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Private Sector Livestock ID System Pushed

Tulsa World, Okla., August 06, 2005


by Angel Riggs


Aug. 6--OKLAHOMA CITY -- The national program aimed at identifying and tracking livestock could be better run by the private sector than by the government, a spokesman for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association said Friday.



"We thought Animal ID and the creation of the Animal ID system by the USDA was something the USDA could not do as well as we could do," said Jay Truitt, vice president of government affairs for the association, whose state branch is the Oklahoma Cattlemen's Association.

Concerns facing the industry were addressed during the OCA's 53rd annual convention by Truitt along with U.S. Rep. Frank Lucas, R-Okla., and Chuck Lambert, deputy under secretary for marketing and regulatory programs at the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The National Animal Identification Program is aimed at making it possible to track an animal's history within 48 hours by keeping tabs on its travels. Each time an animal goes to a new ranch or sale barn, for example, that property's identification number and the animal's own number would be entered into a national database.

The government is already issuing the property numbers, called premises ID.

The program is voluntary now, but the USDA plans to make it mandatory in 2009.

Truitt said that by privatizing the system, the entire process could be implemented more quickly and for less money. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Congress and the USDA are considering the proposal.

Lucas said he's looking at both sides.

He said private industry may be able to contain costs and respond more quickly to changing circumstances.

In addition, he said, the industry has a track record of compiling information for the government. The OCA maintains the state's brand records, for example. :roll: :roll: :roll:

However, Lucas questioned whether one private group can address all the needs of the various industry groups that will be involved in Animal ID. While cattle are first in line to receive ID numbers, the program will eventually be extended to all livestock, including horses, pigs and sheep.

"The case is out there," Lucas said. "The ball is in the USDA's court."

The national cattle association says it will test its system in October, and that it can have an Animal ID program up and running by January. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

"The USDA is open to discussion of those alternative systems," said Lambert, the USDA official.

Private industry has expressed concerns that information about ranchers' livestock contained in a government database could be made public.

While it's true that a mandatory system would be susceptible to Freedom of Information Act requests, information contained in a voluntary system is not, Lambert said. Exempting data on a mandatory list from FOIA requests would take an act of Congress, he said.

Other issues the group discussed included the status of reopening Japan to meat from the United States. The door to the $1.5 billion beef market has been shut since the United States' first discovery, in late 2003, of a cow with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or mad cow disease. Currently, Australia is filling the void in Japan, Lambert said.

The United States and Japan have agreed to the resumption of U.S. beef shipments from cattle younger than 20 months and are negotiating how to determine the age of cattle. Leaders from both countries are set to meet in September and will discuss BSE, Lambert said.

Also, the country's heightened surveillance for BSE cases will continue for the "foreseeable future, not indefinitely," Lambert said. The country has tested more than 426,000 high-risk cattle since June 2004. he said.

In his remarks, Lucas complimented American consumers for calmly handling this summer's BSE news reports.

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CattleCo said:
Private Sector Livestock ID System Pushed

Tulsa World, Okla., August 06, 2005


by Angel Riggs


Aug. 6--OKLAHOMA CITY -- The national program aimed at identifying and tracking livestock could be better run by the private sector than by the government, a spokesman for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association said Friday.



"We thought Animal ID and the creation of the Animal ID system by the USDA was something the USDA could not do as well as we could do," said Jay Truitt, vice president of government affairs for the association, whose state branch is the Oklahoma Cattlemen's Association.

Concerns facing the industry were addressed during the OCA's 53rd annual convention by Truitt along with U.S. Rep. Frank Lucas, R-Okla., and Chuck Lambert, deputy under secretary for marketing and regulatory programs at the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The National Animal Identification Program is aimed at making it possible to track an animal's history within 48 hours by keeping tabs on its travels. Each time an animal goes to a new ranch or sale barn, for example, that property's identification number and the animal's own number would be entered into a national database.

The government is already issuing the property numbers, called premises ID.

The program is voluntary now, but the USDA plans to make it mandatory in 2009.

Truitt said that by privatizing the system, the entire process could be implemented more quickly and for less money. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Congress and the USDA are considering the proposal.

Lucas said he's looking at both sides.

He said private industry may be able to contain costs and respond more quickly to changing circumstances.

In addition, he said, the industry has a track record of compiling information for the government. The OCA maintains the state's brand records, for example. :roll: :roll: :roll:

However, Lucas questioned whether one private group can address all the needs of the various industry groups that will be involved in Animal ID. While cattle are first in line to receive ID numbers, the program will eventually be extended to all livestock, including horses, pigs and sheep.

"The case is out there," Lucas said. "The ball is in the USDA's court."

The national cattle association says it will test its system in October, and that it can have an Animal ID program up and running by January. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

"The USDA is open to discussion of those alternative systems," said Lambert, the USDA official.

Private industry has expressed concerns that information about ranchers' livestock contained in a government database could be made public.

While it's true that a mandatory system would be susceptible to Freedom of Information Act requests, information contained in a voluntary system is not, Lambert said. Exempting data on a mandatory list from FOIA requests would take an act of Congress, he said.

Other issues the group discussed included the status of reopening Japan to meat from the United States. The door to the $1.5 billion beef market has been shut since the United States' first discovery, in late 2003, of a cow with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or mad cow disease. Currently, Australia is filling the void in Japan, Lambert said.

The United States and Japan have agreed to the resumption of U.S. beef shipments from cattle younger than 20 months and are negotiating how to determine the age of cattle. Leaders from both countries are set to meet in September and will discuss BSE, Lambert said.

Also, the country's heightened surveillance for BSE cases will continue for the "foreseeable future, not indefinitely," Lambert said. The country has tested more than 426,000 high-risk cattle since June 2004. he said.

In his remarks, Lucas complimented American consumers for calmly handling this summer's BSE news reports.

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Cattleco asks "when did NCBA become an authority of data management"?

Cattleco, when did you hear anyone from NCBA claim that they are such an authority? Isn't it reasonable that there are people in private businesses who are, and that NCBA can contract with them for their services?

Further, if you do not like it, do not participate!

NCBA members chose to go this route, and even then it is not likely, nor necessary that all members participate. It surely will serve the needs of some members. If the project is successful, it will show the way for many who choose to participate in ID for their own reasons as well as for the government program, when it come into play, IMO.

MRJ
 

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MRJ,
What I meant was NCBA should stick to promoting Beef and let the Government do the ID thing. As for using their system if it ever gets off the ground ...I WON"T! We are light years away from a mandated individual id deal in this country! I guarantee you when and if a mandated deal is done....the GOV will do the deal...
 

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What I meant was NCBA should stick to promoting Beef and let the Government do the ID thing. As for using their system if it ever gets off the ground ...I WON"T! We are light years away from a mandated individual id deal in this country! I guarantee you when and if a mandated deal is done....the GOV will do the deal...

NCBA works in many areas to improve the cattle business. This is just one more thing the members chose to do, not only to comply with M-ID, but maybe even more importantly for the other opportunities it may provide the members.

MRJ
 

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NCBA works in many areas to improve the cattle business. This is just one more thing the members chose to do, not only to comply with M-ID, but maybe even more importantly for the other opportunities it may provide the members.

MRJ

Question? How did the "members" vote on opening the Canadian border? Did the members "choose" to do this or the organization?
 

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If the NCBA is in charge of tracking cattle you can bet the checkoff will benefit.

There are most likely many transactions not paying the checkoff now but will if the event proposed is implemented.
 

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Wake up folks!!!!!! NCBA wants in the data warehouse business to improve MEMBERSHIP!!!! They are loosing members right and left......NCBA has no business in this area. I hear their is a lot of fighting going on in Denver. DO not be surprised to see a lot of new faces there at both ends of the food chain! :roll:
 

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CattleCo said:
Wake up folks!!!!!! NCBA wants in the data warehouse business to improve MEMBERSHIP!!!! They are loosing members right and left......NCBA has no business in this area. I hear their is a lot of fighting going on in Denver. DO not be surprised to see a lot of new faces there at both ends of the food chain! :roll:


Don't worry CattleCo, the "MNCBA" is going down,I dont believe there is any thing any one could do to save them :wink: .............good luck
 

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Cattleco, when did you hear anyone from NCBA claim that they are such an authority? Isn't it reasonable that there are people in private businesses who are, and that NCBA can contract with them for their services?

Got news for you MRJ....the company NCBA supposedly hired has a very poor completion rate for their projects. When asked this at the NCBA Summer meetings I heard NCBA did not want to hear this dialog.................I know what is happening.....R-Calf members are joining NCBA and will take it over from the inside out!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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MRJ said:
NCBA works in many areas to improve the cattle business. This is just one more thing the members chose to do, not only to comply with M-ID, but maybe even more importantly for the other opportunities it may provide the members.

MRJ

Question? How did the "members" vote on opening the Canadian border? Did the members "choose" to do this or the organization?

{The final decision on that issue was made by phone conferencing with othe state affiliates representing a majority of members and they gave the go-ahead. The 11 points were more closely met than some people would have you believe, as some of the press releases coming out of the mid-year meeting have pointed out. BTW, how has opening that border hurt us?

MRJ}

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MRJ said:
the chief said:
MRJ said:
NCBA works in many areas to improve the cattle business. This is just one more thing the members chose to do, not only to comply with M-ID, but maybe even more importantly for the other opportunities it may provide the members.

MRJ

Question? How did the "members" vote on opening the Canadian border? Did the members "choose" to do this or the organization?

{The final decision on that issue was made by phone conferencing with othe state affiliates representing a majority of members and they gave the go-ahead. The 11 points were more closely met than some people would have you believe, as some of the press releases coming out of the mid-year meeting have pointed out. BTW, how has opening that border hurt us?

MRJ}

MRJ}

MRJ- Is NCBA and their national ID going to represent the sheep, horse, and pork industries too? Everyone forgets that there is more to this mandated national ID then just cows......Are they also going to finance and hire and equip the ID inspectors to do the change of ownership and movement ID inspections? I see where NCBA is already calling on USDA to drop the requirement that the Canadian cattle inspections and seal breaking on cattle coming from Canada be done by USDA vets- claiming there are not enough vets and it is too costly- they want the USDA to hire and train inspectors....

NCBA can sell all the eartags they want- but it won't make it a National ID unless their is an infrastructure in place to facilitate it....
 

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NCBA can sell all the eartags they want- but it won't make it a National ID unless their is an infrastructure in place to facilitate it....

OLDTIMER you hit the nail on the head.....NCBA and who the hell else can have all the data BS they want, they can sell ???tags a month, BUT the livestock markets, VETS, forthcoming inspectors, brand inspectors are NOT Equipped to track the animals. We are years away from Mandated Individual Animal ID! :roll: PLEASE SS do not tell me about your great deal......Your deal is not better than anyone else's. Data management is not rocket science...... :roll:
 

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Cattleco, OT, and reader 2, are all of you very sure that NCBA intends to do the hands-on managing, hiring, etc. that you are criticizing?

Isn't it possible to hire an up-and-running business to do that sort of thing, and in fact "hire" probably isn't even the right term. Bringing together several such business entities and the people (ranchers) who wish to participate probably could work fine. Designing various systems acceptable to the govt and capable of doing the work government requires, as well as what ranchers want and need surely is possible, since some businesses have been providing such services for some time now.

I realize you are having fun telling the world it won't work, is unnecessary, or implying it has to be bad because you believe it will enrich NCBA......however that does not make you right about this project.

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Cattleco, OT, and reader 2, are all of you very sure that NCBA intends to do the hands-on managing, hiring, etc. that you are criticizing?

Isn't it possible to hire an up-and-running business to do that sort of thing, and in fact "hire" probably isn't even the right term. Bringing together several such business entities and the people (ranchers) who wish to participate probably could work fine. Designing various systems acceptable to the govt and capable of doing the work government requires, as well as what ranchers want and need surely is possible, since some businesses have been providing such services for some time now.

I realize you are having fun telling the world it won't work, is unnecessary, or implying it has to be bad because you believe it will enrich NCBA......however that does not make you right about this project.

MRJ

MRJ- Why then do we need NCBA as the middleman? There are already dozens of companies out their offering a tag and a database...Sounds to me like just another scheme to make bucks off the producer...

It will take a government entity (state or federal) to put together a true mandatory ID system which tracks the cattle movement and ownership changes- and enforces it........Like you and ~SH~ have preached for so long- without enforcement its worthless.......

How about the horses, hogs, sheep, and poultry MRJ-- Is NCBA going to handle them or are we going to have another dozen sub and sub-subcontracters out there handling them :???: A dozen different systems- all sucking off the big government teat...
 

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It will take a government entity (state or federal) to put together a true mandatory ID system which tracks the cattle movement and ownership changes- and enforces it........Like you and ~SH~ have preached for so long- without enforcement its worthless.......

Oldtimer you are the man!

How about the horses, hogs, sheep, and poultry MRJ-- Is NCBA going to handle them or are we going to have another dozen sub and sub-subcontracters out there handling them A dozen different systems- all sucking off the big government teat...

Oldtimer you are the man! The AQHA and the Jockey CLub are already fighting over the Equine deal............This whole ID thing has turned into a F.......ing joke! When the Packers say "WE won't kill them until they are group or individual Age and Source verified nothing will happen......As for those premiums....guess what..... you will sell what the packers want to buy or you will eat the critters yourself. We will let Big JohnT make the rules and we will all comply and the Gov will not have spent one dime on individual ID. Producer / Premise Id will be the Government deal and that is as for as they will go with it until we have a major health outbreak..FMD!


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