When is it time for a high school coach to go?

[CattleArmy]

Ok all you sports fans here's my question this is the third year the local high school football team has been horrible. Not for lack of talent but for lack of coaching ability. My question is when is it time for the coach to be replaced? These boys are on their third year of nothing but losing. When is enough enough? They wouldn't be a great team even with a great coach but I'd expect them to at least win around half of their games. At this point we just celebrate when they aren't 45 pointed by the start of the third quarter.

 

[Goodpasture]

first year you don't expect much...he is working with the last coach's team and the change in styles can be difficult.

second year is about the same, but with a year of coaching should be making progress.

third year the Juniors came up under the present coach and the seniors have had two yars of training....they should be winning most of the games.

fourth year is all his. If they don't perform substantially better than the three prior years, time to look for another coach.

 

[Brad S]

I think a good coach can win with inferrior talent, but not vastly inferrior talent. I wouldn't hire a coach that was unworthy of 5 years, but small schools don't always have a long list of applicants.

Gordon/Rushville has a very young assistant named Hutz that would be worth a good look, but I like him where he is incase Stein gets picked up.

 

[jigs]

send me an application....I would LOVE to coach High School ball

 

[katrina]

Gordon-Rushville have a good football team this year.... Will they make playoffs???............ We were ahead of Gothenburg by three touchdowns last night and lost in the fourth quarter...... sure aggervating!!!!


And what about those Cody cowboys!!!! 5 and 1.......

 

[CattleArmy]

The cowboys are having a good year.

However Gordon/Rushville? :???: :???:

They did beat Valentine but didn't they lose to Ainsworth, Imperial.......

 

[CattleArmy]

I think a good coach can win with inferrior talent, but not vastly inferrior talent. I wouldn't hire a coach that was unworthy of 5 years, but small schools don't always have a long list of applicants.

Gordon/Rushville has a very young assistant named Hutz that would be worth a good look, but I like him where he is incase Stein gets picked up.

Mike Brown is a talented coach in the Sandhills area. He's been around a long time earning respect from players.

 

[Brad S]

Gordon/Rushville is 4 and 2 and should make the playoffs. They started slowly, thus losing their first game of the year @ ainsworth. Stein uses a spread offense that was pretty raw at the beginning of the season (penalties killed them), but by playoffs will be solid. GR lost deep in the playoffs last year to Valentine so this is a rebuilding year for both schools - GR is a work in progress. I give Stein credit for making the most of his talent. In small school ball like Gordon Rushville sometimes you must make a silk purse out of sows ears.


THis Nebraska football stuff is alot like Texas - the feedstore authorities have it all figured out. Football is pretty important stuff arround here.

 

[Northern Rancher]

A parent blaming the coach-why that's unheard of in hockey lol. I'm sure he'd be more than happy for some of the parental experts to put in the time and help out. It's easy to outcoach the other teams but harder to get by the kitchen table.

 

[Brad S]

"It's easy to outcoach the other teams but harder to get by the kitchen table."


Truth in spades, NR! I coached Nebraska T ball, girls softball & boys baseball (this summer). I can deal with about any kid's issue, but some of the parents chaff my backside. I like the importance Nebraskans put on sports, but there is a down side.

 

[nonothing]

A parent blaming the coach-why that's unheard of in hockey lol. I'm sure he'd be more than happy for some of the parental experts to put in the time and help out. It's easy to outcoach the other teams but harder to get by the kitchen table.

Like you NR I have coach high level hockey for years(bantam and midget "AAA") during my 18 years of coaching I lost some big games and won some big games.I found that coaching high level hockey in Canada required two coaching hats....The one the team saw and the one the parents saw...In minor hockey I always felt each kid deserved his share of ice time..I would when leading play the lower teared guys and the higher ones when I needed to score....I believe every parent has the right to critize my work,I welcomed all confrontations.In most cases,they too just want thier son's to win or be the best they can...It was my job to ready my team to compete in every game..Was I ever out coach,I am sure I was,but more times I was out refereed...lol ..As far as how long a coach should stay is a tough one...Are the kids having fun,Is he a good role model and is he finding every once of football talent in each kid...If he is not then call in jigs,he seems to have insperation to coach,and that is the most important tool that any coach could bring to the table....Plus I think he knows a thing or two about the game...It never hurts to start a fire under a coaches butt either,pressure him a little and see if it helps...

 

[katrina]

Mullen comes to Cody next week....... Mullen is 6 and 0..... Should be a good game. I think my nephew qbs for mullen.....Would be fun to go and watch....

 

[Northern Rancher]

Out of the hundreds of parent conversations I've had over the years there haven't been many that had anything to do with making the team better.I tell most of them your a parent not an agent. That being said there are far more great supportive parents that far outweigh the bad ones. We played our first exhibition game last night and won 7-3-our rookies really played well and adjusted to the systems we play quite well. Our town was lucky enough to have an excellent young hockey coach move here last year so I moved to assistant coach and he took over head coaching-win or lose were going to have a great year. Teams that have lost together are hard to beat when they turn the corner and start to win. Were on the ice again at home in a few hours and I can't wait-the boys even took their 10:00 P:M curfew in stride.

 

[PPRM]

I'd say there is more to evaluating a youth coach tha wins and losses....Are the kids having fun? Are they learning the value of hard work, preparation and teamwork? Sadly, sometimes a win-loss record is a reflection of that.

I have lived oin small towns all my life. I have heard how some towns have this advantage or that advantage, but amazingly, thse advantages ALL disapear when the Head coach of 30 years leaves........A great Coach is a rare gem. I think the one thing most share is they Love the Kids and want to see the Kids develop...

Locally, we have had some great coaches come and go. The first thingi tend to see in the next coach is how many turnovers start occuring, Seemingly, most of our great football coches Preach taking care of the Ball...Jimmy Johnson kinda deal,

And, hats off to all the coaches and parent volunteers who give thier time. It is money well invested, though you may never fully see all the rewards,

PPRM

 

[JF Ranch]

Win or lose, if a sport is not fun for a kid, is it worthwhile? Unfortunately having fun tends to go hand in hand with winning. I believe however that a good coach can keep it fun, even if a team's record is poor. I also think that the true measure of a coach is if he can get kids to excell and to get them to reach their potential. Some seem to get them to perform above their abilities.

Parents actually have little to do with whether a coach is hired or fired. We have made an attempt to get a coach replaced and I have found that the beauracracy is very frustrating and perhaps beyond what even a group of parents can overcome.

This fall we viewed an interesting video of a talk given to a group of parents. I cannot remember the name of the speaker but he touched on many excellent points concerning a parents role in athletics. Most parents are much too involved in these activities while their kids tend to resent that involvement. He said in 30 years of coaching, dealing with kids and asking them why they like a certain sport, the answer is always the same: because it is fun!

One of the important points I took from this video is that a parent can "release their kid to the sport." Athletics is perhaps the only area in a parent/child relationship, where a parent can totally release the child to his or her own successes and failures. You wouldn't drop off your son or daughter off at a theater without a thought to whatever movie happens to be showing, nor would you allow them to do whatever they might be tempted to do with the dangers of sex, drugs and alcohol these days. But you can with sports!

Once the parent is assured that the coaching atmosphere is healthy and safe, the kid can be "released" to the sport. Any success or failure becomes wholely the child's. The parent can "listen" and suggest ways to deal with various problems, but otherwise it should be left to the child.

I thought this was very interesting and thought provoking.

 

[CattleArmy]

A parent blaming the coach-why that's unheard of in hockey lol. I'm sure he'd be more than happy for some of the parental experts to put in the time and help out. It's easy to outcoach the other teams but harder to get by the kitchen table.

Just to clarify I'm not a parent. Actually some of the players older siblings that are now married would love to help out. I don't know a lot about football and am pretty sure I could do as much with the team as he is I mean losing is the easy part. I however would realize something was wrong and would look for outside help to try and help the team be successful.

The boys on this team are on their third year of losing how much fun is that? It would be different if there was no talent no hope and no chance but this is a team that should be winning some games.