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Their ad says" If you have to dig yourself out of a mess created by the entrepreneurs of EPD's you really need to know Angus pedigrees. Otherwise you are probably looking at a black animal of mongrelized breeding. At Saddle Butte Ranch we are trying to create range-efficient bloodstock from proven genetics using the great prepotent bulls of the past when Angus was actually a breed. We are a real world program aimed at exclusively at improving maternal function."

They use some Wye, Octoraro, Emulation 31,and Shoshone Viking.

What do you think?
 
I went and looked at their website.... I guess if you don't toot your own horn, nobody will do it for you...
from their website....
"most angus seedstock producers are in a mindless race for single trait superiority while we are able to work with such excellent blood."
The genetics they are using are older, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I don't think they need to completely reinvent the Angus breed, or take it back to 1978

but that's just my opinion :-) :-) :-)
 
I just got 30 straws of Viking GD60 bought it last fall and got it picked up last week.I payed $25 per straw plus $5 per for a guy to pick it up for me.They sold some a couple weeks back for $230 a straw.Some Rito 707 semen brought $10,000 for one ampule.Word in the Angus world is alot of the High Rollers are looking back trying to fix a mess.

Anyone who know's Viking Genetic's will know they are'nt small dumpy cattle.Just real good maternal,cattle that produce well into their teens.

I think Saddle Butte Has alot to offer.More than Stevenson's and Schaffs in my book.But what do I know my cows dont have calves with 1000# weaning weights.with no creep what a crock those big guy's are.genetics my ash.
 
Seems to me it's not in the best interest of your sale to half way insult others in order to point out the positive of one's own program. :?
 
Denny said:
I just got 30 straws of Viking GD60 bought it last fall and got it picked up last week.I payed $25 per straw plus $5 per for a guy to pick it up for me.They sold some a couple weeks back for $230 a straw.Some Rito 707 semen brought $10,000 for one ampule.Word in the Angus world is alot of the High Rollers are looking back trying to fix a mess.

Anyone who know's Viking Genetic's will know they are'nt small dumpy cattle.Just real good maternal,cattle that produce well into their teens.

I think Saddle Butte Has alot to offer.More than Stevenson's and Schaffs in my book.But what do I know my cows dont have calves with 1000# weaning weights.with no creep what a crock those big guy's are.genetics my ash.
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I have to agree with you Denny as that is the direction I'm trying to go now....A few years of using the high power performance bulls started to lose me the maternal qualities I've had and prefer....

This fall I bought a little bull # 15800327 that is a son of Legacy (makes him a grandson of 707) and goes back several times to some of the tops in the maternal "whos who"-- 707- DHD Traveller 6807- and Viking GD 60- as well as once back to EXT....I liked his looks and the cowherd he comes from...Now all a guy can do is wait and see how all this clics- and what he will throw in future years....I'm going to use him as a cleanup on the heifers and on the registered cows...

My son is heading to another "maternal" sale the end of the month (Cole Creek Angus) looking to pick up some more heifers and he will pick up this bull and and a heifer #15802668- along with a Wye son bull #15800329 (Bannon of Wye)-( which should also have good maternal qualities with 602C as mgs)- I bought at the same sale- and I'll get to see how they are growing out ....None of which will blow any EPD scales- but they are the "type" cattle that I like....

I don't think the Legacy son will be much more than a 4 frame with his pedigree- or know how he will work out-- but I do know following the "trend" bulls that were in every sale was getting me more cows that came in as 3 or 4 years olds open or late, with more bad bags, and bigger and harder keeping- and no real gain in weaning weights, which up here many times depend more on rain, water available, and grass conditions....
 
Mrs.Greg said:
Red Robin said:
This fad too shall pass.
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Yup...then hopefully back to the good old basics of Herfords and Shorthorns :D
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Thats what I've said many times-- which is the fad?- "the bigger, better, fasters" or the basic hereford and angus maternal cattle that folks keep going back to(you can't even find an old basic range shorthorn down here anymore I don't think- and then if you could the buyers down here would dock you for the extra white or roanie color. :roll: )....
The cycle seems to always come back to those old basic angus/hereford cattle that can thrive without a lot of supplement and extras- and the type that don't cost an arm and leg to winter......
 
Oldtimer said:
Denny said:
I just got 30 straws of Viking GD60 bought it last fall and got it picked up last week.I payed $25 per straw plus $5 per for a guy to pick it up for me.They sold some a couple weeks back for $230 a straw.Some Rito 707 semen brought $10,000 for one ampule.Word in the Angus world is alot of the High Rollers are looking back trying to fix a mess.

Anyone who know's Viking Genetic's will know they are'nt small dumpy cattle.Just real good maternal,cattle that produce well into their teens.

I think Saddle Butte Has alot to offer.More than Stevenson's and Schaffs in my book.But what do I know my cows dont have calves with 1000# weaning weights.with no creep what a crock those big guy's are.genetics my ash.
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I have to agree with you Denny as that is the direction I'm trying to go now....A few years of using the high power performance bulls started to lose me the maternal qualities I've had and prefer....

This fall I bought a little bull # 15800327 that is a son of Legacy (makes him a grandson of 707) and goes back several times to some of the tops in the maternal "whos who"-- 707- DHD Traveller 6807- and Viking GD 60- as well as once back to EXT....I liked his looks and the cowherd he comes from...Now all a guy can do is wait and see how all this clics- and what he will throw in future years....I'm going to use him as a cleanup on the heifers and on the registered cows...

My son is heading to another "maternal" sale the end of the month (Cole Creek Angus) looking to pick up some more heifers and he will pick up this bull and and a heifer #15802668- along with a Wye son bull #15800329 (Bannon of Wye)-( which should also have good maternal qualities with 602C as mgs)- I bought at the same sale- and I'll get to see how they are growing out ....None of which will blow any EPD scales- but they are the "type" cattle that I like....

I don't think the Legacy son will be much more than a 4 frame with his pedigree- or know how he will work out-- but I do know following the "trend" bulls that were in every sale was getting me more cows that came in as 3 or 4 years olds open or late, with more bad bags, and bigger and harder keeping- and no real gain in weaning weights, which up here many times depend more on rain, water available, and grass conditions....
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I posted this on cattletoday as they had a thread going on Legacy 3R9...Thought I'd stick it over here too..

My son was at a sale a couple weeks ago and got the little bulls I bought last fall including the Legacy 3R9 son...I finally got a couple pictures of him- because there was some interest in Legacy sons...You can get an idea of how the Legacy's look...His mgs was Indreland EXT 0501 (should be good maternal as he has quite a bit of 707, Viking and Emulation influence)- BW was 78- WW was 639 and he weighed right at 1000 lbs a month ago- will mature at about a 4 frame bull...He was wintered on and is on just grass and hay- and is in perfect shape to go to work in a couple of months....

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Whitney Creek Legacy 726T #15800327

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Posing

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The bull on the left is a Bannon of Wye son that I bought at the same ranch- #15800329...I couldn't get a good side or rear view of him because he kept walking up and wanting his ears scratched as he checked out (and licked) the camera... :roll:
 
Saddle Butte Ranch is not anything like Kit Pharo. They have their own program of useful, older genetics. I have friends that really wanted to use the Octaro bull, but he died and they didn't want to sell any semen from him. I have not been to their place, but I hope to go someday. I think it might be very interesting.

I always read their ads; as I think they are on the right track. But you can't insult people in this industry either--it just doesn't work.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Their ad says" If you have to dig yourself out of a mess created by the entrepreneurs of EPD's you really need to know Angus pedigrees. Otherwise you are probably looking at a black animal of mongrelized breeding. At Saddle Butte Ranch we are trying to create range-efficient bloodstock from proven genetics using the great prepotent bulls of the past when Angus was actually a breed. We are a real world program aimed at exclusively at improving maternal function."

They use some Wye, Octoraro, Emulation 31,and Shoshone Viking.

What do you think?
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Since you started this thread BMR.... what do you think?
 
Northern Rancher said:
What are their feet like?
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Feet look good NR- the old Bannon bull had some of the nicest big feet I saw on a bull- was 8 years old and Taylor said no problems ever....
 
I just looked at their add in the Western Livestock Journal the '06 edition. Quite frankly the pictures don't do much for me-that one younger bull wouldn't make a good roping steer-unless he just bred 100 cows in the middle of the desert!!! If I ever get down there I'd stop in there more on your folks reccommendations than what I saw in their ad.
 
FH said:
But you can't insult people in this industry either--it just doesn't work.
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Never knew so many cattlemen were in touch with their "feelings"!! :o :shock: :wink:
Then again, it seems to work for Kit..."raise 'em like you ought to!!!" :lol: :lol: 8)
 
Going that far back on the genetic line may produce some better cattle. A lot of the reason I am a hereford breeder is the cattle I saw bringing top dollar in the late 90's for herd sires. I have always thought the late 80's was the prime of the angus breed. The trouble with reaching the ideal is you have to stay there. That creates trouble with your customers because your cattle aren't "better" than they were a few years ago.

Anytime the industry passes you going from one way to the other, stay the course because they will be back.
 

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