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Just got in from the 3 am check. While I was out counting up and checking on the 4 new calves since midnight, I was thinking about what a good feeling it is to witness and be a part of bringing these new lives successfully into the world. Everything out there seemed to be in harmony. Somewhere in the middle of these thoughts I realized that over the sounds of new mothers and sleeping cows, I was listening to that dreaded moaning that can mean only one thing. As it got louder and more distinct, I could hear the big dogs barking and others yipping, but mostly that erie moan that really only means one thing.... death.
So I sit here writing not with that good feeling that successful calving brings, but with a sense of foreboding that is hard to define. Hopefully with daylight I will find happy healthy contented pairs out on the feed ground and my sense of wellbeing will be restored.
And that's my 3 a.m. rant.
 
One bunch of our yearling heifers is being wintered just a little over twenty miles to the northwest of our ranch as the crow flies. This rancher told me yesterday that they lost a calf to a mountain lion a year ago. They looked all over for the missing calf, and a few days later found the carcass up on top of hay bales, which were piled two high. He says he knew coyotes couldn't drag it up there.

A mountain lion was captured up in that country a couple weeks ago. Instead of shooting it, they just implanted a tracking device and turned it loose. Great. :x :mad:
 
cowboyup spent the better part of an afternoon chasing a couple of coyotes from one of our new babies....danged things split up and he had to choose which to follow...got off a few shots, but not sure if he got 'im or not!! Coyotes are pretty thick around these parts, unfortunately!! :x
 
Silver I hope the wolves bypassed you. There's nothing like trying to check heifers at night with the wolves howling and the cow herd bellering, and nothing you can do, other than try not to get killed by the very upset heifers! We lost a yearling to the wolves a couple weeks ago, and of course not much can be done. The greens just love their wolves too much. And Soapweed, they have trapped foal killing cougars in the area and transplanted them "far away" in the mountains, which in reality is less than a day's ride on a fit horse from the kill site....... I'm thinking when the wolves and cougar start taking pets from the acreages something will happen, but we're a long ways from that area yet.
 
To quote Pat Goggins (and this one he is right on) "There isn't nothing wrong with this country that a good ole case of hollow belly wouldn't cure."

If these people we are feeding got hungry enough, they wouldn't feel the same about predators as they do now. We'd have more of them on our side. (My comments, not Pat Goggins.)
 
Faster horses said:
To quote Pat Goggins (and this one he is right on) "There isn't nothing wrong with this country that a good ole case of hollow belly wouldn't cure."

If these people we are feeding got hungry enough, they wouldn't feel the same about predators as they do now. We'd have more of them on our side. (My comments, not Pat Goggins.)
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AMEN!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
FH, first you would have to get past the city people's perception (and many rural people who should know better as well) that wolves are humane killers, only taking the sick and old. I'm sure most people don't have a clue how a wolf gets his/her food, and would be horrified if they knew. The wolves in all the paintings look very majestic, often better than real life, so people think they are wonderful and never look farther. If they saw the cows with their udders in shreds from fighting for their calf, or the yearlings we have gathered that have a hole under their tail that a baskeball would fit in thanks to the majestic wolf, they might change their tune a bit. People are way too far removed from the real world to realize that nature is cruel, and Disney is not reality based.
 
The best wolf bait going is a frozen dog-freeze him standing up on a lake-make a skidoo trail in a circle around it then set your treaps off the back of the skidoo.
 
A good friend of mine is good at calling them in. He called in a pack of 16 the other day. I'm gonna try to get him to come out and see what we can do.
'Course if there is one good thing in this is that we are overrun with elk, and maybe they'll thin them out a bit. Hmmmmm... let's see.... tough, fast, strong elk or young, weak, tasty beef.... Okay, maybe there isn't a good side. :?
 
I know ya'll love to jump on me as the Flaming Liberal/Tree Hugger, etc .........BUT wolves need to be controlled when in close proximity to cattle/livestock of any kind..... and should have NEVER EVER been re introduced into an area that they've already been cleared out of!! PERIOD... Same goes for Mtn Lions!!

Some Yahoo Yankee got it into his head that elk needed to be returned to this part of the GA/SC/NC world. Yes, we had elk once...a long time ago and it was a MUCH smaller animal that what is out West. Well...what did they bring in....regulation size elk from Colorado!! 5o r 6 bad wrecks already, fences torn all up in places, just a mess!!

And the Mtn. Lion has been reintroduced into these hills again. They were mostly shot/hunter/trapped out about 70-100 yrs ago.

Don't think that you guys west of the Mississippi are the only ones with this type of irritation!!! We got it here!!!
 
Kolan Remeber the "reintroduction" of the red wolf? LOL what a fiasco.

Where do these people GET their information from???? Animal rights groups. Yes I LOVE pictures of wovles ......DO I want one close to my house or animals NO they are killers.

I keep saying Yall need to speak out~ YELL~ SCREAM~ get the REAL message out there. I know I am dong what I can and I am sure there is more I can do BUT it takes everyone. How many of yall take pictures of the damage these animals do? How many of yall explain what you see everyday? How they really act and damage animals. Betcha if you show a calf that has been hurt ( cant show a dead calf LOL) that might start changing minds.
I know yall think I am on a saopbox BUT I am tired of getting "information" at school in regards to farms and animals and it is from WIld life conservation or PETA or NWF in order to read it I have to lay on my side so its straight.
I see teachers using this stuff...it comes with lesson plans easy to use and worksheets and coloring pages .......Then I get to spend the next 2 months undoing the misinformation.

OK enough of my rantings. I guess I am not getting to the people who really can make a change or get information out to schools.
 
Sage...we get 2 replies from DNR/Rangers etc.

#1....build taller fences

#2 use the " 3 S's Rule" Shoot Shovel Shut-up

I'm liking #2 personally but ya can't sit in the pasture 24/7!!!
 
we just took care of them again. Had to flush the buggers out of the bush with the 700, and we had the rest of the guys that came shoot the one that got away. ( I shot one off the lawn and Dad got one from the corrals.)
 
Angus Cattle Shower said:
we just took care of them again. Had to flush the buggers out of the bush with the 700, and we had the rest of the guys that came shoot the one that got away. ( I shot one off the lawn and Dad got one from the corrals.)
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obviously, acs, you do not have the governmental bullsh@# that we must deal with here in the states when it comes to dealing with wolves!! Here in Montana, you must have hard-core proof of a wolf kill (you know, dna, live video tape, 20 eye-witnesses all of whom must have a clean criminal record!) before anyone "official" will offer help...if that's what ya wanna call it! :roll:
 
Calving started early here and the cows weren't supposed to start so they weren't being checked. When out looking at them what was one to find a cow that had been calving had trouble (a foot was back). Not only was the calf ate on by the coyotes but the cow was to. So both were lost.

Dang Varmits!
 
CattleRMe said:
Calving started early here and the cows weren't supposed to start so they weren't being checked. When out looking at them what was one to find a cow that had been calving had trouble (a foot was back). Not only was the calf ate on by the coyotes but the cow was to. So both were lost.

Dang Varmits!
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If anyone on here see's this kind of thing in the future, they ought to taker a picture, to show to all of the eco terrorists.

I saw a picture of what coyotes did to a live baby calf. It wasn't a pretty sight. They need to show some of these kinds of pictures in the schools. Didn't need to years ago, because most kids had some sort of rural background, whether it was mom or dad or gramp and gramma in the country. They knew about animals and what they do to survive and how they go about doing it. Now, there are too few with rural heritage. They think it's all Walt Disney.

We all knew Micky and Minnie were made up. Now they believe they are real.
 
I haven't gone hunting for coyotes but have shot 18 out the back door of the house this winter. Shot 2 this morning and 6 ran away. I don't mind seeing a coyote in the calving pasture but I don't like to see packs and I don't like it when out riding and they try to lure my dog away.
 
After experiencing what we did with our little local Coyote Calling Contest, I can tell you for sure that newspapers don't want gruesome pictures of sheep or cattle eaten by wolves or coyotes. They don't care about 'OUR SIDE' because, according to them, we have no side.
 
Shower you've got timber wolves around Humboldt? The local trappers are getting quite a few I hear-one guy has got 15 and another 10 or so. Haven't heard of any stock losses so to speak but lots of game for them and an easy winter so far.
 
Its very true that the papers don't want any part of the wolf attack pictures. There have been articles written, and pictures made available, but they don't want anything so gruesome to shock their delicate Disney generation readers. For all their readers know, wolves shop at Safeway like everyone else - isn't that where all food comes from?
 

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