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per
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I haven't figured out the quote thing yet. That was my first try. The first sentence was Doug's and the second was mine.
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RobertMac said:
NAH- I like it better when I only have to see those cows every couple of months or so-- and they do all the work at much less cost...
On the old genetics- one of the nicer looking bulls that Cole Creek has is an 02 model Goldmere out of an old 1967 model bull they pulled out of the semen tank- Juanada Goldmere of PJM....His sons and daughters were the hot ones at this years sale...
PureCountry
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Oldtimer said:Oldtimer said:
I posted this on cattletoday as they had a thread going on Legacy 3R9...Thought I'd stick it over here too..
My son was at a sale a couple weeks ago and got the little bulls I bought last fall including the Legacy 3R9 son...I finally got a couple pictures of him- because there was some interest in Legacy sons...You can get an idea of how the Legacy's look...His mgs was Indreland EXT 0501 (should be good maternal as he has quite a bit of 707, Viking and Emulation influence)- BW was 78- WW was 639 and he weighed right at 1000 lbs a month ago- will mature at about a 4 frame bull...He was wintered on and is on just grass and hay- and is in perfect shape to go to work in a couple of months....
Whitney Creek Legacy 726T #15800327
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The bull on the left is a Bannon of Wye son that I bought at the same ranch- #15800329...I couldn't get a good side or rear view of him because he kept walking up and wanting his ears scratched as he checked out (and licked) the camera... :roll:
I'd like to see him more masculine - more crest, mainly. He looks kinda "show steery" for lack of a better term. Although his lines are good, and he shows plenty of depth.
RobertMac
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per said:
per, highlight the sentence you want quoted, then click the "Quote" button or
put the curser at the beginning of what you want quoted, click the "Quote" button and then put the curser at the end of what you want quoted, click the "Quote*" button. If you want to add a name, in the first bracketed quote, add ="name"...so it looks like this
per said:Hope this helps.
Northern Rancher
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Anybody who'd run a bull like that Calvour of Wye thing is suspect in my books!!! He's got one of the worst 'grip of death's' behind his shoulders I've ever seen. I realize it's a yearling picture but cattle that look like that in our country usually end up pushing a turd out for a coyote fairly soon.
nortexsook
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>>I always read their ads; as I think they are on the right track. But you can't insult people in this industry either--it just doesn't work.<<
Why not? Somebody gonna get there widdle feelings hurt? I just don't understand all the animosity towards these outfits that speak their mind on a subject. It's weird. Cowboys / Cattlemen / Stockman are supposed to be a tough lot but (at least on the internet forums) everybody's always getting their little feelings hurt.
As far as working, seems like Kit and Saddle Butte and some others are doing OK with this method, so it would seem you are WRONG when you state "it won't work".
Why not? Somebody gonna get there widdle feelings hurt? I just don't understand all the animosity towards these outfits that speak their mind on a subject. It's weird. Cowboys / Cattlemen / Stockman are supposed to be a tough lot but (at least on the internet forums) everybody's always getting their little feelings hurt.
As far as working, seems like Kit and Saddle Butte and some others are doing OK with this method, so it would seem you are WRONG when you state "it won't work".
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PureCountry said:Oldtimer said:Oldtimer said:
I posted this on cattletoday as they had a thread going on Legacy 3R9...Thought I'd stick it over here too..
My son was at a sale a couple weeks ago and got the little bulls I bought last fall including the Legacy 3R9 son...I finally got a couple pictures of him- because there was some interest in Legacy sons...You can get an idea of how the Legacy's look...His mgs was Indreland EXT 0501 (should be good maternal as he has quite a bit of 707, Viking and Emulation influence)- BW was 78- WW was 639 and he weighed right at 1000 lbs a month ago- will mature at about a 4 frame bull...He was wintered on and is on just grass and hay- and is in perfect shape to go to work in a couple of months....
Whitney Creek Legacy 726T #15800327
Posing
The bull on the left is a Bannon of Wye son that I bought at the same ranch- #15800329...I couldn't get a good side or rear view of him because he kept walking up and wanting his ears scratched as he checked out (and licked) the camera... :roll:
I'd like to see him more masculine - more crest, mainly. He looks kinda "show steery" for lack of a better term. Although his lines are good, and he shows plenty of depth.
Purecountry- if there is a negative to the old Rito Legacy 3R9 bull- that might be it- he is negative scrotal- and from what I've heard his sons are slower maturing for masculinity- altho as an adult I heard he had a 44.5 scrotal measurement and was producing good...
Another feature about him that those that have used him some already is that they believe his CED may go down a little and his BW may go up a little as he's used more- if for no other reason than the amount of muscling in the calves...
My thoughts are with the maternal background in his pedigree (Rito 707, 6807, Shoshone Viking , Emulation) he might stand the chance of being a good moderate framed mama cow maker... Only time will tell...
Faster horses
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nortext--I beg your pardon.
I DID NOT mean that moderate cattle don't work. I meant insulting people doesn't work.
Anyone that has been on here any length of time, knows I have been an advocate of moderate cattle for years...so much so, that we bought Wye bulls, 707 Rito lineage bulls, a Pharo bull, etc. etc. I have long admired DeBoo Angus program at Valier, Mt. Theirs is a program based on raising moderate cattle with good dispositions; scoring their cows on udder quality and ratioing cow weight to calf weaning weight.
And I think Rito 707 was one of the best all around bulls in the breed along with Viking GD60.
Denny and I have had numerous conversations about Viking GD60 and what a great line of cattle the Vikings were/are. I'm happy that he has some sons. Not many producers do.
I have sold production sale advertising to seedstock producers for years and I have gotten to talk to a whole bunch of interesting people/bull raisers. NONE, I will say that again, NONE had a negative word to say about Viking cattle and Viking GD60.
I also spent a day with Larry Leonhardt (Shoshone Angus, Cowley, Wyoming) and I'll tell you that was an unforgettable experience. He got off the performance train wreck in 1979.
I don't know what you read in my earlier post, but it certainly wasn't that moderate cattle don't work. NEVER would I say or insinuate that.
I DID NOT mean that moderate cattle don't work. I meant insulting people doesn't work.
Anyone that has been on here any length of time, knows I have been an advocate of moderate cattle for years...so much so, that we bought Wye bulls, 707 Rito lineage bulls, a Pharo bull, etc. etc. I have long admired DeBoo Angus program at Valier, Mt. Theirs is a program based on raising moderate cattle with good dispositions; scoring their cows on udder quality and ratioing cow weight to calf weaning weight.
And I think Rito 707 was one of the best all around bulls in the breed along with Viking GD60.
Denny and I have had numerous conversations about Viking GD60 and what a great line of cattle the Vikings were/are. I'm happy that he has some sons. Not many producers do.
I have sold production sale advertising to seedstock producers for years and I have gotten to talk to a whole bunch of interesting people/bull raisers. NONE, I will say that again, NONE had a negative word to say about Viking cattle and Viking GD60.
I also spent a day with Larry Leonhardt (Shoshone Angus, Cowley, Wyoming) and I'll tell you that was an unforgettable experience. He got off the performance train wreck in 1979.
I don't know what you read in my earlier post, but it certainly wasn't that moderate cattle don't work. NEVER would I say or insinuate that.
nortexsook
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You read right. I wasn't saying anything about moderate cattle (I like 'em, I breed 'em). I was saying that I don't see why everybody is so sensitive when other's give their opinions or say things like "raise em like you ought to". If those kind of things bother you then I think you (not you specifically) are being too sensitive. And we sure seem to have a lot of sensitive people on these boards.
Soapweed
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nortexsook said:
Nortexsook, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the ones feeling picked upon when unflattering things were being inferred about Herefords? :???: :?
nortexsook
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>>Nortexsook, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the ones feeling picked upon when unflattering things were being inferred about Herefords<<
Nope! I said something along the lines of "funny all the Hereford bashing", "maybe the natives are getting restless". More to note the defensiveness I sensed in you Angus folks. I sure didn't have my feelings hurt, I actually thought it was funny, in relation to the strength of all the Hereford sales that I have seen or read about this spring. (Hence, my use of the word FUNNY in the title)
BTW, I don't own a Hereford cow. I own black cows and have run Hereford bulls. I am thinking of starting a small herd of Herefords. I think the breed has a lot to offer in these times of high fuel and grain costs. Have they had problems in the past? Sure, all breeds have.
As my name denotes, I live in North Texas. I know the ranch manager for one of the largest ranches (# head & # acres)(large than Rhode Island, I think) in the world. I ask him about 10 years ago when I, too, wore the black blinders, why they messed with those *darned* Herefords? His reply was that if it weren't for they're eyes they'd be the perfect cow.
Trust me, I have a thick skin. I was just noting that some here don't seem to.
Nope! I said something along the lines of "funny all the Hereford bashing", "maybe the natives are getting restless". More to note the defensiveness I sensed in you Angus folks. I sure didn't have my feelings hurt, I actually thought it was funny, in relation to the strength of all the Hereford sales that I have seen or read about this spring. (Hence, my use of the word FUNNY in the title)
BTW, I don't own a Hereford cow. I own black cows and have run Hereford bulls. I am thinking of starting a small herd of Herefords. I think the breed has a lot to offer in these times of high fuel and grain costs. Have they had problems in the past? Sure, all breeds have.
As my name denotes, I live in North Texas. I know the ranch manager for one of the largest ranches (# head & # acres)(large than Rhode Island, I think) in the world. I ask him about 10 years ago when I, too, wore the black blinders, why they messed with those *darned* Herefords? His reply was that if it weren't for they're eyes they'd be the perfect cow.
Trust me, I have a thick skin. I was just noting that some here don't seem to.
leanin' H
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But you sure like stirrin' the pot and slammin' other folks as being below you! It's fine to have opinions on things but how about cuttin' people some slack like newbies and little producers. Your way works for you and some other folks do things differently, but it seems you always think they oughta changs (on here anyway). My two cents and take it for what it's worth! 
You do have a lot of good ideas and ya wake us up now and again. :wink:
You do have a lot of good ideas and ya wake us up now and again. :wink:nortexsook
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>>But you sure like stirrin' the pot and slammin' other folks as being below you!<<
I'll plead GUILTY on the first count. I do try to "stir the pot" a little. It makes the boards more interesting. On the second count, I sure don't in anyway think I am above or better than ANYBODY.
I am a Libertarian in my heart and soul, so my beliefs are that anyone should do whatever makes them happy (within the confines of the law), so if crossing Brahmans with Highlanders and breeding the resulting offspring to Watusi-Dexter Composites is what you want to do, more power to you. I just don't think if you post your pictures up and somebody says "My God, that's hideous you should get all teary about it".
I'll plead GUILTY on the first count. I do try to "stir the pot" a little. It makes the boards more interesting. On the second count, I sure don't in anyway think I am above or better than ANYBODY.
I am a Libertarian in my heart and soul, so my beliefs are that anyone should do whatever makes them happy (within the confines of the law), so if crossing Brahmans with Highlanders and breeding the resulting offspring to Watusi-Dexter Composites is what you want to do, more power to you. I just don't think if you post your pictures up and somebody says "My God, that's hideous you should get all teary about it".
Big Muddy rancher
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nortexsook said:
Now your dishin' my Watusi/ Dexters.
Boy you have crossed the line. :wink:Soapweed
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nortexsook said:
Isn't that about like saying, "I have the perfect horse if he just wasn't lame"?
One of my friends a few years ago asked me which vet did our eye work on cows. I told him which vet we mainly used, but also mentioned that I normally sold any bad-eyed cows while they were still marketable, so didn't have the vet take out any eyes. He was running about 300 head of cows at the time (all Herefords), but said he had 22 head that needed eye work done that fall. He likes those kind of problems better than I do. :?
As a disclaimer, I have a nice young Angus cow tonight that didn't do us up very proud. She choked to death while eating her afterbirth. At least her calf survived to keep her bloodline in the herd.
sic 'em reds
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BTW Oldtimer:
I was on earlier and saw the picctures of your new bulls and thought they looked pretty good. Might not be real "beefy" from the pictures, but what I noticed was the length of those "well ropes". Nice and clean and loonnngggg!
I think from a maternal side, they look just right.
I was on earlier and saw the picctures of your new bulls and thought they looked pretty good. Might not be real "beefy" from the pictures, but what I noticed was the length of those "well ropes". Nice and clean and loonnngggg!
I think from a maternal side, they look just right.
leanin' H
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I agree with not gettin all teary eyed over somebody critizing your breeding program. But if somebody said your wife is fatter than a baby hippo and so ugly she gives me the dry heaves, it may piss ya off. Some folks feel the same or more about thier outfits, cattle, horses, dogs, parakeets, field mice, silage, trucks squeeze chute or linebred holstein/dexter/charolais/santa-gratrudis/hereford/angus/hamster registered, purebred seein' eye dog!
Faster horses
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Ahhhhhhh Soap, sorry to hear about losing a cow like that.
But then again, something has to kill those good ole' tough
Angus cows!! Not much will. :shock:
:wink: :lol:
But then again, something has to kill those good ole' tough
Angus cows!! Not much will. :shock:
:wink: :lol:Soapweed
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Faster horses said:Ahhhhhhh Soap, sorry to hear about losing a cow like that.
But then again, something has to kill those good ole' tough
Angus cows!! Not much will. :shock:
At least she was considerate. She died along a row of cedar trees instead of fifteen pens deep in the calving barn.