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Who'd a thunk it Al Gore tells truth?!

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By Gerard Wynn

ATHENS, Nov 22 (Reuters) - Former U.S. vice-president Al Gore said support for corn-based ethanol in the United States was "not a good policy", weeks before tax credits are up for renewal.

U.S. blending tax breaks for ethanol make it profitable for refiners to use the fuel even when it is more expensive than gasoline. The credits are up for renewal on Dec. 31.

Total U.S. ethanol subsidies reached $7.7 billion last year according to the International Energy Industry, which said biofuels worldwide received more subsidies than any other form of renewable energy.

"It is not a good policy to have these massive subsidies for (U.S.) first generation ethanol," said Gore, speaking at a green energy business conference in Athens sponsored by Marfin Popular Bank.

"First generation ethanol I think was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small.

"It's hard once such a programme is put in place to deal with the lobbies that keep it going."
He explained his own support for the original programme on his presidential ambitions.

"One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president."

U.S. ethanol is made by extracting sugar from corn, an energy-intensive process. The U.S. ethanol industry will consume about 41 percent of the U.S. corn crop this year, or 15 percent of the global corn crop, according to Goldman Sachs analysts.

A food-versus-fuel debate erupted in 2008, in the wake of record food prices, where the biofuel industry was criticised for helping stoke food prices.

Gore said a range of factors had contributed to that food price crisis, including drought in Australia, but said there was no doubt biofuels have an effect.

"The size, the percentage of corn particularly, which is now being (used for) first generation ethanol definitely has an impact on food prices.

"The competition with food prices is real."

Gore supported so-called second generation technologies which do not compete with food, for example cellulosic technologies which use chemicals or enzymes to extract sugar from fibre for example in wood, waste or grass.

"I do think second and third generation that don't compete with food prices will play an increasing role, certainly with aviation fuels."
Gore added did that he did not expect a U.S. clean energy or climate bill for "at least two years" following the mid-term elections which saw Republicans increase their support.

(Reporting by Gerard Wynn; editing by Keiron Henderson)
 
Is Gore still financially entwined with Occidental Petroleum?

I have never thought Gore to be a true environmentalist, it's all about his pocketbook.
 
He is one of the biggest investors in the Chicago Climate Exchange. If cap and trade had went through he would have made MULTIPLE Billions of dollars.

He is only talking his book.
 
"One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president."

pandering for votes were you?

I bet there will be a bunch of Dems. along any minute now to remind us how the Republicans don't respect science......when pandering for votes


:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
"... and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president."

Interpretation; "I was using the power I held to use the US treasury to buy votes for me."
 
A few questions

How do you get to generation two without going through generation one?

If ethanol raises food prices the wouldn't it also lower fuel prices?

If ethanol raises corn prices too high, is a return on a farmers investment acceptable. If ethanol keeps farmers in business would that not also help keep the conglomerates out of the food production chain.

If corn is too high for the cattle industry isnn't it possible the problem with the price one recieves for their cattle the problem more so than the inputs in grain. (the problem with the ag industry is it feeds on itself to survive.)

What happens to the byproducts of the ethanol industry?

If we do go to generation two in the etnaol industry isn't it likely that some corn acres will also go to the second generation production. Do you think five dollar corn bought some corn acres or are the farmers sticking with what they had been producing.

If we consolidate the ag industry then exxon could own the farms and sell us both food and fuel(how convenient is that)

Just some food for thought as this ethanol industry proigresses
 

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