Winter grazing-Fraser's

[Yanuck]

The first Hereford cow, 20P's dam - She just isn't loaded with fat. Otherwise, she is structurally a very solid cow. Lots of barrel, chest and hip. Feminine-looking. Good feet and legs. Has some length. Not exceptionally long, but not short either. Can't see even a tit at this angle, so she has to be strong in the udder and teat department. And even a little pigment. All this and looking after herself so far this winter? She is my type of cow.

you forgot the part how she's a good milker because her tail touches the ground...if you can tell all that from that picture leaping cars in a single bound can't be a problem for you either? 8)

That stick up the @ss is sure traveling around fast in this thread.

didn't intend for you to have a stick up the butt Aaron...but tell me how you came to your conclusions? you can't see her feet, you can't see her udder from that angle at all...so that means its good? her head is completely down and away from the camera so how can you tell if she's feminine looking?

 

[RSL]

I think the reason to go looking is the same reason it is nice to have visitors. You can learn a lot from what others do, and every business is really a people business. Nothing nicer than looking at cows and country, no matter what type of cow or country...
The only thing I question you on NR is that last photo. Not sure how you are going to draw that one, but I am still learning...

 

[Northern Rancher]

We'll use that old black magic RSL!!!!

 

[Aaron]

didn't intend for you to have a stick up the butt Aaron...but tell me how you came to your conclusions? you can't see her feet, you can't see her udder from that angle at all...so that means its good? her head is completely down and away from the camera so how can you tell if she's feminine looking?

As far as feet, look at the pasterns and cannons. Good feet will present a steeper angle off the cannon and onto the pastern than bad feet will. I will bet money that cow has the natural feet of a show animal, considering her age.

I will almost guarantee she has a great udder and perfect teats. I can't guarantee that she milks heavy. But she doesn't have an udder 6 inches from the ground or teats the size of coke bottles. That's what matters. There are a lot of commercial and even some purebred cattlemen that still run that kind of junk.

Long slender neck, good haircoat, light bone, long head. All, for me, add up to femininity. Maybe you haven't seen the extremes (masculine or extremely feminine cows). This cow is a good balance and looks like a lot of my cows. Too feminine is easy to avoid most times. It's being too masculine that can be tricky to avoid.

 

[Grassfarmer]

didn't intend for you to have a stick up the butt Aaron...but tell me how you came to your conclusions? you can't see her feet, you can't see her udder from that angle at all...so that means its good? her head is completely down and away from the camera so how can you tell if she's feminine looking?

As far as feet, look at the pasterns and cannons. Good feet will present a steeper angle off the cannon and onto the pastern than bad feet will. I will bet money that cow has the natural feet of a show animal, considering her age.

I will almost guarantee she has a great udder and perfect teats. I can't guarantee that she milks heavy. But she doesn't have an udder 6 inches from the ground or teats the size of coke bottles. That's what matters. There are a lot of commercial and even some purebred cattlemen that still run that kind of junk.

Long slender neck, good haircoat, light bone, long head. All, for me, add up to femininity. Maybe you haven't seen the extremes (masculine or extremely feminine cows). This cow is a good balance and looks like a lot of my cows. Too feminine is easy to avoid most times. It's being too masculine that can be tricky to avoid.

I don't understand that statement Aaron - do show animals have good feet naturally? Are show animals the standard we should be comparing real world cows to that we want to sell semen producing sons off? A couple of leading Angus herds I know up here have their own turning tables that every yearling bulls gets a go on prior to sale - every hoof is squared off and tidied up so that they will look perfect in the show ring. How natural is show ring perfection?

 

[Aaron]

didn't intend for you to have a stick up the butt Aaron...but tell me how you came to your conclusions? you can't see her feet, you can't see her udder from that angle at all...so that means its good? her head is completely down and away from the camera so how can you tell if she's feminine looking?

As far as feet, look at the pasterns and cannons. Good feet will present a steeper angle off the cannon and onto the pastern than bad feet will. I will bet money that cow has the natural feet of a show animal, considering her age.

I will almost guarantee she has a great udder and perfect teats. I can't guarantee that she milks heavy. But she doesn't have an udder 6 inches from the ground or teats the size of coke bottles. That's what matters. There are a lot of commercial and even some purebred cattlemen that still run that kind of junk.

Long slender neck, good haircoat, light bone, long head. All, for me, add up to femininity. Maybe you haven't seen the extremes (masculine or extremely feminine cows). This cow is a good balance and looks like a lot of my cows. Too feminine is easy to avoid most times. It's being too masculine that can be tricky to avoid.

I don't understand that statement Aaron - do show animals have good feet naturally? Are show animals the standard we should be comparing real world cows to that we want to sell semen producing sons off? A couple of leading Angus herds I know up here have their own turning tables that every yearling bulls gets a go on prior to sale - every hoof is squared off and tidied up so that they will look perfect in the show ring. How natural is show ring perfection?

I wasn't clear in what I meant. What I mean, is this cow, in a natural setting, has the feet of a show animal. Forget the trimming part as that is not what I am referring to at all. I probably hate show animals and the people that raise them more than you do GF.

 

[leanin' H]

My kids and many others kids, raise stock show calves! DO YOU HATE THEM?!!!!! Narrow minded, know it all jack asses make statements like that Aaron! Thought you were better than that! :shock:

 

[Anonymous]

Something I didn't notice mentioned about feet- that plays a major role in them as much as genetics - just like in horses- is where they are raised and the type of soil/country raised in...
This gumbo on the river bottom will cause all kinds of problems with feet on cattle and horses raised on it- where the more sandy, gravelly country up at the north place allows them to grow out without any problems...

I've seen the same problems on cattle that were lotted- especially in the wet gumbo lots much of the time while being raised...

 

[Justin]

As far as feet, look at the pasterns and cannons. Good feet will present a steeper angle off the cannon and onto the pastern than bad feet will. I will bet money that cow has the natural feet of a show animal, considering her age.

I will almost guarantee she has a great udder and perfect teats. I can't guarantee that she milks heavy. But she doesn't have an udder 6 inches from the ground or teats the size of coke bottles. That's what matters. There are a lot of commercial and even some purebred cattlemen that still run that kind of junk.

Long slender neck, good haircoat, light bone, long head. All, for me, add up to femininity. Maybe you haven't seen the extremes (masculine or extremely feminine cows). This cow is a good balance and looks like a lot of my cows. Too feminine is easy to avoid most times. It's being too masculine that can be tricky to avoid.

I don't understand that statement Aaron - do show animals have good feet naturally? Are show animals the standard we should be comparing real world cows to that we want to sell semen producing sons off? A couple of leading Angus herds I know up here have their own turning tables that every yearling bulls gets a go on prior to sale - every hoof is squared off and tidied up so that they will look perfect in the show ring. How natural is show ring perfection?

I wasn't clear in what I meant. What I mean, is this cow, in a natural setting, has the feet of a show animal. Forget the trimming part as that is not what I am referring to at all. I probably hate show animals and the people that raise them more than you do GF.

why do you hate them so much? did some little girls 4-H heifer run your azz over at one time or what? :? :wink:

 

[Northern Rancher]

That's for sure Oldtimer cattle raised in gravelly country can have poor feet but it never shows up-when those genetics are used up in tougher conditions they tend to show up. Don't take this as a breed bash because I raise them but Red Angus I think are probably not as good footed as most breeds-it maybe has to do with the fact that the foundation cattle and alot of big players in the breed ranch in country where foot troubles don't show up as readily. Probably the best footed cattle I've seen on average are Salers-I was on the board of an 800 bull test station for years so got to look at the feet and legs of almost every breed.

 

[Aaron]

My kids and many others kids, raise stock show calves! DO YOU HATE THEM?!!!!! Narrow minded, know it all jack asses make statements like that Aaron! Thought you were better than that! :shock:

why do you hate them so much? did some little girls 4-H heifer run your azz over at one time or what? Confused Wink

Come on guys. If you can't figure out I am talking about big purebred outfits and not 4-H or junior shows, then you both are more narrow-minded than I thought! :roll:

 

[Justin]

Aaron, go back and read what you typed. you are saying you typed one thing but meant another? boy oh boy, sorry for not picking up on that...but then again i am narrow minded :? :roll:

 

[C-E]

I don't post here much so I'm sure my opinion don't matter much but threads like this where people just look for reasons to attack each other sure make me ashamed to be part of this site.

 

[Badlands]

Don't take this as a breed bash because I raise them but Red Angus I think are probably not as good footed as most breeds-it maybe has to do with the fact that the foundation cattle and alot of big players in the breed ranch in country where foot troubles don't show up as readily.

It's not a breed bash, NR, I see the same thing. Part of the reason I want to cross some black into the reds. Also why I asked about the older black cow you bought with the 033 pedigree.

I wonder if it has to do with the hardness of the black vs the red hoof. Do the harder black hoofs chip off and the softer red hooves take longer to chip? I don't know, but it would be fun to make a test like that.

Badlands

 

[Hanta Yo]

We have red, black and a few gray cows (gelbvieh influence). I think it has to do a lot with environment and management. Do spring calvers run cows through the barn/corrals and keep them there for any length of time during calving? Are the corrals 1 ft deep in muck? We calve our cows out in pasture, haven't had any probs with feet nor scours...we don't keep cows/calves locked up in corrals...since we fall calve our corrals are pretty dry :? during calving season and we keep the calving difficulty pairs (which are few) in for a short time. We are pretty dry during the summer..no marshes nor swamps. FWIW

 

[Aaron]

Aaron, go back and read what you typed. you are saying you typed one thing but meant another? boy oh boy, sorry for not picking up on that...but then again i am narrow minded :? :roll:

So sorry. I will try to remember in the future that I need to lay out the particulars and exemptions when stating an opinion of mine, in case you happen to read something that blows you off the handle. :roll:

 

[Justin]

Aaron, go back and read what you typed. you are saying you typed one thing but meant another? boy oh boy, sorry for not picking up on that...but then again i am narrow minded :? :roll:

So sorry. I will try to remember in the future that I need to lay out the particulars and exemptions when stating an opinion of mine, in case you happen to read something that blows you off the handle. :roll:

good plan.

 

[Liveoak]

I love you too Denny!!! I've posted alot of my own cattle pics on here. I think true cattlemen will appreciate these cows as for know it all foreigners and sour puss welders from Minnesota I don't value their opinions all that much. I'm sourcing genetics to to market semen on next year-don't know how to do it without l.ooking. I guess if your a bad man for visiting friends and enjoying their cattle shoot me in the guts.

NR, I appreciate the pictures!! I'm constantly amazed on how the northern reaches make it happen with their cattle with all the snow, ice and cold weather. By way of the pictures, one can tell that part of the answer (at least with these pics) is feed efficiency. If the cows in these pics get nothing but foraged grass then their doing dang good IMO!!

 

[Hanta Yo]

I love you too Denny!!! I've posted alot of my own cattle pics on here. I think true cattlemen will appreciate these cows as for know it all foreigners and sour puss welders from Minnesota I don't value their opinions all that much. I'm sourcing genetics to to market semen on next year-don't know how to do it without l.ooking. I guess if your a bad man for visiting friends and enjoying their cattle shoot me in the guts.

NR, I appreciate the pictures!! I'm constantly amazed on how the northern reaches make it happen with their cattle with all the snow, ice and cold weather. By way of the pictures, one can tell that part of the answer (at least with these pics) is feed efficiency. If the cows in these pics get nothing but foraged grass then their doing dang good IMO!!

Some people forget there is somewhat of a regional difference in weather...Canadians know what works best for them. We all have our "preferences" but the bottom line tells all

 

[Northern Rancher]

Those cows went through a stretch of -40 in December-there are some lick tubs back at the yard where the water is-but once they got snow not many cows make the trek back-it's a good mile back up to the yard.