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[Anonymous]

Hayseed: "when are we gonna see diminished consumer demand?"

We have already seen declining consumer demand. Boxed beef prices are not what they were. Consumer spending on beef has declined due in part to a decrease in discretionary spending due in part to higher fuel prices.

This decline in beef demand is not because of anything R-CULT has said because the media doesn't see R-CULT as a credible source of information on BSE. If they did, they would repeat R-CULT's concerns about the safety of Canadian beef due to Canada having BSE in their domestic herd now that we have a domestic case of BSE in your backyard.

I thought R-CALF said BSE was a Canadian problem Hayseed?

You might want to have someone explain to you what I just wrote.

Hayseed: "I know that consumers believe R CALF is working hard to insure the safety of the cattle industry in the USA and Canada,this can only instill confidence in the consumer.."

Most consumers have never heard of R-CULT! How is R-CULT working hard to insure the safety of the cattle industry by claiming their beef poses a "high risk"? How will that instill confidence in the consumer? Explain how R-CULT claiming Canadian beef is a "high risk" instills consumer confidence in their product!

I'm not surprised that statement came from you!



~SH~

 

[Bill]

All this posting ,and the fear mongering packer lovers still cant answer a simple question"when are we gonna see diminished consumer demand?" none of this you just wait till................ and I can see it now............... and when etc etc,answer the question,because I know that consumers believe R CALF is working hard to insure the safety of the cattle industry in the USA and Canada,this can only instill confidence in the consumer...............good luck

After the hearings in July I wonder if Oprah and others will doing features on "Mad cows causing Mad people". Think that will affect beef consumption Haymaker? 'Ol Mike Moore at the R-Calf office doors asking about Leo's past statements should even strike fear into someone as cork-sure as you. Get Hollywood and a few stars looking for a cause involved in this and it will grow legs real quick. Let's hope it doesn't.

They're lying? Prove them wrong. Just what is the incidence of BSE in the Canadian herd?

Sandhusker and the other R-Calfers might be able to explain why US beef is now diseased, tainted and a huge risk to human health. The shows won't give much concern to what the incidence of BSE is in Canada. Why should they when it's in their own backyard.

 

[S.S.A.P.]

Haymaker wrote:

R CALF is working hard to insure the safety of the cattle industry in the USA and Canada,this can only instill confidence in the consumer...............

Haymaker that is the p!$$iest statement you have ever typed - and speaking for myself ... kindly leave the word ''Canada'' out of what R-calf works for. Nothing can be further from the truth!!! Not sure who's chain you're trying to yank (excuse the pun)

 

[HAY MAKER]

Haymaker wrote:

R CALF is working hard to insure the safety of the cattle industry in the USA and Canada,this can only instill confidence in the consumer...............

Haymaker that is the p!$$iest statement you have ever typed - and speaking for myself ... kindly leave the word ''Canada'' out of what R-calf works for. Nothing can be further from the truth!!! Not sure who's chain you're trying to yank (excuse the pun)

ssap,You like to claim there is only one north american cattle herd,well get used to the fact R CALF is insuring the safety of the cattle industry,so consumer confidence will remain stable ..............good luck PS accept the fact R CALF is working on your behalf.ILL give you a clue look at the horizon.

 

[agman]

Frenchie, "Sandman... how do you tell people Canadas beef is bad , and U.S beef is okay. When you have B.S.E in both contries.yOU CAN,T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS."

When R-CALF made that comment, BSE had yet to be found in the US native herd.

They made an absolute fool of themselves when they held their press conference to announce their "not any beef, buy U.S. A. beef logo". Their comments will likely end up in Ripley's Believe It or Not.

 

[S.S.A.P.]

Haymaker wrote:

R CALF is working hard to insure the safety of the cattle industry in the USA and Canada,this can only instill confidence in the consumer...............

Haymaker that is the p!$$iest statement you have ever typed - and speaking for myself ... kindly leave the word ''Canada'' out of what R-calf works for. Nothing can be further from the truth!!! Not sure who's chain you're trying to yank (excuse the pun)

ssap,You like to claim there is only one north american cattle herd,well get used to the fact R CALF is insuring the safety of the cattle industry,so consumer confidence will remain stable ..............good luck PS accept the fact R CALF is working on your behalf.ILL give you a clue look at the horizon.

Specifically, what has r-calf done on my (a Canadian producer) behalf??

BTW - when I look on the horizon I see "our calves" and nothing but great Canadian grass, which is what DOES work for me.[/b]

 

[Tam]

Haymaker wrote:

R CALF is working hard to insure the safety of the cattle industry in the USA and Canada,this can only instill confidence in the consumer...............

Haymaker that is the p!$$iest statement you have ever typed - and speaking for myself ... kindly leave the word ''Canada'' out of what R-calf works for. Nothing can be further from the truth!!! Not sure who's chain you're trying to yank (excuse the pun)

ssap,You like to claim there is only one north american cattle herd,well get used to the fact R CALF is insuring the safety of the cattle industry,so consumer confidence will remain stable ..............good luck PS accept the fact R CALF is working on your behalf.ILL give you a clue look at the horizon.

Haymaker is that why Leo and Bill and Shae were on TV talking about the misconseption of a North American industry and it not being so as there is three distinctly different industries in North American and they are out to protect the US INDUSTRY. I think you my good man have been out in the hot sun way to long if you think R-CALF is protecting the North American Beef Industry as how can they protect something that doesn't exsist in their eyes? :roll: :roll: :?

 

[HAY MAKER]

Miss Tam ,my point exactly you cant have it both ways ,either the herd is one and you are reaping the benefits of R CALF,or they are seperate,which is it?

SSAP,A pretty woman like yourself has got to have more kids than cattle,IM sure you have had to give a few of em medicine,and IM sure they fought not to take it,same principle applys here,after BSE it will be obvious R CALF has been working hard for the canadian cattle man..........good luck

 

[S.S.A.P.]

Miss Tam ,my point exactly you cant have it both ways ,either the herd is one and you are reaping the benefits of R CALF,or they are seperate,which is it?

SSAP,A pretty woman like yourself has got to have more kids than cattle,IM sure you have had to give a few of em medicine,and IM sure they fought not to take it,same principle applys here,after BSE it will be obvious R CALF has been working hard for the canadian cattle man..........good luck

Specifically, what has r-calf done on my (a Canadian producer) behalf Haymaker ??

 

[HAY MAKER]

Miss Tam ,my point exactly you cant have it both ways ,either the herd is one and you are reaping the benefits of R CALF,or they are seperate,which is it?

SSAP,A pretty woman like yourself has got to have more kids than cattle,IM sure you have had to give a few of em medicine,and IM sure they fought not to take it,same principle applys here,after BSE it will be obvious R CALF has been working hard for the canadian cattle man..........good luck

Specifically, what has r-calf done on my (a Canadian producer) behalf Haymaker ??

Answer my question is the herd "one" or are they seperate?..............good luck PS You think about this while IM at lunch and dont wait for Miss Tam to PM you ,if you put her brain in a mocking bird it would fly backwards.

 

[Tam]

Miss Tam ,my point exactly you cant have it both ways ,either the herd is one and you are reaping the benefits of R CALF,or they are seperate,which is it?

SSAP,A pretty woman like yourself has got to have more kids than cattle,IM sure you have had to give a few of em medicine,and IM sure they fought not to take it,same principle applys here,after BSE it will be obvious R CALF has been working hard for the canadian cattle man..........good luck

So Haymaker explain to us all how R-CALF's claiming Canadian firewalls are inadaquate and our beef is a genuine risk of death is helpping build confidence in our part of the North American industry and how those same statements even help the US side of the industy when you my friend have BSE and weaker firewalls and standards than we do and R-CALF has also been up on their soap box spouting that fact to the media hand in hand with ANTI BEEF GROUPS. How can their statements about the safety of our beef and the weakness of your firewalls not come back and bite you in your rosey red cheeks? :nod: . R-CALF is helpping no one with their rhetoric and it is about time you face it. If you really want to help the North American Beef industry this is what you should do :gag: LEO and Bill while you are at it :lol:
Tell me Haymaker Shae Dobson asked Leo on TV one night about him retiring and Leo said that he was going to retire from R-CALF a few times but there was always an issue come up to keep him there. What issue came up in the US beef industry that was more important than BSE that he stayed to deal with then when he is leaving now that BSE is in the US? :? Does he not think the US beef industry needs his wisdom to get through this crisis or has he faced the facts that he is just going to be in the way because of all the statement he made on behalf of R-CALF?

 

[Tommy]

agman...They made an absolute fool of themselves when they held their press conference to announce their "not any beef, buy U.S. A. beef logo".

Get it right agman, that is not the logo. Or do words not mean anything to you? The logo is " Not Just Any Beef, USA-RAISED BEEF, Ask for It".

 

[Northern Rancher]

Haymaker you sanctamonias bag of wind-how any r-calfer claim to have Canada's interests at heart. Your starting to remind of computers-you need some information punched in. Bottom line you lied-you are gonna lose-now be a man about it and shut up. I for one have about had it with your condescending b.s. towards some canadian lady ranchers who've forgot more about the cattle business than you'll ever know. You better find a cave to hide in because in the very near future you r-calfer's are gonna be as popular as Ku Klux Klan member at a NBA game.

 

[Tam]

agman...They made an absolute fool of themselves when they held their press conference to announce their "not any beef, buy U.S. A. beef logo".

Get it right agman, that is not the logo. Or do words not mean anything to you? The logo is " Not Just Any Beef, USA-RAISED BEEF, Ask for It".

Just how much confidence will be in that label now that the US has BSE and R-CALF has told everyone that will listen that Beef from a country that is affected by BSE is ALL TAINTED and a GENUINE RISK OF DEATH TO CONSUMERS. I have to wonder if the logo will have the same affect as it did three weeks ago.

 

[S.S.A.P.]

Lets see ... to recap our exchange

Haymaker wrote:

All this posting ,and the fear mongering packer lovers still cant answer a simple question"when are we gonna see diminished consumer demand?" none of this you just wait till................ and I can see it now............... and when etc etc,answer the question,because I know that consumers believe R CALF is working hard to insure the safety of the cattle industry in the USA and Canada,this can only instill confidence in the consumer...............good luck

To which I responded:

Haymaker that is the p!$$iest statement you have ever typed - and speaking for myself ... kindly leave the word ''Canada'' out of what R-calf works for. Nothing can be further from the truth!!! Not sure who's chain you're trying to yank (excuse the pun)

To which Haymaker responded with:

ssap,You like to claim there is only one north american cattle herd,well get used to the fact R CALF is insuring the safety of the cattle industry,so consumer confidence will remain stable ..............good luck PS accept the fact R CALF is working on your behalf.ILL give you a clue look at the horizon.

Then I:

Specifically, what has r-calf done on my (a Canadian producer) behalf??

BTW - when I look on the horizon I see "our calves" and nothing but great Canadian grass, which is what DOES work for me

Then Haymaker:

SSAP,A pretty woman like yourself has got to have more kids than cattle,IM sure you have had to give a few of em medicine,and IM sure they fought not to take it,same principle applys here,after BSE it will be obvious R CALF has been working hard for the canadian cattle man..........good luck

Then I:

Specifically, what has r-calf done on my (a Canadian producer) behalf Haymaker ??

And finally Haymaker again:

Answer my question is the herd "one" or are they seperate?..............good luck PS You think about this while IM at lunch and dont wait for Miss Tam to PM you ,if you put her brain in a mocking bird it would fly backwards.

I believe I first stated to leave Canada out of what r-calf is working for - then you turn around and "presume" (falsely state something I never made any reference to) that : (to quote haymaker here) "ssap,You like to claim there is only one north american cattle herd" .... where did that come from?

I will answer your question when you answer mine - look above, I asked first (hint: ??)

Specifically, what has r-calf done on my (a Canadian producer) behalf Haymaker ?? (That's the third time I've asked, by the way.)

 

[HAY MAKER]

OK OK<so you can cut paste and quote,are you saying the Canadian and US herd are one and the same or not?.............good luck,just a simple yes or no if you please.

 

[HAY MAKER]

I was watching a lil RFD TV at lunch ,and I sure did'nt see any reduced demand that som e of these folks keep hollering is inevitable,as a matter of fact is that is reduced demand ILL take it every time and I truly believe R CALF is partly responsible for this demand ...............good luck

 

[Tommy]

Tam... I have to wonder if the logo will have the same affect as it did three weeks ago.

You also have been telling us that R-CALF is destroying consumer confidence in beef. According to Jim McAdams, NCBA president, it is 92% right now. I doubt it will ever get much higher than that.
When will all this destroying start Tam?

 

[HAY MAKER]

Haymaker you sanctamonias bag of wind-how any r-calfer claim to have Canada's interests at heart. Your starting to remind of computers-you need some information punched in. Bottom line you lied-you are gonna lose-now be a man about it and shut up. I for one have about had it with your condescending b.s. towards some canadian lady ranchers who've forgot more about the cattle business than you'll ever know. You better find a cave to hide in because in the very near future you r-calfer's are gonna be as popular as Ku Klux Klan member at a NBA game.

Careful boy,no need to get rude,the fact of the matter is R CALF has done more for the Canadian rancher in the last few years than all of your other "ORGS" combined,you need to quit thinking with your wallet and face the facts............good luck

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Haymaker you sanctamonias bag of wind-how any r-calfer claim to have Canada's interests at heart. Your starting to remind of computers-you need some information punched in. Bottom line you lied-you are gonna lose-now be a man about it and shut up. I for one have about had it with your condescending b.s. towards some canadian lady ranchers who've forgot more about the cattle business than you'll ever know. You better find a cave to hide in because in the very near future you r-calfer's are gonna be as popular as Ku Klux Klan member at a NBA game.

Careful boy,no need to get rude,the fact of the matter is R CALF has done more for the Canadian rancher in the last few years than all of your other "ORGS" combined,you need to quit thinking with your wallet and face the facts............good luck

OK Haymaker name one thing that R-CALF has done for the Canadian producer?