice he had a gun pointed at my head! That would never happen in Canada.
 
Mrs Greg my post was posted at the same time as your and is in no way meant to be disrespectful! Sorry if it came across that way! I know there are good kids out there. But where i live there are alot of REALLY bad ones to. My bosses kid got his head stomped (yes stomped) at school 3 days ago. Shane is fine but honestly what is going on here. The kid doing the stomping is Known to the police....
 
Mrs. Greg
Do you not think that the way kids are raised has to do with how they turn out as adults? I know that most of the kooks that are out there, most are drug addicts. That's directly related to morals. No the parent's of that person coudlnt be there when, oh say his highschool or college friend said...ya wanna try this (drugs) BUT......if that parent had tought better morals and values as a child......maybe he would have had the good sense to say NO. I realize there's exceptions to everthing.....mental illnesses that has nothin to do with the parents that raised that person. I also realize that the biggest majority of kids are good kids. But just for the sake of this topic.......maybe the kooks are the ones out there that had the crappy parent's you mentioned. THOSE are the ones that this is directed at....the crappy parents that aren't doin their job raisin their kids as they should be.
As for keepin kids safe in schools......I do think most schools do to the best of their ability. The teachers care a great deal about those kids. Youd have to, to get up every mornin and go to work. Do I think teachers should have guns, NO (too much can go wrong to have a gun at school) Do I think schools should be locked down, NO......I'll homeschool my kid before I'd send them somewhere they had to be locked in. Uniforms for kids??? NO that takes away individualism. Safer? Maybe. But not the answer to all this. Do I know the answer? NO but I think alot of good points have been brought up in this discussion.
 
One thing to remember about the 50's-60's-- The familys were there- it was more like the "Leave it to Beaver" type family with Mom at home, Dad working and the kids having supervision before and after school...You don't see that at all now- as in most families both parents have to work- some working 2 jobs- almost takes one job just to provide health care for a family-- many kids hardly ever see their parents anymore...Many a kid I see today, wouldn't even get to school if they didn't get themselves ready- and have no one at home to come home to....

Used to be, before the mobile world came to be, that many families lived next to their extended families also- grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.- all there to help raise the kids and teach them values...Now you have folks moving all around the country much more to follow their avocation and chase the almighty dollar...Some Dads are jumping the plane- commuting to work Monday AM and not showing back up until Friday or Sat...

And thats not counting all the single parent families....

I guess this is progress :???:
 
Yes Lilly it for sure has alot to do with how kids are raised and the morals they are brought up with,but that being said there are WAY more good kids and great parents out there then bad ones.Too many drugs for sure but parents in our area have R.C.M.P coming and doing compulsary inservices for Jr. and Sr. high students,good parents trying there darndest to keep thier kids safe.I also have no die hard ways to keep these kids safe but I want them safe for sure.I also think not one person on here whether they believe in teachers having guns in school or not,is not horrified by the school shootings and are in thier own minds trying to find the best solution. Obviously we have faith in the kids that are being raised now and want them as safe as we possibly can.

Judith...I realised when you posted and heck if we disagree we still respect each others point of view :)
 
With everything else they have to do,you want to arm teachers...If they had the temperment to carry a gun,they'd be police! No,not the answer..As a stopgap,more secerty in schools..Teach kids to tell an adult if they hear anything about plans for a rampage..stress this is not being a nark...Give the kids training on how to react,where to go,how to react when the police get there.. OH,it makes me so mad that we even have to talk about this subject,that it even happens..
 
question.


If you had a child in school and had the choice between two teachers. Both teachers have the same teaching skills, one is a 90 lb woman that is a mild mannered woman and the other teacher was a 150 lb. woman that teaches karate down at the Y in her spare time. Now which do you want teaching your kids if a kook shows up?



TRAINING, TRAINING, TRAINING
 
Forget what the physical appearance is...that has NOTHING to do with the teaching skills of the teacher.

You are judging the book by it's cover!
 
But you're still judging on physical appearances....is this what you want your kids to measure by...physical appearances?
 
you are still diverting from the question.

Me if my kids are at stake I will pick the one that would best protect them from harm. Now do you have the guts to answer the question.

No parent would put their kids in a situation that would raise the risk of being hurt. Not a one if they are a true parent.
 
agreeable said:
question.


If you had a child in school and had the choice between two teachers. Both teachers have the same teaching skills, one is a 90 lb woman that is a mild mannered woman and the other teacher was a 150 lb. woman that teaches karate down at the Y in her spare time. Now which do you want teaching your kids if a kook shows up?



TRAINING, TRAINING, TRAINING
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First, I haven't read through all the posts (stupid internet keeps going down) but my first thought for the above was ... if a kook shows up and I presume he's pointing or at least carrying a gun, I don't think karate is going to be of use.... good way to get shot - yourself or someone else ! Could be that a mild-mannered person might be able to help the situation more so than the other.
 
Okay when I think training, I am thinking being able to talk to the terrorist, assess his intentions, and yes even the 90# teacher can have tactical abilities. But, I want a teacher to be able to figure out how to get our kids out of the situation without them getting harmed. Training, isn't just KARATE, it is being able to handle a situation without panicking. Being able to say okay this is what is going on, and all there is me here...what do I do to get this situation cleared out before someone gets hurt? But, the big thing is training in recognizing that there is a problem before it becomes a threat. So many teachers will not see kids that are in stress, we have one teacher at this school here that has said it ISNT HER JOB, she is there to TEACH...HELLOOOOO...if the student is not learning and there is clear problems, you go to the principle and tell him this student needs assessment and help.

Okay I said I would not say anything else...but, sometimes we don't see the bottom of the lake because of the muck, and we know there is a bottom..just have to bale in.

We all want the samething, to know our kids are going to school to learn and be safe. Homeschooling is not a choice in many of our homes, we have to make a living to provide for our families.

Easty
 
Training in negotiating is training. I used the karate as an example. I could have used negotiating, self defense as per hand to hand combat, restraint, disarming the attackerif the opportunity arises and yes even weapons training.

I could equate the situation whether you are a parent or teacher and were put in a hostage situation. You need as many tools as possible.

If given the opportunity a parent would take an opening if it were a way to save their child. Training would help evaluate the situation and see if there was an opening in the situation. Dittos on a teacher, after all it might save their own life.

How many ways can I say it. TRAINING, TRAINING, TRAINING
Training can be self defense, negotiations, disarming the agressor, firearms, staying calm in a tense situation, first aid, when to do nothing and the list goes on. The more tools you have the greater the chance to come out alive.
 
agreeable said:
Training in negotiating is training. I used the karate as an example. I could have used negotiating, self defense as per hand to hand combat, restraint, disarming the attackerif the opportunity arises and yes even weapons training.

I could equate the situation whether you are a parent or teacher and were put in a hostage situation. You need as many tools as possible.

If given the opportunity a parent would take an opening if it were a way to save their child. Training would help evaluate the situation and see if there was an opening in the situation. Dittos on a teacher, after all it might save their own life.

How many ways can I say it. TRAINING, TRAINING, TRAINING
Training can be self defense, negotiations, disarming the agressor, firearms, staying calm in a tense situation, first aid, when to do nothing and the list goes on. The more tools you have the greater the chance to come out alive.
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If you feel your child is not safe make that enviroment safe.....They are your kids start sitting parents in hallways on volintary basis....let the parents train to defend the schools....Its time all parents chipped in and not just a small numbered few....get some money together train your parental crew and bob's your uncle.......

People complain and expect the goverment to now pay out more money yet they complain about taxes....Many people pay taxes that dont have kids,...why should non parents taxes go up if parents are not willing to help out.....Mrs, Greg was bang on when she said,"only a handful of parents care enough to help out".Well its time all parents of school going children pitch in an fix the problem of school safety.....Pay for security firms to monitor hallways,make school into day time and afternoon time classes.....limit numbers so problems are spotted easier...Stop asking for more goverment money for schools until most parents start caring more....

Mrs, Greg also makes another good piont on there being many good kids out there...Most are in sports and have strong parental support...But no one can stop drugs and alcohol from infiltrating a strong family unit.....as smoking and chewing tabaco can be a test to...As I said earlier parents need to includ themselves more into their childrens lives..If you already do good on you.....

P.S. I said it before and here againn.The people of the 50's raised the children of the 60's and 70's.who raised the kids of the 90's +.....really if the 50's were so good why was there such a rebellion in the 60's youth?
 
kolanuraven said:
Mr Soapweed you just might be right. If it were 1956 we'd not be wasting time here on these computers.

You'd be out working as I should be.

We'd not have half the cures for cancer and the like...thus less population...thus less need for Medicare ( which I know you're getting close to--not a shot but a fact). Why heck, half of the people on this board would not even be alive...be it due to disease, injury or just the lower life expectancey of 1956.

Yeah....let's put our head in the sand like N Korea and shut out the " world"...look how spectacular it's worked for them.
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Here is my post: "The whole problem with today's world is that everything is "justified" because, after all, geezo wheezo, this is 2006. If people still had 1956 values, the world would not be in such a pickle."

Take note of the word "values". This has nothing to do with the modernization and advancement of technology. It has everything to do with things like honesty, integrity, responsibility, and commitment. These "values" to which I refer can occur in any age; they are timeless, but they can easily be lost when peoples' consciences become seared and worthless from lack of use.

Liberals are short on genuine values. That is why you and your Reader 2 buddy missed the whole concept. I congratulate Jersey Lilly on grasping my point.
 

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