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Thousands of livestock lost in trio of snowstorms
By The Associated Press - 04/25/2009

BILLINGS (AP) — Ranchers in southeastern Montana lost thousands of cattle and sheep as back-to-back-to-back snowstorms dumped up to 6 feet of snow on the area between March 23 and April 3.

Mike Riley, Farm Service Agency executive director for Powder River County, said as of Thursday 152 producers had reported the loss of 1,759 calves and cows and 501 lambs and sheep. He says another 28 ranchers could not tell him how much livestock they lost.

He expects to receive reports through next week.

Ronelia Parry, with the FSA in Carter County, said she'd heard from 120 producers who lost animals, but doesn't have any totals yet. She says some ranchers have lost as many as 40 to 80 calves.

"It's going to be in the thousands," she said.

David Wolff, who runs about 360 cattle on his ranch south of Ekalaka estimates he lost 13 percent to 15 percent of his calves.

"There was just so much snow, the calves suffocated under the drifts," he said.

Wolff said he doesn't think he'll ever know how many calves he lost.

"I know there were animals that went down the creek," he said.

Wolff lives on Box Elder Creek, which spread out across his pastures when it overflowed its banks as the snow melted.

"I've never seen this much water," said Wolff, who had to push up dikes to keep the water from reaching his house and shop. He also lost fencing.

The death toll is not the only effect of the trio of storms that hit on March 23, March 29 and April 3.

Cows and calves stressed by the wet and cold are more susceptible to illness.

"We're still seeing the effects," said Mary Rumph, a rancher and Powder River County extension agent. "We've been treating for scours (diarrhea), pneumonia and diphtheria." The first calf is hard on 2-year-old heifers under ordinary circumstances, Rumph said. The sustained cold, wind and snow made it much more difficult.

After branding last Sunday, Rumph found that the calves that survived the storm were in good shape, but their mothers showed strain.

"The cows are thinner than I've ever seen," she said.

Normally, the cows would be bred again in June, but Rumph worries they may not be ready by then.

Heifers that lost their calves during the storm are often difficult to breed again in the spring, said Nico Cantalupo, Carter-Fallon County extension agent. He said it may not be feasible for ranchers to keep — and feed — those cows.

The storm also took an emotional toll, said Rumph, who fed 10 calves three times a day during the first snowstorm, only to see some of them die in the second blizzard.

"It's such an emotional loss when you're trying to do your very best to take care of your animals and there's nothing you can do," she said. "I think I've cried more in the last three weeks than I have in the last 10 years." Rumph said there's at least one good thing to come out of the series of storms. "There's going to be a lot of hay for next winter."
 
It truly is a terrrible feeling getting hit with weather like that, although I haven't seen 6' of snow this time of year in my lifetime. Last time it happened here was the spring of 1974. The Battle River flooded so high the whole valley was under water, making it a river about 1-2 miles wide in places. Lots of animals lost that year, domestic and feral.

The only thing that can be done different, is calve when Mother Nature does. The deer don't fawn for another 2 weeks, and that lesson I'm sure was learnt the hard way.
 
My mature cowherd is due to calve May 1st and there are already 25 calves on the ground. I'm thinking about waiting one more week next year to turn the bulls out. It's too early to turn out to grass where I would like to be calving and we are not out of the woods for another storm. We can learn a lot from watching the wildlife can't we Pure Country.
 
Northern Ag Network a couple days ago was reporting that preliminary figures on the storms/flood losses in the Montana/Dakotas areas was 70,000 calves-20,000 older cattle - and with a total loss that could go over 100,000 head of livestock....
 
Not to make light of this article because Carter county was hit hard as was Powder River County...but...

Nico Cantalupo, Fallon Co. Extension Agent says that 2-year old heifers that lost calves are often difficult to breed in the spring :???: ---c'mon Nico---
those heifers without calves will be gaining more than the ones WITH calves and therefore they will breed back first.

I also read another article where he said everyone in Fallon County
lost 5-8 calves and that just ain't so. Maybe the paper misquoted him,
but I doubt it. The wind and snow was much more severe south and east of Fallon County. We were lucky, no doubt.

FWIW :lol:
 
It is such a sick feeling, whether it's happing here at home, Colorado, Nebraska, Wyoming, where ever....I don't wish these kind of loses on my worst enemy. We darn sure lost our share of calves, but I think there would be several producers in the area that would trade situations in a second. I haven't heard many specific numbers around the area, I think it is something nobody wants to talk about. To me, asking someone how many head they lost is like asking them how much money they have in the bank...just doesn't feel right. I hope everyone can recover, but I'm sure it will very difficult for many. Since I've been in this part of the county, I've heard it said several times, that we need a calf killin' spring storm to be able to survive the summer....if thats the case we have all paid our dues for a few years.
 
Faster horses said:
Not to make light of this article because Carter county was hit hard as was Powder River County...but...

Nico Cantalupo, Fallon Co. Extension Agent says that 2-year old heifers that lost calves are often difficult to breed in the spring :???: ---c'mon Nico---
those heifers without calves will be gaining more than the ones WITH calves and therefore they will breed back first.

I also read another article where he said everyone in Fallon County
lost 5-8 calves and that just ain't so. Maybe the paper misquoted him,
but I doubt it. The wind and snow was much more severe south and east of Fallon County. We were lucky, no doubt.

FWIW :lol:

Hey tell Nico hi for us from here tell him some Trailer Builder say's hi.
 
He was an extension agent here before he moved to Baker. His daughter and our's skated at the same rink back then.
 
PureCountry said:
The only thing that can be done different, is calve when Mother Nature does. The deer don't fawn for another 2 weeks, and that lesson I'm sure was learnt the hard way.

I like the "in tune with nature" idea but it should be put in context. Mother Nature has devised a system that ensures survival only - she doesn't have gas bills or insurance costs to pay. She doesn't ship animals that fail to rear young every year (is she perpetuating infertile lines?) She doesn't get paid by the pound for her young animals at auction so size is absolutely ruled by adapted genetics and available feed resources. Some years there will be wipe outs on mother nature's operation too - plenty wildlife starve every winter despite being bred to calf/fawn at the "right time". When we decided to raise domesticated animals as a business we got into a different game. While I agree that winter calving is not for me, it may work for others - there really are no right and wrong ways to do these things, each to their own. Calving later and later in the spring/summer often leads to producers feeding baled forage or cereal swaths to still milking cows when it's December and it's -40C. To me that is just as much working against nature (and economics) as calving in March versus June. I consider the late fall dead grass ideal for fattening weaned cows so I wean early - which I guess in itself is working against nature!

I certainly feel for the guys losing stock, whether it be snow, floods or disease outbreaks. It's tough to accept when it's both hitting your livliehood and the animals you care for 365 days a year. At the end of the day you have got to accept that "where there are stock there are losses" it's a matter of learning to cope with that reality.
 
Grassfarmer why would you consider early weaning calves to be working against nature? Don't you think that wildlife kick off their offspring as early as they can so they can start putting on fat to survive the winter? I'm not sure when that happens but you can bet it's not in December. I don't think any of the females would survive the winters if they fed their young till then.

Even though thousands of calves died this last winter and spring only a handful of ranchers will change their calving dates next year. Some think that they can't and some won't even consider it as an option. Younger calves that weigh less are worth a lot more than the ones in the dead pile.
 
Big Swede said:
Grassfarmer why would you consider early weaning calves to be working against nature? Don't you think that wildlife kick off their offspring as early as they can so they can start putting on fat to survive the winter? I'm not sure when that happens but you can bet it's not in December. I don't think any of the females would survive the winters if they fed their young till then.

Many actually stay with their young a full year or more. You don't see a moose calf on its own until the cow is ready to calve again. Bears keep their cubs over the winter and the following summer often times as well. I doubt there are many ranchers that would operate like that.
 
Upon further reflection, I can't say whether or not the young are nursing all the way through or not. :oops: Anyone know?
 
Silver said:
Upon further reflection, I can't say whether or not the young are nursing all the way through or not. :oops: Anyone know?

I've seen moose calves nursing as late as mid-Feb. Not sure about deer and cariboo. A sow bear will nurse her cubs all during the second year and will den with them the second winter, only chasing them off when they become romanticly inclined on the third spring.
 
Silver said:
Upon further reflection, I can't say whether or not the young are nursing all the way through or not. :oops: Anyone know?
I sure don't. :? My point about weaning calves was that when I wean my calves, all on one day that isn't the way it works in nature - the natural way would be to let the cows wean their own calves when they are ready to. I can't afford the inefficiency of feeding cows still nursing their late spring born calves through the deep cold season. I believe I have a better chance of paying my bills, under my conditions, if I wean early and manage the cows and calves as two separate groups with vastly differing feed requirements. I know others prefer to run the calves over winter with the cows and it seems to work for them.
 
I'm pretty sure deer wean off their fawns when the rut is on. I've spent literally 1,000's of hours hunting deerr in through the rut and I've never seen a fawn nursing. In fact you'll start to see bewildered fawns running around during the rut peak. When you see bucks dogging does hard there's hardly ever see fawns with them. They all get back together postrut but I'm sure it's more a social thing than a reuniting of doe and fawn for sustenance. I've shot does still milking later in the fall but maybe they haven't dried off yet either. We let our cows pretty much wean their calves off on their own-we don't feed any more to the pair than we used to when they were separated. Same with our brood mares-we'll sort off the short yearlings here pretty soon-they haven't sucked for a long time but can handle being weaned alot better now than in the fall-we'll but them with some older horses they ran with this winter.
 
There are many styles and methods to wean and winter calves. I'm not saying anyone is wrong with his or her own method. All I know is that a young calf is very efficient at converting feed into gain. And if a cow is dry going into fall and has the chance to gain before winter sets in it takes a lot less feed to get her through the winter. Future conception rates are bound to be better because the cow is always in good shape. I would bet that a lot of cows died this winter because that calf was still sucking when winter hit and hit hard and that cow could never eat enough to put that weight back on. I lost 4 older cows in the November blizzard because they were in poor shape when I weaned in early October. That was my fault. Those were the type of cows that should have had their calves weaned in August and that never would have happened.

I've seen research where after years of weighing cows and calves starting about the middle of August until the middle of November where cows consistently lose weight, up to 150 pounds in that time period and calves only gain in the neighborhood of half a pound a day for that period. Early weaning allows that cow to gain 150 pounds, a 300 pound swing and her calf could be efficiently gaining well over 2 pounds a day. It just makes so much sense to me. Another thing that seems to help is keeping that calf healthy where you can watch them better close to home instead of him getting sick out in the pasture in the fall when they don't get checked as often. Just something to think about.
 
What product would recommend Faster Horses? Or do you need to know something about the soils, grasses and water before you could do that. I'd be willing to try anything to eliminate summer pneumonia. I think the mineral I feed is pretty good but maybe there is something better out there. I know all the vaccine in the world is not worth a thing if the cattle's nutrition isn't balanced.
 

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