1st day of Leachman animal abuse trial

[loomixguy]

And, as usual, Old Whiskeybreath is having a Viagra moment concerning someone who has (or had) more nickels than he does.

 

[hypocritexposer]

envy is the starting point of many rumors.

 

[gmacbeef]

AMEN- another example of a (supposed ) rich old bast*rd that decided he was powerful enough to run livestock anywhere- even where he had no leases anymore- not care for them- mistreat them and let their legs fall of or whatever.... NO wonder PETA and the HSUS are down big ranchings throats ....The Leachmans of the world make their case...
And I have to agree with them- if you can't care for them- you shouldn't own them....

Before that he (and the sons) screwed over many good cattle raisers that got sucked in by him as cooperators-- and then left holding the bills-- along with many MT farm and ranch suppliers that were left with nothing because they trusted this man-- that used to fly around in helicopters to put himself out as King Sh*t and import in escort women for his functions :roll: And acted like he couldn't understand why his wife left him and took half and why he went broke .... :roll:

But I see someone is back financing and promoting Leachman as the name in cattle raising... Sad that all it takes is $ financing promotion- and stirring a commotion of emotion to sell a lot of suckers bulls...

OT I seldom write to you or about you - but I had to respond to this one because of who I met today.

Let some horses suffer and die and you call the owner a quote - rich old bast*rd - end quote.

Someone lets a few good men - met the relative of one today by accident - die in Libya and you love him.

Well done OT - you do your country proud.

bc

Well- I'm not playing politics with you BC-especially the politics of the Crow Rez-- but if you lived in Montana- and were part of the hundreds/(thousands) left thru out the state holding unpaid bills by the Leachman outfit-- or some of the cooperaters in their sales (some of which were friends) that were never paid for the cattle Leachman sold as his own-- while they flew around to all the promotional events in a helicopter and brought in booze, beefsteaks and women to these events to look like King Sh*t- you might realize why I DO NOT RESPECT THAT TYPE OF FOLKS......Especially when they arrogantly think they can trespass 800 head of horses on land they no longer own/control- and don't think they have any responsibility to care for them....

Good folks don't treat livestock that way... And folks like Leachman is what gives the HSUS and PETA folks more standing in this country,,

But you have no trouble supporting Oblamea ,who is TRAMPLING & TRESPASSING ALL OVER THE CONSTITUTION & AMERICAN PEOPLE ?

 

[okfarmer]

Huh, another missed question by OT I guess.

You might want to look into some reading glasses.

 

[Anonymous]

Leachman sentenced to jail

1 hour ago • By Jan Falstad


Yellowstone County Justice of the Peace Larry Herman sentenced Billings livestock breeder James Leachman to five years in the Yellowstone County Detention Facility, with all but 120 days suspended, for horse abuse on Wednesday afternoon.

The judge also fined Leachman $5,000 and prohibited him from owning cows or horses for the duration of his sentence.

Leachman was taken into custody immediately after sentencing.

Leachman said he will appeal. He may be released from custody pending appeal if he posts a $5,000 bond.

Leachman could have been sentenced to a maximum five years in jail and a $5,000 fine.

On Dec. 4, a six-person Justice Court jury found Leachman guilty of all five misdemeanor counts for abusing at least five of more than 800 horses he raised on a Crow Reservation ranch east of Billings.

The Yellowstone County Attorney's Office convinced the jury that Leachman was negligent for not adjusting or removing plastic leg bands that he used to help identify the horses. The bands eventually caused the death of four of the five horses identified in the charges, prosecutors argued.

In his defense, Leachman testified that something else caused the injuries to his Hairpin Cavvy brand horses. He also said he would use the bands, designed for dairy cattle, again.


Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/leachman-sentenced-to-jail/article_8e9554f4-861c-5a6a-bb7c-4b7b2c6b8afb.html#ixzz2EspPQ05Q

 

[TexasBred]

I've never used leg bands on horses but have used them hundreds of times on dairy cattle. They basically are little more than large zip ties. Applied properly they cause zero harm to anything. The pictures I looked at and was able to enlarge didn't appear to have any injuries that I would consider related to the leg bands. They actually just seemed to be environmental type injuries. Bands are typically applied just tight enough to keep them from slipping over the hoof and falling off. There are alternative bands which are little more than velcro strips but they come off easily and are not widely used.

 

[Anonymous]

I've never used leg bands on horses but have used them hundreds of times on dairy cattle. They basically are little more than large zip ties. Applied properly they cause zero harm to anything. The pictures I looked at and was able to enlarge didn't appear to have any injuries that I would consider related to the leg bands. They actually just seemed to be environmental type injuries. Bands are typically applied just tight enough to keep them from slipping over the hoof and falling off. There are alternative bands which are little more than velcro strips but they come off easily and are not widely used.

Yep Daddy was right-- Texans even know more (or think they do) than several Veterinarians, longtime State Brand Inspectors, some of the top horsemen in the world, and the Montana Jurors (who don't easily convict on animal cruelty cases).... :wink: :lol: :roll:

Bands might have worked here too- if they hadn't been put on when the animals were still growing- young/foals- if the animals were being taken care of like most folks do- and not then turned loose on the Crow rez and never touched again for years...

You should read the comments on FB and the newspaper articles from the folks around the state that have had to deal with him for years... Many thought a 5 year prison sentence for each horse would be more fitting.... I don't think the man has anyone in this state that has any respect for him anymore- the reason he had to go to Missouri to get someone to be a character reference in the trial...

Personally- I think the Judge did a good job with the sentencing- and handed down a fair sentence ...
BUT I'll bet we haven't seen the last of those pictures of Leachman and the horses- as they will be showing up on PETA/HSUS ads worldwide...

 

[mrj]

Isn't judgement of one accused of a crime supposed to be based ONLY on evidence, rather than on facebook comments re. how someone alledges they were mistreated by the accused in years past? Or even how HSUS may (or even assuredly will) use the 'evidence' of animal abuse.

An interesting aside to this case is how some folks' favorite organizations partner with HSUS when it suits their own vendetta.

mrj

 

[TexasBred]

I've never used leg bands on horses but have used them hundreds of times on dairy cattle. They basically are little more than large zip ties. Applied properly they cause zero harm to anything. The pictures I looked at and was able to enlarge didn't appear to have any injuries that I would consider related to the leg bands. They actually just seemed to be environmental type injuries. Bands are typically applied just tight enough to keep them from slipping over the hoof and falling off. There are alternative bands which are little more than velcro strips but they come off easily and are not widely used.

Yep Daddy was right-- Texans even know more (or think they do) than several Veterinarians, longtime State Brand Inspectors, some of the top horsemen in the world, and the Montana Jurors (who don't easily convict on animal cruelty cases).... :wink: :lol: :roll:

Bands might have worked here too- if they hadn't been put on when the animals were still growing- young/foals- if the animals were being taken care of like most folks do- and not then turned loose on the Crow rez and never touched again for years...

You should read the comments on FB and the newspaper articles from the folks around the state that have had to deal with him for years... Many thought a 5 year prison sentence for each horse would be more fitting.... I don't think the man has anyone in this state that has any respect for him anymore- the reason he had to go to Missouri to get someone to be a character reference in the trial...

Personally- I think the Judge did a good job with the sentencing- and handed down a fair sentence ...
BUT I'll bet we haven't seen the last of those pictures of Leachman and the horses- as they will be showing up on PETA/HSUS ads worldwide...

OT I said the injuries I could blow up large enough to look at absolutely did not look like those plastic bands could have caused it. These were "spot" injuries. But expert witnesses say exactly waht they are paid to say. The same folks that testified for the prosecution MAY well be testifying for the defense next week IF they get to them early and pay more. Hell you were in court a few times and I bet you've seen this (or were you dozing)?? I know I've seen it....actually hired expert witnesses. They follow instructions well because they know who's cutting their check.

 

[Anonymous]

I've never used leg bands on horses but have used them hundreds of times on dairy cattle. They basically are little more than large zip ties. Applied properly they cause zero harm to anything. The pictures I looked at and was able to enlarge didn't appear to have any injuries that I would consider related to the leg bands. They actually just seemed to be environmental type injuries. Bands are typically applied just tight enough to keep them from slipping over the hoof and falling off. There are alternative bands which are little more than velcro strips but they come off easily and are not widely used.

Yep Daddy was right-- Texans even know more (or think they do) than several Veterinarians, longtime State Brand Inspectors, some of the top horsemen in the world, and the Montana Jurors (who don't easily convict on animal cruelty cases).... :wink: :lol: :roll:

Bands might have worked here too- if they hadn't been put on when the animals were still growing- young/foals- if the animals were being taken care of like most folks do- and not then turned loose on the Crow rez and never touched again for years...

You should read the comments on FB and the newspaper articles from the folks around the state that have had to deal with him for years... Many thought a 5 year prison sentence for each horse would be more fitting.... I don't think the man has anyone in this state that has any respect for him anymore- the reason he had to go to Missouri to get someone to be a character reference in the trial...

Personally- I think the Judge did a good job with the sentencing- and handed down a fair sentence ...
BUT I'll bet we haven't seen the last of those pictures of Leachman and the horses- as they will be showing up on PETA/HSUS ads worldwide...

OT I said the injuries I could blow up large enough to look at absolutely did not look like those plastic bands could have caused it. These were "spot" injuries. But expert witnesses say exactly waht they are paid to say. The same folks that testified for the prosecution MAY well be testifying for the defense next week IF they get to them early and pay more. Hell you were in court a few times and I bet you've seen this (or were you dozing)?? I know I've seen it....actually hired expert witnesses. They follow instructions well because they know who's cutting their check.

So are you saying you think the Yellowstone County Sheriffs Dept, Montana Dept. of Livestock, Yellowstone County Attornies Office, BIA, etal all conspired together and paid expert witness's to railroad old Leachman... :???:

You have been living too long in wingernut conspiracy land... :roll: :lol: :lol:

 

[Whitewing]

I don't think the man has anyone in this state that has any respect for him anymore-

Like that would slow him down. You've hardly got any respect on this site yet you keep coming back for more. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Hereford76]

Isn't judgement of one accused of a crime supposed to be based ONLY on evidence, rather than on facebook comments re. how someone alledges they were mistreated by the accused in years past? Or even how HSUS may (or even assuredly will) use the 'evidence' of animal abuse.

An interesting aside to this case is how some folks' favorite organizations partner with HSUS when it suits their own vendetta.

mrj

care to elaborate?

somehow this whole story feels like there is more to it - but don't really have a clue. would be interesting to hear a little more about some of the background noise with maybe some of the neighbors...

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Isn't judgement of one accused of a crime supposed to be based ONLY on evidence, rather than on facebook comments re. how someone alledges they were mistreated by the accused in years past? Or even how HSUS may (or even assuredly will) use the 'evidence' of animal abuse.

An interesting aside to this case is how some folks' favorite organizations partner with HSUS when it suits their own vendetta.

mrj

care to elaborate?

somehow this whole story feels like there is more to it - but don't really have a clue. would be interesting to hear a little more about some of the background noise with maybe some of the neighbors...

This might have something to do with it.
http://farmprogress.com/story-r-calf-alleges-beef-checkoff-abuse-0-62881

 

[cowman52]

Deserves every minute!

 

[Lonecowboy]

I've never used leg bands on horses but have used them hundreds of times on dairy cattle. They basically are little more than large zip ties. Applied properly they cause zero harm to anything. The pictures I looked at and was able to enlarge didn't appear to have any injuries that I would consider related to the leg bands. They actually just seemed to be environmental type injuries. Bands are typically applied just tight enough to keep them from slipping over the hoof and falling off. There are alternative bands which are little more than velcro strips but they come off easily and are not widely used.

Yep Daddy was right-- Texans even know more (or think they do) than several Veterinarians, longtime State Brand Inspectors, some of the top horsemen in the world, and the Montana Jurors (who don't easily convict on animal cruelty cases).... :wink: :lol: :roll:

Bands might have worked here too- if they hadn't been put on when the animals were still growing- young/foals- if the animals were being taken care of like most folks do- and not then turned loose on the Crow rez and never touched again for years...

You should read the comments on FB and the newspaper articles from the folks around the state that have had to deal with him for years... Many thought a 5 year prison sentence for each horse would be more fitting.... I don't think the man has anyone in this state that has any respect for him anymore- the reason he had to go to Missouri to get someone to be a character reference in the trial...

Personally- I think the Judge did a good job with the sentencing- and handed down a fair sentence ...
BUT I'll bet we haven't seen the last of those pictures of Leachman and the horses- as they will be showing up on PETA/HSUS ads worldwide...

5 head out of 800+ = .00625%
I wonder what statistics the BLM has on crippled horses?
Should BLM employees be held to these same standards oldtimer?

 

[Anonymous]

I've never used leg bands on horses but have used them hundreds of times on dairy cattle. They basically are little more than large zip ties. Applied properly they cause zero harm to anything. The pictures I looked at and was able to enlarge didn't appear to have any injuries that I would consider related to the leg bands. They actually just seemed to be environmental type injuries. Bands are typically applied just tight enough to keep them from slipping over the hoof and falling off. There are alternative bands which are little more than velcro strips but they come off easily and are not widely used.

Yep Daddy was right-- Texans even know more (or think they do) than several Veterinarians, longtime State Brand Inspectors, some of the top horsemen in the world, and the Montana Jurors (who don't easily convict on animal cruelty cases).... :wink: :lol: :roll:

Bands might have worked here too- if they hadn't been put on when the animals were still growing- young/foals- if the animals were being taken care of like most folks do- and not then turned loose on the Crow rez and never touched again for years...

You should read the comments on FB and the newspaper articles from the folks around the state that have had to deal with him for years... Many thought a 5 year prison sentence for each horse would be more fitting.... I don't think the man has anyone in this state that has any respect for him anymore- the reason he had to go to Missouri to get someone to be a character reference in the trial...

Personally- I think the Judge did a good job with the sentencing- and handed down a fair sentence ...
BUT I'll bet we haven't seen the last of those pictures of Leachman and the horses- as they will be showing up on PETA/HSUS ads worldwide...

5 head out of 800+ = .00625%
I wonder what statistics the BLM has on crippled horses?
Should BLM employees be held to these same standards oldtimer?

I would bet that BLM employees are held to much higher standards... I'm sure if a BLM employee was notified of injured or suffering horses under their care, animals lacking feed and/or water or animals trespassing on someone elses leases they would be probably be kicking their lunch can down the road if they didn't act...

The main thing that formed the intent in this case was the fact Leachman had been informed multiple times of the issues-over a period of time- BUT still did nothing to remedy the situation after being informed over and over of it....

 

[Whitewing]

OT I said the injuries I could blow up large enough to look at absolutely did not look like those plastic bands could have caused it. These were "spot" injuries. But expert witnesses say exactly waht they are paid to say. The same folks that testified for the prosecution MAY well be testifying for the defense next week IF they get to them early and pay more. Hell you were in court a few times and I bet you've seen this (or were you dozing)?? I know I've seen it....actually hired expert witnesses. They follow instructions well because they know who's cutting their check.

So are you saying you think the Yellowstone County Sheriffs Dept, Montana Dept. of Livestock, Yellowstone County Attornies Office, BIA, etal all conspired together and paid expert witness's to railroad old Leachman... :???:

You have been living too long in wingernut conspiracy land... :roll: :lol: :lol:

TB said NOTHING like what you imply he said.

OT, a question. Why do you always have to twist the words a poster uses or just outright put words in their mouths? Can't you just respond directly and support your argument?

I read the same thing you read and TB was clearly talking about the testimony of PAID expert witnesses. And he is, of course, 100% right in that regard.

Anyone who has ever dealt with court cases where paid expert witnesses are presented, take into account that the implied bias of their testimony.

Yesterday I thought my disdain for you and your manner was at its nadir, but I was obviously mistaken.

 

[Anonymous]

OT I said the injuries I could blow up large enough to look at absolutely did not look like those plastic bands could have caused it. These were "spot" injuries. But expert witnesses say exactly waht they are paid to say. The same folks that testified for the prosecution MAY well be testifying for the defense next week IF they get to them early and pay more. Hell you were in court a few times and I bet you've seen this (or were you dozing)?? I know I've seen it....actually hired expert witnesses. They follow instructions well because they know who's cutting their check.

So are you saying you think the Yellowstone County Sheriffs Dept, Montana Dept. of Livestock, Yellowstone County Attornies Office, BIA, etal all conspired together and paid expert witness's to railroad old Leachman... :???:

You have been living too long in wingernut conspiracy land... :roll: :lol: :lol:

TB said NOTHING like what you imply he said.

OT, a question. Why do you always have to twist the words a poster uses or just outright put words in their mouths? Can't you just respond directly and support your argument?

I read the same thing you read and TB was clearly talking about the testimony of PAID expert witnesses. And he is, of course, 100% right in that regard.

Anyone who has ever dealt with court cases where paid expert witnesses are presented, take into account that the implied bias of their testimony.

Yesterday I thought my disdain for you and your manner was at its nadir, but I was obviously mistaken.

Bullpuckey-- why even bring up paying witness's for their testimony unless that is what you are insinuating.... Too me its a slap in the face of the law enforcement officers, veterinarians, and Livestock Inspectors that spent countless hours having to work this case...
But with old TB being an anti all government rightwingernut that would like to see the country delve into anarchy- this does not surprise...

 

[Mike]

TB......................... a proponent of anarchy?

I must have missed it.





:roll:

 

[Lonecowboy]

Yep Daddy was right-- Texans even know more (or think they do) than several Veterinarians, longtime State Brand Inspectors, some of the top horsemen in the world, and the Montana Jurors (who don't easily convict on animal cruelty cases).... :wink: :lol: :roll:

Bands might have worked here too- if they hadn't been put on when the animals were still growing- young/foals- if the animals were being taken care of like most folks do- and not then turned loose on the Crow rez and never touched again for years...

You should read the comments on FB and the newspaper articles from the folks around the state that have had to deal with him for years... Many thought a 5 year prison sentence for each horse would be more fitting.... I don't think the man has anyone in this state that has any respect for him anymore- the reason he had to go to Missouri to get someone to be a character reference in the trial...

Personally- I think the Judge did a good job with the sentencing- and handed down a fair sentence ...
BUT I'll bet we haven't seen the last of those pictures of Leachman and the horses- as they will be showing up on PETA/HSUS ads worldwide...

5 head out of 800+ = .00625%
I wonder what statistics the BLM has on crippled horses?
Should BLM employees be held to these same standards oldtimer?

I would bet that BLM employees are held to much higher standards... quote]

WRONG!

14 dead out of 1639= .0085%
15** dead out of 1799= .0083%
**Includes two horses euthanized in the HMA
due to pre-existing debilitating leg injuries.

so even 13 dead out of 1799= .0072%
all of these percentages are higher than Jim Leachmans.

Now this doesn't indicate if the pre-exsisting debilitating leg injuries were caused by leg bands or not, but I assume not--- gosh you mean horses could get hurt legs with or without leg bands? Whoda thunk it!

I am not defending Leachman or his practices- just pointing out to you and your government loving ways oldtimer that this was NOT justice served. "With Liberty and Justice for all"
Government is holding Jim Leachman to higher standards than they hold themselves to.

Oh- and here is a Link to the information I quoted:

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/eaglelake/wild_horse_and_burro/twinpeaksgather.html