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Woody Tongue Problems

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One of my neighbors here runs about 50 cows and have been having problems. Started with 2 or 3 showing woody tongue symptoms...after a few days they had about a dozen or so with symptoms...and after a few more days it progressed to about 40 or more showing symptoms. They've lost one cow and had another abort, in roughly the same time frame.

With the rapid spread of this, I advised them to get a Vet on scene ASAP. The first vet they tried, wouldn't return their calls. The second vet they tried advised them to doctor the cows with penicillin. They did as he suggested, a few cows have started to recover but the majority have shown no improvement. They're in the process of getting a third vet's opinion.

Any suggestions & replies would be appreciated.

Thanks
 
We've always had luck with long acting liquamycin.

Get your neighbour to check his feed. Is he feeding something with awns, like barley straw or something? That can cause wooden tongue.

Let us know how it goes. :)
 
If it is actually woody tongue and not a feed irritation your neighbor has a severe iodine deficiency. You should be able to buy powdered iodine from your feed dealer, a couple tablespoons a day for 2 or 3 days plus antibiotics should cure most of them. Sodium iodide intraveinously can be used on open cows but will abort the pregnant ones.
 
Kato said:
We've always had luck with long acting liquamycin.

Get your neighbor to check his feed. Is he feeding something with awns, like barley straw or something? That can cause wooden tongue.

Let us know how it goes. :)

He is feeding meadow hay that has some kochia, downy brome, & a little thistle...some bales are worse than others but overall it's not that bad of feed...probably a combination of factors.
 
gcreekrch said:
Sodium iodide intraveinously can be used on open cows but will abort the pregnant ones.

Sodium iodide IV was the advice of their second vet consultation. My neighbor even went to his office and bought enough to do all his cows. He had called to see if I would come help him work them and I'm glad he did (probably not as glad he was) because I knew that was a big no no...and he was just about to work 'em himself and would have aborted most, if not all, of his cows.

This vet is in his late 80's and should probably retire....but he says he's gonna practice till he dies.
 
Just throwing this out.

Did the Hay have any Tansy Mustuard in it. It would show as wooden tounge also. You could IV Thymine Hydrocloried (Check dose with vet) or when we see the symtom we give 30cc of Thymine Hydrocloride in the deep mussle and follow up in three days. Then once a week for two weeks. We have found that any blood work will show all vitimain levels as ok but they need the THC to bounce them back. We now have it added to our mineral and have not had any like problems in two years. (knock on wood).
 
The Merck manual is failing me to night. I might have todig out my hard cover version instead of this on line one. :???:

Found it.












Actinobacillus lignieresii






Actinobacillosis, caused by gram-negative coccobacilli in the genus Actinobacillus , may present in several different forms, depending on the specific agent and the host. Soft- tissue infections are common, and lymph node involvement is frequently a step in systemic spread; adjacent bony tissue may also be affected.
A pleuropneumoniae ( Haemophilus pleuropneumoniae , H parahaemolyticus ) causes contagious pleuropneumonia in pigs ( Pleuropneumonia). Disease ranges from acute, severe pleuropneumonia to subacute or chronic infection with pleuritis and pulmonary abscessation. Immune complexes formed as a result of host response may damage endothelial cells, resulting in vasculitis and thrombosis, with edema, necrosis, infarction, and hemorrhage. Infection is usually restricted to pigs <5 mo of age. A pleuropneumoniae may be normal mucosal flora in pigs, cattle, and sheep. Vaccines are available, and treatment usually involves use of penicillins, tetracycline, erythromycin, spectinomycin, or cephalosporins.











Actinobacillus equuli






The natural host of A equuli is the horse; infections are seen in both foals and adult horses. Two subspecies, equuli and haemolyticus, have been described recently. Disease in foals may manifest as diarrhea, followed by meningitis, pneumonia, purulent nephritis, or septic polyarthritis (sleepy foal disease or joint-ill). Infection may be acquired through a contaminated umbilicus, or by inhalation or ingestion. The incidence of foal infection is reduced with greater attention to sanitation in the birthing environment and when maternal antibodies in colostrum have the desired antibacterial effect. Abortions, septicemia, nephritis, and endocarditis may result from A equuli infection in adult horses. Infection may be treated with chloramphenicol, gentamicin, sulfonamides, ampicillin, or third-generation cephalosporins, depending on the nature of the infection and the ability to achieve therapeutic concentrations at the site of infection.
A arthritidis is a newly described species, previously classified as Bisgaard taxon 9, which has been isolated from horses with arthritis and septicemia.











Actinobacillosis, cow






A lignieresii causes tumorous abscesses of the tongue, usually referred to as wooden tongue. It is seen primarily in cattle but also in sheep, horses, pigs, and dogs. It is a rare cause of disease in chickens. The organism may also cause pyogranulomatous lesions in soft tissues associated with the head, neck, limbs, and occasionally the lungs, pleura, udder, and subcutaneous tissue. The organism is part of the normal mucosal flora of the upper GI tract and causes disease when it gains access to adjacent soft tissue via penetrating wounds. It causes localized infections and can spread via the lymphatics to other tissues. Pus from the abscesses may contain microcolonies surrounded by clublike spicules of calcium phosphate, giving the appearance of sulfur granules <1 mm diameter. This form of actinobacillosis is found worldwide, but is sporadic and thus difficult to prevent. Surgical debridement may be useful in treatment; potassium iodide can be administered PO (although not to food-producing animals), and systemic antibacterial agents, such as tetracycline, erythromycin, or tilmicosin, may be effective.
A suis is part of the normal flora of the oral cavity of pigs. It causes septicemia in young pigs and arthritis, pneumonia, and pericarditis in older pigs. It may also cause septicemia, arthritis, pneumonia, and purulent nephritis in neonatal and postnatal foals. Disease follows a break in the integrity of the oral mucosa or may be associated with immunosuppression. The organism is typically susceptible to tetracycline, sulfonamides, and cephalosporins.
A actinomycetemcomitans is a common agent of human periodontal disease, and a rare cause of human endocarditis and ram epididymitis. It is found naturally on mucous membranes. A capsulatus is occasionally associated with septic arthritis in rabbits. " A seminis " has been associated with epididymitis in rams and with purulent polyarthritis in lambs.
Actinobacillus (Pasteurella) ureae has caused upper respiratory tract infections in humans and abortions in pigs.
A actinoides has been associated with suppurative pneumonia in calves and seminal vesiculitis in bulls, but is not a valid species.
 
In English please :lol:


On a side note, depending on the region you may have a differant cause for the same symptem. Another good source may be your local extension office also.

Edit: Do you have the Cow/Calf Management Guide from the U of Idaho? It is a good source to work from.
 
Cowpuncher said:
Did you talk to Dr Leveret or Dr Lisa McCue from the Limon Veretinary Clinic. They always came out and checked our cattle and know what they are doing.

Limon is a 4 hour drive from where I'm at. I haven't talked to my friend today, so I don't know if he got ahold of this other vet or not. This is the vet I use and recommended, but sometimes recommendations fall on deaf ears. You can only help people so much, the rest is up to them.
 
Circle M said:
that sounds uncomfortable , i guess the same could be said about me , when i bite my tongue when i eat sometimes, i tend to drool and say
" Golly" :wink:

You would think after years of eating experience we wouldn't make those mistakes, would you. :wink: :lol:
 
You would think after years of eating experience we wouldn't make those mistakes, would you. :wink: :lol:[/quote]

One would think that , but seeing how i am a bachlor and eating my own cooking, then i get the oppertunity to eat some real food i tend to shove my head in the feed bunk to fast :-)
 
Sodium iodide (IV only) is the standard treatment... being as they're bred, your best bet may be oxytetracycline (ie LA200). IV if possible, go slowly.
 
milkmaid said:
Sodium iodide (IV only) is the standard treatment... being as they're bred, your best bet may be oxytetracycline (ie LA200). IV if possible, go slowly.

Thanks, milkmaid. I've used Potassium Iodide by dissolving about 1/2 Tablespoon in about a pint of water administered orally along with injecting LA200 with good results. It seems the oral dosage of the iodine with its slower metabolization, through the gut, doesn't cause abortion. I've suggested this to my neighbor as well but with the sudden outbreak & large percentage of his herd that is affected, I thought it best he get a professional's opinion to see if something else is going on.
 

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