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[rancher]

OT-obviously the same safeguards put in place by both Countries at the same time did not work totally in protecting NA, from BSE, so you need to adapt and change to address the current situation.

US producer response to US beef Indusrty change
Well Murgen the safeguards worked from 1986 when BSE was discovered until 2005 to protect us why should we change the rules now. :roll:

So should we be lowering them and making them stronger?

We never had a problem before by feed chicken litter and condemned pet food that contain ruminant renderings to our herd Why should we stop now Besides it will cost to much to dispose of these products if we can't feed them to our herd :roll:

R-calf wants the chicken litter out and any other possible cause of BSE. The packers and USDA are the ones backing up on that.

We never had to clean up our feed system before so why should we do it now just keep Canadian SRM's out of the US and we will be OK. :wink: :roll:

We haven't had a home grown case, but yes they should have been.

We have been branding cattle for over a hundred years it worked then why change to a national ID system :roll:

Other states can do as they want for ID, we already have one.

Even though we don't trust the packers as far as we can throw them our export markets should just take their word for where the beef came from and how old the animals are. :roll:

Who is trusting the packers on this?

We shouldn't have to be burdened with the cost to prove it to them with a National ID system that can age verifiy by birth date :roll:


Even though the BSE test is not accurate enough to pick up a positive BSE animal if she isn't showing clinical signs or is under 30 months of age we should just test everything it's only a $20 test and then we won't lose the price of the SRM's at slaughter by having to remove them to insure the beef is safe for consumers :roll:

We sure lost lots of money with Japan and on a cow from you.

We could then go back to feeding them to our herd and consumers and just take a change that the test wasn't wrong and we aren't spreading the disease even farther :roll:

R-calf is against this, but USDA and packers are not.

Just have the packers (the guys we as producers don't trust) label the Beef, even though they have no way of verifying the label, in the grocery store. The consumer don't need to know that the food service beef they eat is imported :roll:

Can be done if they wanted too. They did it for Japan once.

As long as we label it the consumer can eat at their own risk and we don't have to bother to make sure our beef is as safe as we told them it was the Safest Beef in the WORLD and they should just believe us :roll:

At least they have a chance. Who does they might like yours better, but as it stands they can't tell.

Isn't that about all the answer we have heard about changes to the US beef industry oh I missed the biggest one

The Washington cow was found in our food chain and her SRM's could have entered our system either into the food chain or possibly the non compliant feed system but as soon as we found out she was born and raised in Canada we knew we had nothing to worry about in our system. We are still BSE free even though our trading partners don't believe it :roll:

That was USDA, not the producer.

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[Tam]

That was USDA, not the producer

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The USDA is not the ones that are constantly saying this is Canada's fault and we don't need the ID system and if it wasn't for the live Canadian cattle we wouldn't have to worry about our feed system being contaminated and We have the Safest beef in the world as we are BSE free those are LEO, BILL and the rest of you R-CALFers words. So don't even try that lie on us. The USDA is telling you that the new minimal risk rules have got to be put in place if you ever plan on trading with other countries as you yourself are minimal risk. But no you and your Senators think threatening your trading partners with trade sanctions will get your export markets open even though you are telling them with your court actions and passing of bills that you don't trust beef or cattle from a country that has higher standards than you do and you are in the same risk catagory with. :x

 

[rancher]

But no you and your Senators think threatening your trading partners with trade sanctions will get your export markets open even though you are telling them with your court actions and passing of bills that you don't trust beef or cattle from a country that has higher standards than you do and you are in the same risk catagory with.

I am not for threatening people that buy from me. USDA and NCBA are pushing that one.

You may THINK you have higher standards, but you have how many cases of BSE and we have none. If we have a case then we deal with it the same way we want you to DEAL with it. No rule changes to fit the flavor of the day.

WOMEN!!!!!!

 

[SASH]

You may THINK you have higher standards, but you have how many cases of BSE and we have none

How many cases of BSE have made it into the American food chain? We have none.

 

[Mike]

You may THINK you have higher standards, but you have how many cases of BSE and we have none

How many cases of BSE have made it into the American food chain? We have none.

Correction: None that you know of.

 

[rancher]

You just fed your back to the cattle in feed. Were the srm's removed from the beef that made it into the food chain here?

 

[SASH]

I don't believe they were because that policy wasn't implemented until after you had your fist case.

 

[Mike]

You just fed your back to the cattle in feed. Were the srm's removed from the beef that made it into the food chain here?

I don't believe SRM's were being removed at that time. Most of the meat was captured in recall and very little was eaten even after the USDA managed to screw up the recall.

 

[SASH]

You just fed your back to the cattle in feed

The ruminant feed ban has been in place up here since 1997 so no we didn't feed it back to our cattle.

 

[rancher]

But it was made into other feed right? I don't trust my neighbor on feeding what he should and shouldn't. I feel any risk materials should not go into any feed, dog food, pig, chicken or etc. Someone, somewhere, will screw up sometime.

 

[SASH]

But it was made into other feed right? I don't trust my neighbor on feeding what he should and shouldn't. I feel any risk materials should not go into any feed, dog food, pig, chicken or etc. Someone, somewhere, will screw up sometime.

I agree but we've been ahead of the US on this by a few months all the way along.

 

[rancher]

Good for you, hope we follow soon. But I doubt if it cuts into someone's pocket book it won't happen here.

 

[Tam]

You just fed your back to the cattle in feed. Were the srm's removed from the beef that made it into the food chain here?

The US had no law saying to remove them and if you look at the FDA recall success rate it was least than 50%. SRM removal from all cattle was not put in place until Jan 2004 after the fact. The first Canadian cow was condemned and made into pig and poultry feed and where there was a chance any cattle got the feed on mixed farming operations the cattle were taken and disposed of. And since we don't allow the feeding of chicken litter to our herd the possibility of cross comtamination is not there either. Unlike the US.

I am not for threatening people that buy from me. USDA and NCBA are pushing that one.

No but are you for threatening those that refuse to buy from you. Your Montana and half the other US Senators aren't beyond it.

I have to laugh USDA and the NCBA are telling people that if we want to be treated in a certain way then we have to be willing to treat others in that way. I.E. open the border to a minimal risk country like Canada if we expect the Japanese to open their border as we are minimal risk in their eyes. It is R-CALF supporters that called their Senators and pleaded with them to vote against the USDA and it was those same Senators that wrote letters to the Japanese government to threaten them. Burns and Baucus from Montana were the leaders of the pack so don't try tell us that the USDA and NCBA were the ones behind the threatening.

WOMEN!!!!!!

Your chauvinistic comment was not appreciated either rancher remember your wife is also a woman. So I hope she cuffes you for that comment. :x

 

[Tam]

You may THINK you have higher standards, but you have how many cases of BSE and we have none

How many cases of BSE have made it into the American food chain? We have none.

Correction: None that you know of.

Mike how many have made it into the US system undetected. If we go on what we know Canada none, US one.

 

[rancher]

You just fed your back to the cattle in feed. Were the srm's removed from the beef that made it into the food chain here?

The US had no law saying to remove them and if you look at the FDA recall success rate it was least than 50%. SRM removal from all cattle was not put in place until Jan 2004 after the fact. The first Canadian cow was condemned and made into pig and poultry feed and where there was a chance any cattle got the feed on mixed farming operations the cattle were taken and disposed of. And since we don't allow the feeding of chicken litter to our herd the possibility of cross comtamination is not there either. Unlike the US.

I AM AGAINST IT, CAN YOU READ?

I am not for threatening people that buy from me. USDA and NCBA are pushing that one.

No but are you for threatening those that refuse to buy from you. Your Montana and half the other US Senators aren't beyond it.

I AM NOT FOR THREATENING, CAN YOU READ?

I have to laugh USDA and the NCBA are telling people that if we want to be treated in a certain way then we have to be willing to treat others in that way. I.E. open the border to a minimal risk country like Canada if we expect the Japanese to open their border as we are minimal risk in their eyes. It is R-CALF supporters that called their Senators and pleaded with them to vote against the USDA and it was those same Senators that wrote letters to the Japanese government to threaten them. Burns and Baucus from Montana were the leaders of the pack so don't try tell us that the USDA and NCBA were the ones behind the threatening.

THEY MAY BE SUPPORTERS OF R-CALF,BUT THEY HAVE A MIND OF THEIR OWN. R-CALF IS BURNS OR BAUCUS. If you want to be treated the same then open the borders to otm beef from USA, see if all others follow suit.

WOMEN!!!!!!

Your chauvinistic comment was not appreciated either rancher remember your wife is also a woman. So I hope she cuffes you for that comment. :x

She says MEN all the time when she beats her head against the wall, and I say Women when I beat my head against the wall. We have humor at our house, the last time she cuffed me on the head was when I told her I thought the dryer shrunk her pants.

 

[Tam]

I AM AGAINST IT, CAN YOU READ?

Yes I can read and what you said was You just fed your back to the cattle in feed. But we didn't and you were wrong and we have rules in place so it would not be fed to them any other way either. So what are you against.

I AM NOT FOR THREATENING, CAN YOU READ?

yes I can read, you said you don't threaten people that BUY from you. Japan is not buying from you and the Senators are threatening them because of it . These are Senators that support R-CALF not the USDA or the NCBA.

If you want to be treated the same then open the borders to otm beef from USA, see if all others follow suit.

Again with the Canada gives in to U.S but to hell with U.S giving something back in good faith to Canada , why should we give up more to you I don't see any give in your stand or any possible short term solution to your court cases. Should we become a dumping ground for your unwanted beef? You are also minimal risk the new rule that you are so against also means you in many countries eyes including Japans

 

[cdncowboy]

Tam:"US producer response to US beef Indusrty change."


The way your guvment swept BSE under the rug on the 1993 positive animal is all the proof one needs.
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Just remember this was also a non-domestic animal it came from France!!! So it was the equivalent of the Washington case which also is being swept under the rug, if you could've found all the pieces!!

 

[Tam]

The 1993 case was a registered Saler from the UK. and Canada did not sweep her under a rug we found every animal the was remaining in Canada tested and disposed of them. Then the Feed ban was implemented to protect the herd from any possible spread of BSE by feed ruminants to ruminants.

Mike I would like to know what was supposed to be swept under a rug. Canada tested our herd before and after and we never found another case until n 2003 a whole decade later. If you say we weren't testing to the same percentage as the U.S. was you are kidding yourself as Canada tested a higher percentage. Looks to me if the U.S. possibly swept something as the U.S. never found all the UK cattle in 1993 or the Canada cattle now and that is why you are considered minimal risk now.

 

[Mike]

The 1993 case was a registered Saler from the UK. and Canada did not sweep her under a rug we found every animal the was remaining in Canada tested and disposed of them. Then the Feed ban was implemented to protect the herd from any possible spread of BSE by feed ruminants to ruminants.

Mike I would like to know what was supposed to be swept under a rug. Canada tested our herd before and after and we never found another case until n 2003 a whole decade later. If you say we weren't testing to the same percentage as the U.S. was you are kidding yourself as Canada tested a higher percentage. Looks to me if the U.S. possibly swept something as the U.S. never found all the UK cattle in 1993 or the Canada cattle now and that is why you are considered minimal risk now.

How many were tested in 2000 and 2001? I believe I read you only tested a few in those years. I'm no more critical of the CFIA than I am the USDA but do believe they dropped the ball on testing after the 1993 cow, thinking that there was no BSE in Canada.

 

[Tam]

In the Years following the decovery of the first cow Canada tested 10366 head (1993 through 2002) the US tested 36353 in that same time frame in a herd that is 7 times the size. And the US should have been looking just as hard as they imported more UK cattle and they imported more UK feed . They also never found all the UK cattle in 1993 like Canada did. The US tested about half as many animals as they should have to be testing the same as Canada. short some 36209 animals, but we dropped the ball did we? You have been dropping the ball all along and you still are as you are not testing the same percentage or the same risk catagory and why because you don't think there is BSE in the U.S. of A. well think again it is there. And yes the US did test a big number in 2004 after BSE was found in the U.S. but they have already said after they finish their one time shot they will be going back to 40,000 head per year and Canada will still be testing 30,000 head. :?

One more thing did the US beef industry learn anything about protecting themelves in the event of a BSE case in 1993 from us. Canada did we implemented a traceing system but the US dropped the ball there didn't they Did you improve on your Feed bans no you dropped the ball they too. Because you thought the US was BSE free so don't be telling us we dropped the ball as the ball is now in your court and you haven't even tried to pick it up.