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Winter grazing-Fraser's

Aaron said:
Denny said:
There nice enough cows nothing special that I can see. I don't quite understand your infatuation with other people's cows's and the work to get them. Maybe if you were'nt so light in the harness you could just go take pictures of your own. I can see if we had exposed grass here in winter we could graze it we don't so we can't. As many ventures you have stated you've been in I wonder if the first thing you should have done was pick a direction and stayed the course. I know I sound like a prick but I could'nt or WOULD'nt justify wasteing all the time and milage persueing the optimum cow.It take's a lifetime to build up a good cowherd and one generation to mess it up. You seem more like a cattle jockey than a Rancher anyhow. The guys here who always touted buy all your hay your an idiot to make. Most of them are either sold out or making their own hay. If I ran around the country hunting for whatever ,deer elk,moose,cows,bulls hockey,or rodeos I'd be divorced 1st and broke 2nd. Your wife needs a big hug she must be the most kind and understanding women on earth.
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As long as you realize that...



Thanks for the tour, NR.
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Well at least I'm honest.... :wink:
 
I'm probably guilty of taking a stand on issues but that's the way I see things. Frankly in all my needless travels I get to see alot of different management styles-many wrong ones which I copied over the years. I just like sharing info-my bad. I like to go look at things-plus when I leave I get to kiss Mrs. NR good bye!!!!!! Someday I'll tell you why I'm having extended stay in southern Alberta-it involves a Dodge truck-a tow truck driver and a confused service dept.
 
I still think you have a good idea with this new semen route. its about time someone tried it. systems like that at frasers weed out the bs - i think it just probably gets under the skin of some just like it gets under NR's skin in regards to the other end of the spectrum and probably even more so to some that have to look a breed of cattle that has always been here and has been the backbone of an industry that can do it like that.
 
NR Keep a good record of your travels and experiences and findings. Does the name Sherm Eweing ring a bell? I amjealous of NR getting to travel around and look at cattle and operations all over. I try to make 1 trip a year to look at cattle/operation in another state. Keep posting what you find in how people manage their cattle and land. How about pictues of handling facilities for those that do not cowboy there cattle at branding time.
 
Thanks for your critique Aaron, as I say I'm not a hereford breeder hence my question. The one thing that struck me with the pictures was the apparent lack of hip on the two cows - I thought that was quite a concern in the breed? Maybe the pictures don't do the cattle any justice - the first certainly doesn't as her head is down hill and I've never see a cattle picture yet that was improved by this stance.

NR - you maybe need to work on your customer relation skills - launching into a character assassination when someone asks a question that you misinterpret as criticism could sure drive some potential customers away.
I'm envious of your travels though - I can think of no pastime I would enjoy more than traveling around visiting different cow herds. Sadly I don't get to do it as often as I'd like.
 
To anyone who has seriously tried grazing cows all winter without supplemental feed, these cows look normal. To anyone who is used to seeing their cows fat all winter, I'm sure these cows look rough. To anyone with an open mind, try and consider the fact that these cows are not only surviving without feed, they are raising calves and breeding back or they would be gone. Most cows that have not been raised this way would abort and lose alot of weight if they were asked to work as hard as these cows do. Keep in mind that cows looking like this in January, do not always look like this. I'm guessing 8 or 9 months of the year these same cows are as fat as anyone else's. If they weren't, they'd look alot worse than they do right now. Not saying I think the ones pictured are exceptional or anything, just that they've got alot more going for them than most cows in Western Canada.

It takes alot of dedication, perseverence and patience to breed that type of hardiness into cattle. I know, because I've been doing it for a few years now myself. I can truly appreciate the worth of Fraser's cows, and thanks to NR for sharing them.
 
Denny said:
There nice enough cows nothing special that I can see. I don't quite understand your infatuation with other people's cows's and the work to get them. Maybe if you were'nt so light in the harness you could just go take pictures of your own. I can see if we had exposed grass here in winter we could graze it we don't so we can't. As many ventures you have stated you've been in I wonder if the first thing you should have done was pick a direction and stayed the course. I know I sound like a prick but I could'nt or WOULD'nt justify wasteing all the time and milage persueing the optimum cow.It take's a lifetime to build up a good cowherd and one generation to mess it up. You seem more like a cattle jockey than a Rancher anyhow. The guys here who always touted buy all your hay your an idiot to make. Most of them are either sold out or making their own hay. If I ran around the country hunting for whatever ,deer elk,moose,cows,bulls hockey,or rodeos I'd be divorced 1st and broke 2nd. Your wife needs a big hug she must be the most kind and understanding women on earth.
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Wow! I'm ashamed to have the same avatar as you.
 
Aaron said:
Grassfarmer said:
Aaron said:
20P's dam is quite the looker isn't she. How old is she now?

So did Murray still have 5P's dam out there?
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Really? I don't see that much to commend either of the hereford cows from in the pictures other than they are real world cows out grazing for a living. Tell me what the good points are that I'm missing as I'm not that versed on hereford cattle.
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The first Hereford cow, 20P's dam - She just isn't loaded with fat. Otherwise, she is structurally a very solid cow. Lots of barrel, chest and hip. Feminine-looking. Good feet and legs. Has some length. Not exceptionally long, but not short either. Can't see even a tit at this angle, so she has to be strong in the udder and teat department. And even a little pigment. All this and looking after herself so far this winter? She is my type of cow.
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you forgot the part how she's a good milker because her tail touches the ground...if you can tell all that from that picture leaping cars in a single bound can't be a problem for you either? 8)
 
murray has driven me around his herd in mid-december when there was less snow than in these pictures. there's no bs in that herd. the animals you buy from him and the progeny are some of the easiest keeping we've had here. it's just common sense ranching producing some quality breeding stock. my father bought bulls from murray's grandfather.
 
Denny, if u can't ride around and do what u won't to do, u must be hen pecked or not doin your homework good. If it ment me worryin about my wife devorcein me over lookin at cattle, horses, cow/hog dogs, airboats, or huntin and fishin then life would be not worth livein. Now if I was laid up in a honkeytonk drunk and chasein whores, that would be a nother thing. If nh life is lookin at cattle and he can afored to do it, I'm proud for him. Its his time and his gas. Not your or mine or anybody elses for that matter. If people won't to breed cattle like throughbred horses, that there business. Not yours of mine or anybody elses. I think the cattle looked good. And good to me is there not poor. If thay can get out there and grub in that snow and look that good, then I'd say every dollar u spend tryin to keep them mud fat is a dollar u won't make when you sell.
 
Denny, if u can't ride around and do what u won't to do, u must be hen pecked or not doin your homework good. If it ment me worryin about my wife devorcein me over lookin at cattle, horses, cow/hog dogs, airboats, or huntin and fishin then life would be not worth livein. Now if I was laid up in a honkeytonk drunk and chasein whores, that would be a nother thing. If nh life is lookin at cattle and he can afored to do it, I'm proud for him. Its his time and his gas. Not your or mine or anybody elses for that matter. If people won't to breed cattle like throughbred horses, that there business. Not yours of mine or anybody elses. I think the cattle looked good. And good to me is there not poor. If thay can get out there and grub in that snow and look that good, then I'd say every dollar u spend tryin to keep them mud fat is a dollar u won't make when you sell.
 
Yanuck said:
Aaron said:
Grassfarmer said:
Really? I don't see that much to commend either of the hereford cows from in the pictures other than they are real world cows out grazing for a living. Tell me what the good points are that I'm missing as I'm not that versed on hereford cattle.
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The first Hereford cow, 20P's dam - She just isn't loaded with fat. Otherwise, she is structurally a very solid cow. Lots of barrel, chest and hip. Feminine-looking. Good feet and legs. Has some length. Not exceptionally long, but not short either. Can't see even a tit at this angle, so she has to be strong in the udder and teat department. And even a little pigment. All this and looking after herself so far this winter? She is my type of cow.
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you forgot the part how she's a good milker because her tail touches the ground...if you can tell all that from that picture leaping cars in a single bound can't be a problem for you either? 8)
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That stick up the @ss is sure traveling around fast in this thread.
 

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