HAY MAKER said:When will the AMI allow the USDA to do 100% testing,its just a matter of time till the American consumer realizes,the beef they are eating is not good enough for the Japanese............good luck
Hanta Yo said:HAY MAKER said:When will the AMI allow the USDA to do 100% testing,its just a matter of time till the American consumer realizes,the beef they are eating is not good enough for the Japanese............good luck
Just curious, who gets to pay for the tests?
rkaiser said:I'll choose #3
When Cargill and Tyson decide.
Sandhusker all we have heard on here is how the packers are money greedy crooks so just how many of those companies do you think will be willing to EAT THE COST OF TESTING when they have two options to recoop the cost. First being, trying to recoop the cost by passing it on BUT they take the chance of loosing customers to a cheaper protein and the other is to PASS IT BACK and that means PAYING LESS FOR CATTLE. Would your bank just eat a bad loan or would they try recoop the loses by the least business damaging means possible? And BSE Tested BEEF would not be an EXTRA, it would be EXSPECTED at the cost of somebody THE PRODUCER. Because any beef not labeled BSE tested would be seen as unsafe beef even though the test means nothing on younger cattle and those not within weeks of showing symtoms.Sandhusker said:Hanta Yo said:HAY MAKER said:When will the AMI allow the USDA to do 100% testing,its just a matter of time till the American consumer realizes,the beef they are eating is not good enough for the Japanese............good luck
Just curious, who gets to pay for the tests?
Common business practices would dicate the customer would pay for the tests unless the company felt justified in eating the costs for whatever reason. Tested beef would be an "extra", and not a requirement for anybody - something you could take or leave.
Tell us Haymaker how long will it take for the US consumer to start demanding all US beef be tested if the USDA allows 100% testing for market access? Sandhusker seems to think the BSE TESTED label would be only seen in Japan as it is the Japanese consumers that are asking for it, even if it doesn't mean BSE FREE like they ASSUME.its just a matter of time till the American consumer realizes,the beef they are eating is not good enough for the Japanese............
it is my business if the person giving the customer what he wants, expects me to pay for it out of the price I get for my cattle?Let me throw something else at you; If somebody wants tested beef and somebody is prepared to give it to them, who are you to stand in the way? Is it really any of your business?
...............its just a matter of time till the American consumer realizes,the beef they are eating is not good enough for the Japanese............
Tell us Haymaker how long will it take for the US consumer to start demanding all US beef be tested if the USDA allows 100% testing for market access? Sandhusker seems to think the BSE TESTED label would be only seen in Japan as it is the Japanese consumers that are asking for it, even if it doesn't mean BSE FREE like they ASSUME.
More examples are out there, Tam. There are several countries who will not accept poultry products if it originates from certain states. When do you think the US consumer realizes the chicken they are eating is not good enough for others....
How do you know what the US consumers level of knowledge is on the USDA INSPECTED LABEL or IMPORTED BEEF ISSUE ? DO you have a credible study or are you assuming they know nothing? How do you know what they are assuming and what they know? Again do you have a credible studing to back up your ASSUMPTION on what the US consumer knows or are you assuming they don't know what that label means as they don't know you import beef? Who's job is it to decide what is acceptable for US consumers YOU OR THE USDA? And my final shot why is it the only R-CALFERS can assume with out proof but all others are to bring the facts and documented proof to prove their assumptions.One final shot - how do you know what the Japanese consumers level of knowledge is? How do you know what they are assuming and what they know? Who's job is it to decide what is acceptable for Japanese consumers, you or them?
I was sewing this afternoon Sandhusker and I will answer you on MY TIME Not yours OK. As I doubt you will look it up yourself. :wink:Sandhusker said:Tam, since you've had all day to answer this question but have chosen to ignore it, I'll file it under "closed cases". :wink:
cowsense said:Sandhusker: Organic production while becoming more mainstream is still a niche marketing program as in volume comparisons to base commodity production. Increase production too much and the price premiums will rapidly erode leaving the producer with the extra cost of production. There is only a certain percentage of the consuming public that is willing or able to pay a premium for such production. My biggest gripe against organic production (and yes you can extend it to BSE tested meat) is that it specifically infers that it is a safer, more nutritious product than the the regular commodity product; a claim that often is without any scientific basis or fact!
Big Muddy rancher said:Sandhusker Would help you wait if you knew that Tam lives 100 miles from a grocery store that might have "Organic" beef. The stores in Canada and the US that are closer wouldn't carry it.
Organic has not been marketed as "commodity " beef until recently. It was in a "Specialty class that mostly was farmgate marketed because it does cost more to produce " Hormone free" if their is such a thing or "Organic".
Sandhusker said:cowsense said:Sandhusker: Organic production while becoming more mainstream is still a niche marketing program as in volume comparisons to base commodity production. Increase production too much and the price premiums will rapidly erode leaving the producer with the extra cost of production. There is only a certain percentage of the consuming public that is willing or able to pay a premium for such production. My biggest gripe against organic production (and yes you can extend it to BSE tested meat) is that it specifically infers that it is a safer, more nutritious product than the the regular commodity product; a claim that often is without any scientific basis or fact!
There are a lot of inferences in a lot of products. As long as nobody is getting hurt and no product is being mis-represented, I think government needs to step aside and let a producer meets a consumer's wants. Do we need/want big brother to regulate our shopping so everything we buy is based on science? That would sure take a lot of products off the store shelves.
Tams and my disagreement was on who would pay for the tested beef. I think the obvious parallel is organic beef where the consumer pays a higher price (don't bother going to the store, Tam, you know I'm right) for the specialty product. I don't see why tested beef would be any different.
Big Muddy rancher said:Sandhusker said:cowsense said:Sandhusker: Organic production while becoming more mainstream is still a niche marketing program as in volume comparisons to base commodity production. Increase production too much and the price premiums will rapidly erode leaving the producer with the extra cost of production. There is only a certain percentage of the consuming public that is willing or able to pay a premium for such production. My biggest gripe against organic production (and yes you can extend it to BSE tested meat) is that it specifically infers that it is a safer, more nutritious product than the the regular commodity product; a claim that often is without any scientific basis or fact!
There are a lot of inferences in a lot of products. As long as nobody is getting hurt and no product is being mis-represented, I think government needs to step aside and let a producer meets a consumer's wants. Do we need/want big brother to regulate our shopping so everything we buy is based on science? That would sure take a lot of products off the store shelves.
Tams and my disagreement was on who would pay for the tested beef. I think the obvious parallel is organic beef where the consumer pays a higher price (don't bother going to the store, Tam, you know I'm right) for the specialty product. I don't see why tested beef would be any different.
Sandhusker does it cost more to produce Organic beef?