Why do we educate?

[Jinglebob]

I am all for education. But I think the education system in this country is in a mess.

Around here, the best education comes through the parochial school systems, seems like. But they have an advantage, they MAKE the parents stay involved! :wink:

As for continuing ed, if you quit learning, you might as well roll over and die.

Read, read, read and then read some more. Second best way to learn.

Why do people not realize that there are library's and the internet and that there is a lot of info about everything out there and all they need to do is check it out? :???:

I am radical. I think the best way to learn is "hands on" with a mentor. After all, it's the cowboy way.

Totally agree-but why then when I am sittin' on fence givin' orders to pups(kids) while branding etc. ,the wife calls me bossy and lazy? Just schoolin' the pup's I say.

Just ignore her Greg. By golly I'll bet thats the way you learned. I know it was the way I learned. Just a "passing on of knowledge" from one generation to the next.

'Course, some seem to be better at it than others.

Truthfully, lots of the important stuff I learned in life, I learned from my parents. They are after all, the first and best teachers.

I learned a lot from many older people and am still learning a lot from younger people.

Some of it I wish I hadn't learned tho'! :shock:

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[katrina]

Education is something no one can take away from you whether it is in school or not.... I think all kids should go to college and at least get a bachelors degree...
Wish I would of...
I also wish I had better math skills....

edited for nonothing...... Thanks I had a blonde moment....

 

[Mrs.Greg]

I am all for education. But I think the education system in this country is in a mess.

Around here, the best education comes through the parochial school systems, seems like. But they have an advantage, they MAKE the parents stay involved! :wink:

As for continuing ed, if you quit learning, you might as well roll over and die.

Read, read, read and then read some more. Second best way to learn.

Why do people not realize that there are library's and the internet and that there is a lot of info about everything out there and all they need to do is check it out? :???:

I am radical. I think the best way to learn is "hands on" with a mentor. After all, it's the cowboy way.

Totally agree-but why then when I am sittin' on fence givin' orders to pups(kids) while branding etc. ,the wife calls me bossy and lazy? Just schoolin' the pup's I say.

Sweetie ...never really said you were lazy,just said you like playing boss a tad too much retty:

 

[CattleArmy]

A wise woman once said, "College doesn't make you any smarter, it just gives you more opportunities."

I like that quote.

In today's society in most journeys through the work force at one time or another some one with a degree will get a job before someone lacking one. I know this is not always the case as I know some men in the area that are sought after as employees when they aren't even looking for a job. Work ethic and not being afraid of a days hard work also in some jobs are very much the deciding factor. However, it seems to me the jobs with the most monatary benefits, health, and retirement in today's world want a degree to back the hiring. I'm all for education the more the better. Even if a child decides to return to a ranch operation it gives them another way to diversify and make money to help support or grow the operation or in the case they get home and it's not what they want they are capable of going on to an easier way of supporting themselves in life. Just my opinion.

 

[Ben H]

There isn't any question on the importance of education. One thing I liked about most of the classes I took towards my major (Animal Science), not including the "core classes", is that they didn't just teach you knowledge and test you on it. The information was presented, the biology behind it and discussion on real world application. The tests were thought questions. We were given scenarios and had to think about what we'd learned to come up with an answer. My school was very challenging forcing you to think outside the box. Sure we learned about the efficiencies of getting bigger, but it was also presented that is not the only option.

I think math is very important, I use it almost daily. I don't see a need for Calculus, I never took it and I do fine. What I would say in favor of it is that is continues to challenge you, math is something you need to keep doing over and over and over.

Looking back I wish I actually hadn't avoided BioChemistry, I want to learn more about fatty-acids so that I can have a better understanding of the Omega-6/3 and CLA differences in different feeding systems. I know what it affects it, but not exactly why.

 

[Soapweed]

A wise woman once said, "College doesn't make you any smarter, it just gives you more opportunities."

I like that quote.

I'm all for education the more the better.

To a certain point, education is fine. As for "the more the better," I don't agree. After a certain point, "more education" just tends to take away a person's common sense and make them more liberal. They turn out "book smart" but unable to use this fine education for anything of a constructive nature. :wink:

 

[CattleArmy]

A wise woman once said, "College doesn't make you any smarter, it just gives you more opportunities."

I like that quote.

I'm all for education the more the better.

To a certain point, education is fine. As for "the more the better," I don't agree. After a certain point, "more education" just tends to take away a person's common sense and make them more liberal. They turn out "book smart" but unable to use this fine education for anything of a constructive nature. :wink:

I can argue this point my brother has his masters degree and is still about as conservative as you are Soapweed. :wink: The great thing about his degree is he can travel all over and find a well paying job with benefits about anywhere. It's a security I don't feel I have and the reason I continue on my educational journey. He's very involved in the world of agriculture and known across the nation so you can't even say he forgot his roots on his path of educational endeavors.

 

[nonothing]

A wise woman once said, "College doesn't make you any smarter, it just gives you more opportunities."

I like that quote.

I'm all for education the more the better.

To a certain point, education is fine. As for "the more the better," I don't agree. After a certain point, "more education" just tends to take away a person's common sense and make them more liberal. They turn out "book smart" but unable to use this fine education for anything of a constructive nature. :wink:

Education does not only happen in a classroom sir Soapweed,you make so much out of a liberal or conservative stance its sad..Why not measure people by the book you preach so much from,God never once says one should treat a liberal worse then a conservative...You can have your views but its not education that changes a man..Greed,power and deals with the devil are the culprits in making a good man go bad,... :wink:

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

nonothing, I think you're gonna hafta chill out...

I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I had a similar conversation with you in a long, tedious thread a while back.

Nobody's preaching from any book!! Conservative vs liberal doesn't necessarily mean Christian vs. non-Christian.

That's all I have to say about it. But I had to jump in here, just in case we were headed to another bashing.

Now, back to education...

By the way, I still think I have my common sense. But I do have those "duh" moments that would make my good ol' dad roll his eyes.

 

[nonothing]

nonothing, I think you're gonna hafta chill out...

I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I had a similar conversation with you in a long, tedious thread a while back.

Nobody's preaching from any book!! Conservative vs liberal doesn't necessarily mean Christian vs. non-Christian.

That's all I have to say about it. But I had to jump in here, just in case we were headed to another bashing.

Now, back to education...

By the way, I still think I have my common sense. But I do have those "duh" moments that would make my good ol' dad roll his eyes.

I am getting tired of you claiming no one is preaching yet you constantly rag on me.
First off i merely pointed out that it is better to treat people as god intended rather then treat a man poorly because he is a liberal.

Secondly,Soapweed does quote scripture allot here,some could argue at times its a form of preaching...I respect his view when he does so but I will challenge his statements from time to time...I will tell you what my thoughts on soapweed are...He has a kind soul and a quick wit,I am sure his hand is extended to help those in need who cross his path.(yes even if they are liberal)..I do not agree with allot of what is said here but I do not think less of sir soapweed being a christian or a republican,,,To be frank the world could use a few more soapweeds,but don't let him know i said that...I still have to keep my edge for further disagreements in my ranchers net future..

Third,I never said liberal Vs repub had anything to do with Christian vs non-Christian..All i said was God never stipulates political choice as reason to treat a person better or worse..so maybe its you who should chill out and let my words say what they say not what you decide them to say.ty

Lastly I am sure your a awesome person and enjoy a happy life.So that being said please no longer involve me in any of your postings,I feel you go out of your way to come at me and as I said I am tired of it....If you don't want to see bashing stop judging me and if you can't do that then at least judge me accurately....tyvm


Now, back to education

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

nonothing, I think you're gonna hafta chill out...

I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I had a similar conversation with you in a long, tedious thread a while back.

Nobody's preaching from any book!! Conservative vs liberal doesn't necessarily mean Christian vs. non-Christian.

That's all I have to say about it. But I had to jump in here, just in case we were headed to another bashing.

Now, back to education...

By the way, I still think I have my common sense. But I do have those "duh" moments that would make my good ol' dad roll his eyes.

I am getting tired of you claiming no one is preaching yet you constantly rag on me.
First off i merely pointed out that it is better to treat people as god intended rather then treat a man poorly because he is a liberal.

Secondly,Soapweed does quote scripture allot here,some could argue at times its a form of preaching...I respect his view when he does so but I will challenge his statements from time to time...I will tell you what my thoughts on soapweed are...He has a kind soul and a quick wit,I am sure his hand is extended to help those in need who cross his path.(yes even if they are liberal)..I do not agree with allot of what is said here but I do not think less of sir soapweed being a christian or a republican,,,To be frank the world could use a few more soapweeds,but don't let him know i said that...I still have to keep my edge for further disagreements in my ranchers net future..

Third,I never said liberal Vs repub had anything to do with Christian vs non-Christian..All i said was God never stipulates political choice as reason to treat a person better or worse..so maybe its you who should chill out and let my words say what they say not what you decide them to say.ty

Lastly I am sure your a awesome person and enjoy a happy life.So that being said please no longer involve me in any of your postings,I feel you go out of your way to come at me and as I said I am tired of it....If you don't want to see bashing stop judging me and if you can't do that then at least judge me accurately....tyvm


Now, back to education

In the interim of postings, I've looked back to see that you do love a good fight with most anyone.

I, on the other hand, do not. I disagree with so much of what you go after people for (including claiming that I go after you, when it is you who speak the harsh words in the first place), but that being said, your request is certainly granted. You are hereby left out. (...sigh of relief from Mss N. The-Hills)

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

To nonothing:
I'm afraid I might have implied a false sense of hope.

After some more thought, I will try to be more objective and try to take you as you intend (which, as you know, is sometimes impossible while just reading type-written words).

But. no, I can't just stay out of it. We all need to be responsible for what we say.

On the subject of education, it seems that if one stays in the world of acedemia for an extended time, without immersing himself in the "real world", then he may lose that common sense and end up with a skewed view of things.

But, there is nothing more impressive and useful than someone who reads, takes classes, does research along the way to better himself and become more knowledgeable of the world around him. I'm afraid that many think that when school is over, then it's time to turn on the TV and veg out. That's not helpful to anyone.

 

[Turkey Track Bar]

On the subject of education, it seems that if one stays in the world of acedemia for an extended time, without immersing himself in the "real world", then he may lose that common sense and end up with a skewed view of things.

But, there is nothing more impressive and useful than someone who reads, takes classes, does research along the way to better himself and become more knowledgeable of the world around him. I'm afraid that many think that when school is over, then it's time to turn on the TV and veg out. That's not helpful to anyone.

:agree: :clap: :clap: :agree:

Miss N--maybe the best post of the whole thread. Thank you.

Cheers---

TTB :wink:

 

[Northern Rancher]

Well call me crazy but if I need to have an operation I sure don't mind having a Dr. that cracked the odd textbook instead of learning by trial and error. I've known a few uneducated people along the way who weren't exactly bastions of common sense and good judgement-if higher education isn't your thing-fine -but it still has a place.

 

[nonothing]

Well call me crazy but if I need to have an operation I sure don't mind having a Dr. that cracked the odd textbook instead of learning by trial and error. I've known a few uneducated people along the way who weren't exactly bastions of common sense and good judgement-if higher education isn't your thing-fine -but it still has a place.

Well said NR :!: :!: :!: :!:

 

[kolanuraven]

Well call me crazy but if I need to have an operation I sure don't mind having a Dr. that cracked the odd textbook instead of learning by trial and error. I've known a few uneducated people along the way who weren't exactly bastions of common sense and good judgement-if higher education isn't your thing-fine -but it still has a place.

EXCELLENT!

 

[nr]

Well call me crazy but if I need to have an operation I sure don't mind having a Dr. that cracked the odd textbook instead of learning by trial and error. I've known a few uneducated people along the way who weren't exactly bastions of common sense and good judgement-if higher education isn't your thing-fine -but it still has a place.

There are so many fields today, like medicine, that simply require years and years of specialized courses just to scratch the surface of the body of knowledge needed to begin working in that field.

Northern Rancher has it correct, but extend that line of thinking also to the scientists, astronauts, engineers, international politicians, etc.

Granted some people become "perpetual students" and never produce anything. But most folks I've met who've slogged through years of studies have put the education to good productive use that has benefitted the community.