What do you think about arming school teachers?

[nonothing]

Mr Soapweed you just might be right. If it were 1956 we'd not be wasting time here on these computers.

You'd be out working as I should be.

We'd not have half the cures for cancer and the like...thus less population...thus less need for Medicare ( which I know you're getting close to--not a shot but a fact). Why heck, half of the people on this board would not even be alive...be it due to disease, injury or just the lower life expectancey of 1956.

Yeah....let's put our head in the sand like N Korea and shut out the " world"...look how spectacular it's worked for them.

Here is my post: "The whole problem with today's world is that everything is "justified" because, after all, geezo wheezo, this is 2006. If people still had 1956 values, the world would not be in such a pickle."

Take note of the word "values". This has nothing to do with the modernization and advancement of technology. It has everything to do with things like honesty, integrity, responsibility, and commitment. These "values" to which I refer can occur in any age; they are timeless, but they can easily be lost when peoples' consciences become seared and worthless from lack of use.

Liberals are short on genuine values. That is why you and your Reader 2 buddy missed the whole concept. I congratulate Jersey Lilly on grasping my point.

I understand the piont you are trying to make Mr soap weed,but who are you to say less people have a moral consciece now then they did in the 50's....the 50's were full of negative social issues,heck it was not till the year1955 that rosa parks did not give up her seat to a white person on the bus....people where just forced to shut up and tow the line....It was a terrible time for many pockets of society during the 50's.....Women were not able to talk about abusive husbands...The only honest people were the ones being held down.....Sure a white man did ok,but are you serious when you say integrity and honesty were at the fore front........People lived in fear inside thier own homes and held secrects that today in many case are law breaking........No one was honest they lived life how others saw them,worried more about what the nieghbor thought than thier own self happiness.

 

[nr]

Mr Soapweed you just might be right. If it were 1956 we'd not be wasting time here on these computers.

You'd be out working as I should be.

We'd not have half the cures for cancer and the like...thus less population...thus less need for Medicare ( which I know you're getting close to--not a shot but a fact). Why heck, half of the people on this board would not even be alive...be it due to disease, injury or just the lower life expectancey of 1956.

Yeah....let's put our head in the sand like N Korea and shut out the " world"...look how spectacular it's worked for them.

Here is my post: "The whole problem with today's world is that everything is "justified" because, after all, geezo wheezo, this is 2006. If people still had 1956 values, the world would not be in such a pickle."

Take note of the word "values". This has nothing to do with the modernization and advancement of technology. It has everything to do with things like honesty, integrity, responsibility, and commitment. These "values" to which I refer can occur in any age; they are timeless, but they can easily be lost when peoples' consciences become seared and worthless from lack of use.

Liberals are short on genuine values. That is why you and your Reader 2 buddy missed the whole concept. I congratulate Jersey Lilly on grasping my point.

I understand the piont you are trying to make Mr soap weed,but who are you to say less people have a moral consciece now then they did in the 50's....the 50's were full of negative social issues,heck it was not till the year1955 that rosa parks did not give up her seat to a white person on the bus....people where just forced to shut up and tow the line....It was a terrible time for many pockets of society during the 50's.....Women were not able to talk about abusive husbands...The only honest people were the ones being held down.....Sure a white man did ok,but are you serious when you say integrity and honesty were at the fore front........People lived in fear inside thier own homes and held secrects that today in many case are law breaking........No one was honest they lived life how others saw them,worried more about what the nieghbor thought than thier own self happiness.

My 2 cents: The Fifties weren't perfect. BUT there was structure which helped define acceptable behavior, moral behavior. Today the TV folk are pushiing their brand of morality which says anything goes, but that is not good for society and especially not good for children. Example from this week:
singer Rod Stewart's life was being shown as such a success. The TV spokesperson said he's had 5 beautiful wives and many children by each and said enthusiastically "what fun it must be to have him for a father" and that
"he loves kids so much" which left any thinking person saying how can
the media promote such a poor example of absentee parenting? Who wants a famous father who doesnt' know what fidelity is, who doesn't come home at night, who you rarely see.
Our current deterioration of the family has definitely been negatively impacted by liberal attitudes which say doing your own thing in life is totally okay.

 

[Red Robin]

Here is my post: "The whole problem with today's world is that everything is "justified" because, after all, geezo wheezo, this is 2006. If people still had 1956 values, the world would not be in such a pickle."

Take note of the word "values". This has nothing to do with the modernization and advancement of technology. It has everything to do with things like honesty, integrity, responsibility, and commitment. These "values" to which I refer can occur in any age; they are timeless, but they can easily be lost when peoples' consciences become seared and worthless from lack of use.

Liberals are short on genuine values. That is why you and your Reader 2 buddy missed the whole concept. I congratulate Jersey Lilly on grasping my point.

I understand the piont you are trying to make Mr soap weed,but who are you to say less people have a moral consciece now then they did in the 50's....the 50's were full of negative social issues,heck it was not till the year1955 that rosa parks did not give up her seat to a white person on the bus....people where just forced to shut up and tow the line....It was a terrible time for many pockets of society during the 50's.....Women were not able to talk about abusive husbands...The only honest people were the ones being held down.....Sure a white man did ok,but are you serious when you say integrity and honesty were at the fore front........People lived in fear inside thier own homes and held secrects that today in many case are law breaking........No one was honest they lived life how others saw them,worried more about what the nieghbor thought than thier own self happiness.

My 2 cents: The Fifties weren't perfect. BUT there was structure which helped define acceptable behavior, moral behavior. Today the TV folk are pushiing their brand of morality which says anything goes, but that is not good for society and especially not good for children. Example from this week:
singer Rod Stewart's life was being shown as such a success. The TV spokesperson said he's had 5 beautiful wives and many children by each and said enthusiastically "what fun it must be to have him for a father" and that
"he loves kids so much" which left any thinking person saying how can
the media promote such a poor example of absentee parenting? Who wants a famous father who doesnt' know what fidelity is, who doesn't come home at night, who you rarely see.
Our current deterioration of the family has definitely been negatively impacted by liberal attitudes which say doing your own thing in life is totally okay.

Good example NR. You are correct.

 

[Anonymous]

Someone move this to the political board where we aren't offensive...or have the right to be offensive I guess. :lol:

That was a very good idea. I might have missed this great subject altogether had I not been searching out some Jawjuh hypocrisies for another thread. :lol:

I don't think arming teachers should be a requirement. Simply because there are just too many liberal kooks among the teaching profession that don't have sense enough to know how or when to use a gun. But it should certainly be an option for those that hold concealed handgun permits. Those people have already been thoroughly vetted and are not a threat to anyone except criminals.

Of course, it would be my preference that there was no such thing as concealed handgun permits and that everyone could carry one whenever they wanted to.

Robert A. Heinlein wrote:

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

Truer words were never spoken. I would support teachers in the district where I pay school taxes being armed, if they choose to be.

 

[Anonymous]

X - do you also believe in group marriages???

:shock: Sorry Sugar, but you're not my type.

I could just as easily have left the Heinlein quote without reference to origin, but that isn't being entirely honest, is it? Just because I credit a quote to the person who said it, doesn't mean that I subcribe to all (or any) of that person's philosophies. Of course, that is only common sense. No wonder that it escapes you. :lol:

 

[Mike]

Teacher Suspended For Toy Gun Used In Play
The Indy Channel ^ | October 12, 2006 | AP


Man Had Prop Gun In Pants Pocket

NAPLES, Fla. -- School officials in Florida are deciding what to with a teacher who allegedly carried a toy gun around school property.

The Golden Gate Middle School teacher was suspended last week and is on administrative leave with pay. The teacher's name has not been released.

The sheriff's office said deputies were called to the school in Collier County, Fla., and found the teacher carrying the small plastic gun with a red tip in the back of his pants, but at no time was anyone in danger. He told deputies he found the toy in a prop box at the school and that it was used for a school play.

Collier County sheriff's spokeswoman Kristin Adams said the teacher did not make any threats to anyone, and no criminal violations were found.

But the school district is conducting its own investigation and will interview teachers, staff and students at the school about the incident. Officials are expected to make a decision soon regarding the teacher's job status.

"In light of what everyone has been hearing about bullying and campus security, it probably makes people a little more nervous," Allun Hamblett, executive director of human resources for the district, told Naples News. "We need to assure parents, teachers and students in the community that our schools are as safe as they can be."

The paper reported that Hamblett said the toy gun strongly resembled a 45 mm gun.

"We need to look at any mitigating factors -- how (the gun) was discovered, when it was discovered, how it was handled," Hamblett said. "Rest assured, we take any threat seriously."

 

[Anonymous]

The paper reported that Hamblett said the toy gun strongly resembled a 45 mm gun.

Now I want to see the teacher that packs a 45 mm in his back pocket- that man could go hunting grizzly bears with a willow switch... :wink: :lol: Reporters :roll:

 

[Mike]

The paper reported that Hamblett said the toy gun strongly resembled a 45 mm gun.

Now I want to see the teacher that packs a 45 mm in his back pocket- that man could go hunting grizzly bears with a willow switch... :wink: :lol: Reporters :roll:

Yea, A 45mm bullet would be almost 2 inches in diameter! :lol:

 

[nr]

The paper reported that Hamblett said the toy gun strongly resembled a 45 mm gun.

Now I want to see the teacher that packs a 45 mm in his back pocket- that man could go hunting grizzly bears with a willow switch... :wink: :lol: Reporters :roll:

Yea, A 45mm bullet would be almost 2 inches in diameter! :lol:

Reminds me of my dad's story when he was about 13 in Indiana he had a gun for shooting rats etc. Their school was putting on a play and as he was the props man and the play script called for a loud bang, he took his gun to school and brought it out during play rehearsal. The teacher was very mild mannered when she saw it, told him they'd set off some caps instead, but she didn't relieve him of his weapon, just told him he could take it home again. The story wouldn't have ended that way today!

 

[CattleArmy]

Ok so 1956 was peachy king however as with all things we can't go back.........to many new obsticals and inventions from that time it's a new era and with it problems that cannot even be compared to the 50's.

 

[Soapweed]

Ok so 1956 was peachy king however as with all things we can't go back.........to many new obsticals and inventions from that time it's a new era and with it problems that cannot even be compared to the 50's.

That is an astute observation.

In your case you couldn't go back to 1956 for sure, because that would make you something like minus seventeen years old. :wink:

 

[MsSage]

Man see what you miss sitting in the middle of a Prison farm with no internet....
I will have to say speaking from being on the front lines. If I was given the choice to carry a handgun I would have. I have had many many hours of training and practice using a gun.
I know many teachers I wouldnt trust with a play gun let alone a real one loaded. But I am sure with training and a change of view point they would be able to handle it as well if not better than I.
Yall can say ohhh we need to go back to the 50's 60's whatever time you feel safe :roll: How many rememeber the 60's? Do you remember the father who everone knew he had a short temper? On friday nights you did not go over to thier house to sleep over cuz your parents did not want you in the middle of what was going to happen behind closed doors? No one did or said anything about the abuse since it was "family matter" you did not get involved in the middle of what happened in a family.
How many of the laws were changed SLOWLY do to those children growing up and saying NO that MUST STOP.
Today you hear about the abuse so you think it is worse than it was "back then"

How many of you know a single mother? When is the last time you invited that child over to do something with your husband? Yes children NEED a male figure in thier lives. We cant change that divorce happens BUT we can come together as a community and make sure the children get all the influence and tools needed to become the adults we need them to be.

STOP the blaming of the parents and start doing something to change things. Or you can sit in your little bubble and fool yourself it has not, nor will it ever touch you......... :roll:
I see too many children getting lost and turning to other children to get what they should be getting from adults then when they get the wrong idea we all point at the parents who have been busting thier BUTTS to put food on the table. Too many dont have family close by or extended family to pitch in and help ...why waste the time and energy blaming them, use that energy to guide the children.
Time has past when you did not have to "help" raise the other children in your neighborhood. Move past the blame game and move on to the real game.....playing with the children. We all feel the effects of children gone bad how about we pull together and feel the effects of neighbor helping neighbor and having children having the help of ALL adults around them.

ps soapweed how old would you have been in '56? Me I would have been -7 LOL

 

[CattleArmy]

Ok so 1956 was peachy king however as with all things we can't go back.........to many new obsticals and inventions from that time it's a new era and with it problems that cannot even be compared to the 50's.

That is an astute observation.

In your case you couldn't go back to 1956 for sure, because that would make you something like minus seventeen years old. :wink:

I just ment the 50's would possibly be different if the people of that time had the obsticals of life that we have. The tecnology that we have. The way that society has slowly embrased the idea of less values and it being ok. It's just such a different time with such different problems.

 

[memanpa]

Ok so 1956 was peachy king however as with all things we can't go back.........to many new obsticals and inventions from that time it's a new era and with it problems that cannot even be compared to the 50's.

That is an astute observation.

In your case you couldn't go back to 1956 for sure, because that would make you something like minus seventeen years old. :wink:

I just ment the 50's would possibly be different if the people of that time had the obsticals of life that we have. The tecnology that we have. The way that society has slowly embrased the idea of less values and it being ok. It's just such a different time with such different problems.

oh ok now i get it those of us theat grew up in the 40's 50's etc etc had no obsticals in life to go thru? :shock: technoligy evaded us!! :shock: and we embraced lesser values? :shock: i think you need to go back and look at some of the hardships we went thru! lessor values?? are you confused or what?

all generations have had different obsticles to face! it is how we handled them that made the difference!!!!!!!!
to set there and cry on your liberal crying towel that YOU have it so tuff is what makes these problems even more pronounced!!

i am not saying growing up in the 40's 50's etc etc was a walk in the park, but what i am saying is when liberalism got its foot in the door and corperal punismnet was taken out of the schools, and dr spock said to spank a kid was tantamount to disaster by warping his/her little mind, that started this downfall that you embrace with more liberal ideas as to how hard you have it!!!!!

 

[CattleArmy]

That is an astute observation.

In your case you couldn't go back to 1956 for sure, because that would make you something like minus seventeen years old. :wink:

I just ment the 50's would possibly be different if the people of that time had the obsticals of life that we have. The tecnology that we have. The way that society has slowly embrased the idea of less values and it being ok. It's just such a different time with such different problems.

oh ok now i get it those of us theat grew up in the 40's 50's etc etc had no obsticals in life to go thru? :shock: technoligy evaded us!! :shock: and we embraced lesser values? :shock: i think you need to go back and look at some of the hardships we went thru! lessor values?? are you confused or what?

all generations have had different obsticles to face! it is how we handled them that made the difference!!!!!!!!
to set there and cry on your liberal crying towel that YOU have it so tuff is what makes these problems even more pronounced!!

i am not saying growing up in the 40's 50's etc etc was a walk in the park, but what i am saying is when liberalism got its foot in the door and corperal punismnet was taken out of the schools, and dr spock said to spank a kid was tantamount to disaster by warping his/her little mind, that started this downfall that you embrace with more liberal ideas as to how hard you have it!!!!!

You just like to argue. I in no way ment to say that the times now are easier then the times then. As one older wise woman told me people that call them the good old days didn't live them.

My idea of the time is that it took more time and work just to keep food on the table and time was not had for the frivilous things and the fact that there wasn't the tecnology. There wasn't the internet for one where bored people could fight with each other and waste time. As there wasn't the time to waste when to feed cows a team of horses had to be hitched up. When there were horses to do all on not the ever so convienant 4 wheeler.

I did not mean that in the 50's values were lesser they were stronger. People got married they didn't live together. Unwed pregnancies were looked down upon not just ok. Seemed neighbors more helped each other then competed with. Seemed the hard work was the focus of putting food on the table not just having more stuff.

Parents could disipline there children as seen fit in the 50's without having to worry about someone accusing them of abuse. There is a difference in spankings and beatings. Some today cannot comprehende that thought.

All I was trying to say is there is more cr@p to deal with in today's modern society. More yuck more issues that would make my grandparents heads spin if they were still alive to see it all. More unbecoming behaviors being looked upon as ok and if not ok more excuses accepted for the behavior.

One last thought I was not crying that I had it so tough. You need to read the response not just look for a reason to attack. I just said there were new obsticals to deal with. Very different ones then the 50's. I think anyone that lived in that era would agree what they delt with and what we do is so different.

 

[Soapweed]

No matter what the era, whether it be the 1950's or now, right is right and wrong is wrong. It was not a perfect world in the 'fifties, and it sure isn't now, but for the most part, honesty and integrity prevailed across more of the nation then than it does now. Deals were done on a handshake, and people lived up to the agreements. Lawyers weren't chasing ambulances, and lawsuits weren't bankrupting the country.

Life didn't have very many electronic conveniences and people weren't as spoiled. The work ethic was more firmly in place. People had more common sense, because they had to have it to survive. Welfare was not available, and people were too proud back then to take charity. Consequently, they worked hard to put beans and biscuits on the table.

It's not that people living in the 1950's didn't have the same sinful inclinations as now, it's just that they were working much harder and had less time to get themselves into trouble. There was more of a stigma to doing wrong back then, so people tried harder to do what was right.

 

[Northern Rancher]

This discussion has WHAT AT ALL to do with ranch management-it is a human nature to look back with fond memories maybe because time heals all wounds-I can't speak for the 50's and was pretty young in the 60's but those decades had their good and bads as much as today. I'm about sick of the whining about how this generation of children of chilkdren are useless,flawed and broken that is unadulterated bulls..t and maybe that's where this diatribe should of been moved.

 

[Soapweed]

This discussion has WHAT AT ALL to do with ranch management-it is a human nature to look back with fond memories maybe because time heals all wounds-I can't speak for the 50's and was pretty young in the 60's but those decades had their good and bads as much as today. I'm about sick of the whining about how this generation of children of chilkdren are useless,flawed and broken that is unadulterated bulls..t and maybe that's where this diatribe should of been moved.

This isn't under "Ranch Talk". What difference does it make in which topic it is posted? It is as appropriate under "Everything Else" as it would be under any other topic. If you don't want to read it, no one is forcing you to do so.

 

[katrina]

What really gripes me is all the pedifiles......... Do you think there was that many in the 50s and 60s as there is now??? Or has broadcasting made it just that more in the news.....
What has made so many if there wasn't????

 

[Anonymous]

What really gripes me is all the pedifiles......... Do you think there was that many in the 50s and 60s as there is now??? Or has broadcasting made it just that more in the news.....
What has made so many if there wasn't????

Altho I think there are more pedophiles now than the 50's/60's- and that part of it was because of the sexual revolution of the 60's/70's- and all the no morals of many movies and TV shows/ publications/ webstuff now-along with a much more mobil, unknown, come and go type population...

But there were peophiles/incest back in the 50's/60's time period...But back then besides the fact there weren't the trained school counselers, social workers, and law enforcement to recognize it- it was also a taboo to talk about...Many abused children were too scared to report it for fear of what might happen to them- or were told by their parents/families to keep quiet especially when it involved a family member or community member...Also many times back then even if it was reported and handled thru the judicial system- the press, which wasn't as ravenous for sensationalist articles, did not report it as much in an attempt to protect the victims rights......