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Where's the Outrage?

Mike

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USDA:
"This inconclusive result does not mean we have found a new case of BSE. Inconclusive results are a normal component of
most screening tests, which are designed to be extremely
sensitive so they will detect any sample that could possibly
be positive.

And in response to the Creekstone petition, they say that the very same test is not designed for "Younger" animals under 30 months. They go on to say that BSE tested doesn't necessarily mean that it's BSE FREE, but out of the other side of their mouth say...the tests; "WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO BE EXTREMELY SENSITIVE SO THAT THEY WILL DETECT ANY SAMPLE THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE POSITIVE"?

Hundreds and hundreds of "Under 30 Month" cattle have tested positive throughout the world.

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
 
mike writes;

> WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?


there's a few of us outraged, there just is not enough body bags.
in my opinion, this is why the science has been so slow coming along
with the funds, and why we still do not have cjd reportable in many states, and in some that it is documented, there is an age bracket for reporting, like in some it's under 55 and such. regardless whether it's nvCJD i.e. ukbsenvCJD only, or friendly fire from that and from other strains from other species. we know sCJD transmits via surgery, so why would this not be reportable. do elderly victims harbouring subclinical CJD/TSE not get operated on? this age limit thing is wrong. and the potential for an alzheimer's link is real, just not proven yet, and in my opinion, why there is not much research to that potential link. i will never forget this statement and this was in 1989;


3. Prof. A. Robertson gave a brief account of BSE. The US approach
was to accord it a _very low profile indeed_. Dr. A Thiermann showed
the picture in the ''Independent'' with cattle being incinerated and thought
this was a fanatical incident to be _avoided_ in the US _at all costs_...

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11b/tab01.pdf



and it's been nothing more than a PR plow and race to keep it off radar ever since. out of sight out of mind. they kept gambling with the incubation period and not figuring different strains mutating and the past catching up with them. ...


terry
 
Terry, although the body bags are scary, I am worried about our way of life if the cattle market tanks here in the U.S. like it did in the UK. I don't think we will ever see the epidemic of BSE here like they did over there, nor the vCJD, but many people have their whole life invested in this business. It was said that BSE caused many cattlemen in Canada to choose suicide. The results are still the same.

You are on a mission that differs from ours, just be on notice of it and please choose your words accordingly. Thanks
 
Mike said:
Terry, although the body bags are scary, I am worried about our way of life if the cattle market tanks here in the U.S. like it did in the UK. I don't think we will ever see the epidemic of BSE here like they did over there, nor the vCJD, but many people have their whole life invested in this business. It was said that BSE caused many cattlemen in Canada to choose suicide. The results are still the same.

You are on a mission that differs from ours, just be on notice of it and please choose your words accordingly. Thanks

This is why bse testing on the private level would help a lot. Even if BSE were more prevalant in the U.S., I would still want to find bse free beef to eat. I eat chicken, sure, but I sure do not want to substitute my beef for chicken. Chicken has its own problems. These are the reasons these things should be taken seriously. It will have a huge impact on our food industries. These issues need to be addressed responsibly and the kind of policies that come out of the USDA seem to be policies that sweep things under the rug instead of correcting problems.

The transmission of bse has been primarily through feed. It is not hard to stop that transmission route. What is hard is trusting the USDA to be able to stop it. They want to track cattle and leave poultry feed loopholes intact. They need to stop catering to Tyson's bottom line and start doing their stated jobs. I am so tired of hearing how "safe" our food is when those in the know can see and point out the obvious shortcomings in their policies. They need to escort all of Tyson's lobbiests off the hill or record every minute they are lobbying and with whom. It would be very interesting to see that log.
 
Mike, if you recall, I mentioned that I sat across the table from Dr. Bob Church, in Edmonton a few years ago, when he made a comment regarding our test and that comments was - quote:

"There is no way the Alberta or Federal Government will sanction this test to do wholesale testing but if Cargill and Tyson take it on, then we will revisit this issue."

What does that tell you???? Talk about plain English Mike!!
 
Mike wrote:

Terry, although the body bags are scary, I am worried about our way of life if the cattle market tanks here in the U.S. like it did in the UK. I don't think we will ever see the epidemic of BSE here like they did over there, nor the vCJD, but many people have their whole life invested in this business. It was said that BSE caused many cattlemen in Canada to choose suicide. The results are still the same.

The UK Mike is an extreme example of how the situation got out of control very easily and very quickly. First of all, the UK Government had no idea what they were dealing with. They continued their overseas shipments even though the scientists there warned them to stop. They continued the shipments of offal and other by-products throughout Europe for many months after the flag went up all because the advisory committees that were appointed were made up of those groups that had the most to lose if the shipments stopped!!! Subesequently Mike, the situation turned into a domino effect of biblical proportions. 185,000 animals destroyed and God knows how many human lives placed at risk and the only way we will know how many will be when the ticking clock hits the alarm in how many decades from now when we see clusters of vCJD hitting the UK and parts of Europe from so many directions at once, in numbers that will stagger the mind.

My position is clear on testing Mike, as you know. Not just because I own a test, but because I believe that 100% testing of the national herd prior to shipping the product into the human food chain is the only way to maintain a strong and effective "Risk Management Program," that ensures the produc is safe. I firmly believe that anyone who states that any test has some sort of attachment to it that reads, "jsut because it is BSE Tested doesn't mean it is BSE Free," is farting into the wind on all eight cylinders. If a BSE test is is capable of detecting PrPsc in an animal, regardless of its age or whether it is displaying clinical symptoms or is still in the sub-clinical stage, then it is absolutely correct to either certify that animal as having BSE. Of course, if there is no evidence of PrPsc in the animal then it is equally ok to certify that animal as being free of BSE. There should not be any middle ground and only a Test that has been proven and validated will allow for such claims to be upheld.

What the heck does it mean to say that it is BSE tested and yet it is not necessarily BSE Free??? What kind of test is that?? It is the same as telling a woman that she is only a little bit pregnant and that a good cough and two Aspirins will make it go away - maybe!!!!

The product is either free of BSE or it is not - period!! No middle ground on this one!!!

Consumers are going to ultimately demand BSE Free status, and the producers will benefit from this greatly. The markets will embrace it and the product will flow freely within those markets. No more will we see embargoes and closed doors. All we have to do is get rid of this stonewalling crap that is continuing to stiffle the ability of the producers to get their beef to market. That stonewalling is being carried out at the political level on a daily basis and has to stop. It took years for the British Government to realize that they were not convincing the public at large and they began to losen their stance. The USDA cannot continue to evade the facts that science has moved on and that they, in their own testing protocol have strayed far behind the current science and they continue to think 2 years behind and a day late, and for what reason??? Is it because they are propping up an inductry that caters only to the majors players like the Cargills and the Tysons at the expense of the individual producers, or is it for some other higher goal that we have not even thought of yet??

I firmly believe that if producers were allowed to test their product prior to taking it to market, the industry would benefit greatly. Why? Because the international end-users of the product will embrace it. simple as that. Sorry to ramble on Mike.
 

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