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Who is for/Against COOL?

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Comment from Harris Teeter, a retailer:

"Retailers are being forced by the major packers to use label "B" on fresh beef cuts
and ground beef. This is because of feeder cattle coming into the country from
Canada and Mexico. Major packers are not offering label "A" as an option to retail
because of the cost of segregating these cattle through their complex sorting
systems. Product coming from some of these plants could be product of USA but
will be labeled Product of USA, Canada and Mexico. We believe once animals are
deemed "part of the US herd" they should qualify for "A" Cool labeling."



The truth is coming out about who is against COOL.

See Comments Here:

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Interesting article in the Cattlemen magazine this month by Steve Kay, editor of Cattle Buyers Weekly. (an American, BTW)

He states that retailers and packers plan to use the catch-all label that says "Product of the U.S., Canada or Mexico (as applicable)" on as much beef as possible. Tyson has already told its customers it will adopt the catch-all label for all it's beef. They say that the widespread implementation of this option will minimize added costs for everyone. They also warned that additional segregation of livestock and finished product will translate into higher wholesale prices and reduced product availability. In other words, Tyson does not plan to spend money putting any more different labels than they have to.

He says the labelling laws will only apply to 30 percent of all beef consumed in the U.S. any way, after all the exempted beef products, such as restaurant and processed products are taken out.

He goes on to say that the widespread use of the catch-all label by packers will eventually minimize any impact. Depending on guidance from packers, U.S. feedlots will not have to segregate Canadian and Mexican born from U.S. born cattle, with the exception of Canadian cattle being segregated in order to satisfy export requirements to South Korea. Once South Korea opens to Canadian cattle, this will also no longer be necessary.

He is of the opinion that the U.S. only label will be mostly found on branded beef and specialty lines. Which is what it was before all this fuss happened. :roll: :roll: :roll:

In other words, the big boys will find ways to make sure nothing changes.

Oh yea, the title of the article is "MCOOL will disappoint supporters"
 
New law requires labels on meat
Country-of-origin labels to be required
By Stephen J. Hedges | Washington Bureau
September 13, 2008
WASHINGTON — In a few weeks, American shoppers will be able to look at a cut of meat or a pound of hamburger and see something they've never seen before—a label that says where the meat came from.

Starting Sept. 30, food manufacturers and grocery stores have to comply with a new federal law that requires "Country of Origin Labeling," or COOL, on beef, pork, chicken and lamb.

The new labels will tell consumers whether their food came from animals raised in the U.S. or another country. The law also covers perishable items, such as fruits and vegetables and a variety of nuts.

Some say this will enable consumers to avoid food that, for example, comes from countries that they have heard have food safety problems. It also will allow consumers to stick to American-grown food, if that is their preference.


Beef from abroad because of the complexities of the livestock industry, some product labels may list multiple countries. That's especially true of ground beef, because some meat processors combine cuts from a number of countries to make ground meat and hamburger patties.

Food safety groups have hailed COOL as a necessary step toward broader consumer education and buying choices. But now they complain that the Department of Agriculture has defined it as narrowly as possible.

For example, they say, the agency has defined a host of foods as "processed," such as mixed frozen vegetables, which exempts them from the new law.

"When they finalized this rule, they bent over backward to make as few things be covered as possible," said Michael Hansen, a senior staff scientist with Consumers Union. "There are giant, giant loopholes in the law."
Many in the meat industry, these advocates say, have fought the new labeling law because they don't want consumers to know that they're buying imported hamburger and beef cuts. The USDA also stood against COOL, according to Lloyd Day, head of the agency's Agricultural Marketing Service, because of its projected impact on consumers and its estimated cost to the food industry: $2.5 billion in the first year.

But Congress has decreed that COOL will take effect on Sept. 30, so the debate over its merits is largely over. Now the industry is bracing for COOL's impact.

"We don't know exactly how it's all going to work," said Colin Woodall, the executive director of legislative affairs for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association. "And we won't know until it's fully up and running."



Flak from food firms
In an era of bar codes and tracking numbers, COOL might seem simple to enact. For a few food manufacturers, it will be.

"There's no change for me, because all of my ground beef has always carried the born-and-raised-in-the-U.S.A. label because I track everything," said Mike Callicrate, who operates Ranch Foods Direct in Colorado Springs. "It's not that complicated."

But getting COOL enacted has in fact been a complicated six-year effort. Congress first passed COOL in 2002, but the bill ran into heavy political resistance from food companies and the government itself. USDA and even Congress sided with food manufacturers who said the law would be too costly to enact, and COOL was delayed.

By 2005, only the portion of COOL pertaining to fish and seafood was in effect.

The idea gained momentum, though, following a string of recent food-borne illness outbreaks, new concerns over the safety of food imports and some of the largest meat recalls in history.


What is 'processed?'
One of the biggest disagreements over the law's fine points is what constitutes a processed food item.

Agriculture tried to clarify this with some guidelines issued in August. A bag of imported frozen peas, for instance, must list its country of origin under COOL. But a bag of peas mixed with carrots is considered processed, and does not require such a label.

"It's considered processed if it's combined with one other ingredient," said Patty Lovera, assistant director of Food & Water Watch, a non-profit consumer rights organization. "We think they're being incredibly broad."

USDA's Day said that pre-packaged imported foods like peas and carrots have to carry an origin label.

But if vegetables are imported in bulk and then mixed together by a U.S. company, then they are considered processed and don't need one.

Another controversy involves imported livestock. Under COOL, meat derived from cattle imported into the U.S. for immediate slaughter can bear a label that states it's a product of its origin country and the United States, even though the animal was raised entirely outside the U.S.

Some fear that some meatpackers who slaughter both imported and domestic cattle won't bother with specific labels, and instead will apply the same label to both.

Other problems involve verifying the origins of thousands of cattle slaughtered each day to feed the U.S. meat market.
Woodall's group is just one of a number of industry associations that joined to draft an affidavit that will make it easier for ranchers to show where their cattle came from—information that will be vital for COOL down the production line.

USDA met with the cattle groups in Washington earlier this month and approved the idea.

The agency issued its interim version of the law in August but has left itself room for adjustment.

Day said USDA hopes to draft a final version of the COOL regulations before the Bush administration's term is up in January. He said the department will be in an "education and outreach" phase for the next six months, taking into account the problems retailers and food companies experience with the new labeling requirements.

Consumer groups fear that those problems could lead to adjustments of COOL.

"Deep down a lot of people didn't want it to happen," said Lovera, of Food & Water Watch. "Now they've got to figure out how to implement it."

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Kato said:
Interesting article in the Cattlemen magazine this month by Steve Kay, editor of Cattle Buyers Weekly. (an American, BTW)

He states that retailers and packers plan to use the catch-all label that says "Product of the U.S., Canada or Mexico (as applicable)" on as much beef as possible. Tyson has already told its customers it will adopt the catch-all label for all it's beef. They say that the widespread implementation of this option will minimize added costs for everyone. They also warned that additional segregation of livestock and finished product will translate into higher wholesale prices and reduced product availability. In other words, Tyson does not plan to spend money putting any more different labels than they have to.

He says the labelling laws will only apply to 30 percent of all beef consumed in the U.S. any way, after all the exempted beef products, such as restaurant and processed products are taken out.

He goes on to say that the widespread use of the catch-all label by packers will eventually minimize any impact. Depending on guidance from packers, U.S. feedlots will not have to segregate Canadian and Mexican born from U.S. born cattle, with the exception of Canadian cattle being segregated in order to satisfy export requirements to South Korea. Once South Korea opens to Canadian cattle, this will also no longer be necessary.

He is of the opinion that the U.S. only label will be mostly found on branded beef and specialty lines. Which is what it was before all this fuss happened. :roll: :roll: :roll:

In other words, the big boys will find ways to make sure nothing changes.

Oh yea, the title of the article is "MCOOL will disappoint supporters"

The packers won't be using the catch-all label if checkoff spurred consumers demand different.
 
Demanding different will have to translate into paying a higher price for that to happen. If people are willing to pay more they will get a change, but unless they do, it's the bottom line that will rule.

And that's not anyone's bottom line but the packer's.
 
Farm groups worried about labeling law
By MARY CLARE JALONICK Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press - Wednesday, September 17, 2008

WASHINGTON

Farm groups are protesting the Agriculture Department's use of a new food labeling law, saying it has loopholes that could confuse consumers about where their meat comes from.

National Farmers Union President Tom Buis and other farm groups said Wednesday the department has written the law - which passed with widespread support in the federal farm bill earlier this year - in a way that will allow meatpackers to avoid labeling packages of meat as an exclusively U.S. products.

The law is scheduled to take effect at the end of the month.

At issue are the new country of origin labels on fresh meats, an issue long debated by Congress.

The labels are favored by High Plains ranchers who own small operations and compete with Canadian beef. The leading opponents have been grocery stores and large meatpacking companies - many of whom mix U.S. and Mexican beef - and other businesses involved in getting products to supermarkets.

Those groups have said the tracking and the paperwork needed to comply with the law is would be too burdensome and would lead to higher prices. They agreed to a compromise that ended up in this year's farm law after days of negotiations.

The compromise laid out different types of labels, including one that would tag meat from animals that are born, raised and slaughtered in the United States as products of this country. Another label would spell out multiple countries of origin, such as "Product of U.S., Mexico and Canada."

Farm groups say the new law as written by the Agriculture Department would allow meatpackers to label all beef and pork with multiple countries of origin - even meat that was born, raised and slaughtered in the United States. That could make it easier and cheaper for the meatpackers but eliminate the competitive advantage for ranchers who raise the U.S. meat.

"USDA has created a loophole big enough to drive a truck through, violating the spirit, letter and intent of the law and deceiving consumers who have consistently shown support for buying U.S. products," Buis said. "This is about truth in labeling."
Billy Cox, a spokesman for the Agriculture Department's Agricultural Marketing Service, said the law is still under discussion.

"We do take it seriously," he said of the farm groups' complaints.

Senate Agriculture Chairman Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, said the department "seems to be taking liberty with their interpretation" of the law passed by Congress.

"That goes against the spirit of the law and the negotiated settlement between producer and packing industry representatives," Harkin said.

Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., has written Agriculture Secretary Ed Schafer to ask him to fix the problem.

Schafer, a former North Dakota governor, also has some pressure from his home state, where the labeling law is popular.

"Surely Secretary Schafer knows farmers, ranchers, and consumers all have worked hard to secure (country of origin labeling) as a way to clearly identify food products, whether those products are from overseas sources, specifically U.S. in origin, or a blend," said North Dakota Farmers Union President Robert Carlson. "To allow meat packers to exploit this loophole means USDA is catering to the packers, rather than following the intent of Congress, consumers, farmers and ranchers."

Copyright © 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
 
And so,the fights goes on..................................
looks like R CALFS work is just getting started good,let the packers promote multinational beef,thats all they been doing anyway,except this time they can pay for it ,and let the Beef checkoff promote USA bred,born,raised beef,its about time the cattleman got something for his checkoff dollars.......................good luck
 
Ag groups want COOL loophole closed
Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:09 PM

by Bob Meyer

National Farmers Union, R-CALF USA and the U.S. Cattlemen's Association have a problem with USDA's interpretation of country of origin labeling. The three groups sent a letter to Ag Secretary Ed Schafer expressing concern with reports some meat processors plan to circumvent the intent of the law by labeling U.S. meat as coming from "Multiple countries". The letter states, "To allow processors to label all products as if from multiple countries does not adhere to the spirit or intent of the
law, and only further denies consumers information they have been demanding for years."

NFU president Tom Buis says, "The farm bill language explicitly states exclusively born, raised and processed U.S. animals cannot be used in the multiple country category." He adds, "This is about truth in labeling." The groups ask that the situation be clarified and remedied before COOL is implemented on October 1st.
 
The unintended, implied implication...

Choice one...multinational label

Choice two...country of origin on label

Implication...

Choice one doesn't care where the beef comes from that they are feeding to your family.

Choice two is proud of their beef and standing behind it.
 
COOL backers decry giant loophole
by North Platte Bulletin Staff - 9/18/2008

Years of fierce debate and political tricks continue in the battle over country-of-origin-labeling of meats, as COOL comes close to becoming national policy.

Congress adopted the labeling program in 2002 at the request of U.S. cattle producers and consumer groups, but the U.S. Department of Agriculture studied the law and never deciding how to implement it. Then, influential legislators in Congress cut off funding for it.


Congress re-adopted COOL early this year in the Farm Bill. The USDA has announced the final rules for the program, which could take effect Sept. 30.


But the final rules contain a gigantic loophole that undercuts the program.


The new rules allow packers to label U.S. meat as if it came from multiple countries.

This "defeats the purpose," Nebraska Farm Bureau President Keith Olsen said.

Critics say the meatpackers evidently persuaded USDA officials to undermine COOL. Meat packers, who import beef from other countries, have vigorously opposed the law since it was adopted.


"This is a slap in the face to the thousands of independent U.S. cattle producers who have fought for more than six years for the right to proudly market their beef products from cattle that are exclusively born, raised and slaughtered here in the United States of America," said Max Thornsberry, president of the Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund.


"USDA has created a loophole big enough to drive a truck through, violating the spirit, letter and intent of the law and deceiving consumers who have consistently shown support for buying U.S. products," said Tom Buis, president of the National Farmer's Union. "This is about truth in labeling."



The COOL provision in the farm bill was a compromise agreement that creates four labeling categories:

· Products exclusively born, raised and processed in the United States would be labeled as a U.S. product;

· Products from animals that were not exclusively born, raised and processed in the United States and not imported for immediate slaughter be labeled with all countries in which the animal may have been born, raised or processed;

· An animal that was imported for immediate processing may be labeled as a product of the importing country and the United States; and

· Animals that were born, raised and processed in a foreign country will be labeled as a product of the country of origin.

The North Platte Bulletin - Published 9/18/2008
 
Schafer comments, in North Dakato Sept. 20 /2008

And there's a demanding goal ahead of Schafer and his USDA staff The U.S. is to produce 36 Billion gallons of renewable fuels by 2022

(Schafer) my background and experience in ND has really helped me deliver the responsiblities of Secretary of USDA...

Schafer says since 2001 USDA has invested $1.5 Billion in North Dakota's rural infastructure for housing, community facilities and businesses.

Schafer says he will see whats wrong on this new issue of COOL labeling beef ,as per some companies saying they are going to label all meat whether foreign or not with the same label.

The intent of COOL was that every package of meat be labeled with its country of origin and where it was born, raised, and processed with a verifiable audit trail. Not a generic label.
 
If you COOLies want yor beef labeled. Why don't you just go out and start you own brand and label it anyway you want. That way you can pay your own expenses for doing it and since your so sure it's a good idea for everybody else. Maybe later it will catch on with others. Instead of trying to cram your BS down everybody elses throat. Quit your whining and start cleaning up your own houses. If you spent half as much time taking care of your own businesses instead of trying to to tell everybody else how to do theirs, you could probaly turn a profit with out begging to the goverment.
 
Ranchero said:
If you COOLies want yor beef labeled. Why don't you just go out and start you own brand and label it anyway you want. That way you can pay your own expenses for doing it and since your so sure it's a good idea for everybody else. Maybe later it will catch on with others. Instead of trying to cram your BS down everybody elses throat. Quit your whining and start cleaning up your own houses. If you spent half as much time taking care of your own businesses instead of trying to to tell everybody else how to do theirs, you could probaly turn a profit with out begging to the goverment.
I read somewhere that only 5 countries DON'T have COOL...if you aren't proud enough of your beef to have it labeled, don't send it to us!!!!
 
RMFU cries foul on USDA move to ruin country-of-origin labeling

Rocky Mountain Farmers Union President Kent Peppler said recently that the U.S. Department of Agriculture is creating a loophole in the 2008 farm bill's country-of-origin labeling provision that will circumvent the intent of the labeling law.

"Corporate agriculture has been fighting this basic consumer and producer right for years, and the USDA is putting the meat industry monopoly's interests first on this. The law means producers will have their product's origin identified and consumers will be able to determine where their food comes from.

Under the USDA's proposed rules, multinational monopolies will be able to blur the value of American beef by labeling animals born, raised, and processed in the U.S. as 'multi-country.' Effectively, almost all animals can be labeled 'multi-country,' which makes COOL meaningless."

Peppler, a Mead, Colo., farmer, pointed out that COOL was actually legislated in the 2002 farm bill. "And the USDA simply failed to implement it at all. Congress legislated a newer, more explicit version in the 2008 farm bill.

It was a compromise agreed to by consumers, producers, and the meat industry. It looks like the meat industry had its fingers crossed behind its back. Either they lied, or they decided to renege on their deal." A handful of corporate giants like Tyson and Cargill control the industry. Tyson is not only the largest beef packer, but also second largest in pork and poultry. Cargill is second for beef and also controls animal feed production.

"The meat industry agreed to the wording of this legislation," Peppler said. "They gave their word they would support it, and those of us who wanted more stringent controls took them at their word and agreed to compromise.

Now the two or three packing companies who monopolize the meat industry, have reneged, and they are strong-arming the USDA to wreck country-of-origin labeling for the second time in a decade. They don't care about their word or the American people.

The USDA is supposed to be looking out for the interests of American consumer and producers. They seem to have forgotten that. The USDA should implement the bill the way it was written, not the way agribusiness wanted it written."

9/29/08
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Note; Farmers and ranchers are being told by some processors that unless they check the multiple-origin label box (to certify the origin of their animals on their product affidavits, they will be audited. This information is completely discouraging to a producer,
 
There's something else that hasn't been spoken much about.

That's the dialogue between the governments of Canada and the U.S. regarding COOL. The Canadian government has made it known that this is a contravention of NAFTA, and that if it is implemented in such a way as to cause undue damage to the Canadian cattle industry, that it will be challenged. They are all ready to start, but are waiting to see how it plays out before sending in the lawyers.

The American government is also well aware that besides being your biggest trading partner, Canada is the largest provider of energy to the U.S. And we all know how much influence a barrel of oil has with your country. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I read somewhere that only 5 countries DON'T have COOL...if you aren't proud enough of your beef to have it labeled, don't send it to us!!!!

We send you our beef labeled. It's cattle, and the price discounts applied to them that is the issue, not beef. As far as we're concerned, and the trade laws are concerned, once it's been through a packing plant, it's as much your beef as ours.
 
How can it violate NAFTA? The same rules apply to everybody's product, regardless of country of origin.

Why are Canadians fighting a program that undermines a business plan that depresses the prices paid to Canadian producers?
 
02 Aug 2008 05:10 AM

The Change in Generic Food May Help You Save
by Mary Ann Romans

Here is one way that the downturn in the economy may be good for those of us living frugally, although some caution is still advised. Grocery stores are having to come up with new ways to be creative when selling their food, and they are quick to respond to anything that will sell product.

One of the results of people tightening their belts is the fact that most shoppers, even ones with higher income, are now buying generic store brands instead of name brand. This applies to food and other household goods, such as laundry detergent. As bread prices move to $3 a loaf, shoppers are willing to try a generic brand for half the cost.

When money is stable, people tend to continue to buy whatever it was they bought last week or last month. But, when there is a shift in the amount of disposable income or a perception that there are hard times ahead, customers start looking for ways to save. While we can do a few things things to cut down on the amount of gas we use by reducing our driving, it is hard to reduce the amount of food we need.

Enter the generics.

Stores make more of a profit on generics than they do selling name brand products. And the current economy has been a sort of mini boon to these products. Stores are responding with fancier recipes, fancier labels and packaging and even some marketing. No more do you see "Giant Pizza Sauce" or "Kroger Peas. These days, you will find "Private Selection Vodka Pasta Sauce" for example. Many stores are offering gourmet and organic generic foods. There is a lot more selection. Stores are even offering items such as store brand steak and pizza.

So have the prices for generics gone up? Like the prices for food everywhere they have. Look for sales on generics, which is becoming increasingly common, and select your generics carefully. Many stores now have two levels of generic brands, a premium label and a value label. Figure out which is which and buy accordingly. As stores devote more space and marketing to their store brand foods, some of these foods may rise in price to become similar to name brand items.

Since you generally can't buy generic items with coupons, always do a cost comparison with the name brands by unit price. Sometimes with a coupon and/or a sale, the name brand costs less.

Happy Shopping!

Click here for more articles by Mary Ann Romans.

I wonder what percent of the markets is captured by generic product?
 
RobertMac, are you VERY sure that was COOL that "only five countries don't have..."?

I've read it is NAIS, or a similar form of ANIMAL IDENTIFICATION for protection of the food animal industries, and possibly protection of consumers as well, which most nations have and that the USA lacks.

mrj
 
Sep 30, 2008 8:18 pm US/Eastern
Are Stores Really Telling You Where Food's From?
CBS 2 HD Hidden Camera Investigation Finds That Many Area Markets Are Not Complying With USDA
Reporting
Kirstin Cole NEW YORK (CBS) ― From this week's Chinese milk contaminated with the chemical melamine to Mexican jalapeño peppers tainted with salmonella in May, American consumers are growing more and more concerned about where their food is coming from. Now a new law mandates that consumers be told exactly where some of their food is coming from.

Starting Tuesday, the USDA requires all fruits, vegetables, meat and some nuts be labeled with its country of origin.

"If there is a recall and they tell you don't eat any lettuce that comes from Mexico, you'll now be able to go 'OK, I just won't buy it from Mexico'," said Michael Hansen, senior scientist with the Consumers Union.

Consumer advocates insist this will help with food safety, but when we took hidden cameras to some area markets, not everyone was complying. At one Yonkers Pathmark on Central Avenue, we loaded our cart with unlabeled produce and meat.

When asked if he could explain why CBS 2's Kirstin Cole's grocery cart was full of food that wasn't labeled, the store owner fled.

The Co-Op City Stop & Shop in the Bronx also is behind the times. The manager and corporate office insist they label everything, but we found shallots, aloe, pears and more with no country of origin. When explaining why their food wasn't labeled, the manager said, "We have a deadline for that." Which, incidentally, was today, September 30.

Pathmark says they have started labeling in the fish department and have "begun to roll-out the program in other departments."

The USDA won't inspect or fine for another six months, and many stores are using this grace period. Butchers and smaller stores, however, do not have to label unless vthey sell some produce. Also exempt are all processed, packaged and mixed foods.
 

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