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Justin said:
redrobin said:
Justin said:
:? :???: that could be the dumbest comment i've ever seen posted here.
Justin if you think that's the dumbest thing ever posted here then you've not been paying attention. I've said things that were even more stupid. Would you please explain why my opinion is wrong?

i will say, college may not be for everyone, but to say it is a waste of money and time..well that's just a ridiculous statement. IMO
Why?
 
I quit tech college after the first year worked a paid job for 2 years quit and started my own welding business at age 21 1/2 been at it ever since. My dad taught us how to work school was a waste of time for me some do good there.I'd be rich if I did'nt have a cow habit. :wink:
 
redrobin said:
Justin said:
redrobin said:
Justin if you think that's the dumbest thing ever posted here then you've not been paying attention. I've said things that were even more stupid. Would you please explain why my opinion is wrong?

i will say, college may not be for everyone, but to say it is a waste of money and time..well that's just a ridiculous statement. IMO
Why?

cause i said so :wink:
 
I would say we need to recognize that not all education comes from a college, but a college education can be a useful part of an education. Raising kids with a lack of curiosity is far more dangerous than a lack of education.
One thing my Grandfather always said was that you will never regret getting an education and it is pretty easy to carry around.
 
Since i went to college before the Internet I think it helped open my eyes to different ways of doing things. Just like we see here on ranchers. :D

It also helps you realize you need to keep learning.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Since i went to college before the Internet I think it helped open my eyes to different ways of doing things. Just like we see here on ranchers. :D

It also helps you realize you need to keep learning.
Before the internet??? You went to college before the lead pencil. :lol:
 
redrobin said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Since i went to college before the Internet I think it helped open my eyes to different ways of doing things. Just like we see here on ranchers. :D

It also helps you realize you need to keep learning.
Before the internet??? You went to college before the lead pencil. :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
redrobin said:
College is a waste of time and money usually.

So you're telling me you want uneducated Doctors and dentists, accountants that aren't up to par, and people educating students with only a grade twelve eduaction themselves? I'll bet you $100 you can't go a year without relying upon someone that has gone to University and NEEDED it to support themselves and in turn help you.
 
I went to college and I will be honest a lot of the education was nothing that I use daily. I went to a work study college where each student had to work 15 hours a week for tuition. Some jogs we easy some weren't but it showed many students how to work. I live in a very rural area but I am constantly amazed the number of kids who have no work ethic.

The most important things I got from college was the people I came into contact with.

In life it's not what you know it's WHO you know. I often laughed when I was young and heard this but I have many friends from college that are life savers. We constantly bounce ideasa off each other and learn from each other.

College isn't bad I agree a lot of kids party there but I think everyone needs to get out from the parents house at some point.
 
I came from a family that trapped muskrats for a living. My college education provided me with a job that later funded a ranch and cattle, with no debt. While I agree college is not for everyone, it can help lead to a successful profession, including ranching.

I would encourage the new generation to couple an education with practical experience and common sense. Then lead the charge towards a dynamic and challenging future.
 
Roundup said:
I came from a family that trapped muskrats for a living. My college education provided me with a job that later funded a ranch and cattle, with no debt. While I agree college is not for everyone, it can help lead to a successful profession, including ranching.

I would encourage the new generation to couple an education with practical experience and common sense. Then lead the charge towards a dynamic and challenging future.

:tiphat: :tiphat: :tiphat: :clap: :clap: That is what I think we all need to keep in mind!!
 
RSL said:
I would say we need to recognize that not all education comes from a college, but a college education can be a useful part of an education. Raising kids with a lack of curiosity is far more dangerous than a lack of education.
One thing my Grandfather always said was that you will never regret getting an education and it is pretty easy to carry around.

I agree- get all the education you have an opportunity to (doesn't necessarily mean college tho)... And if you have curiousity and develop the yearning to learn you will only stop learning when you are dead...

When I was in college 45 years ago- I questioned many of the class's that were required or offered to be an Ag Business major--class's like Art appreciation, History of Religions, world sociology, world history, etc. etc-- as I figured I would never need any of that--BUT over the years I'm thankful I did as at times during my life I had to head differing directions from my intended final goal-- and it gave me a much broader knowledge to pursue some of those directions-- and a far broader ability to understand where some other people are coming from in their thinking/actions....

When I was in college- the only computers were the size of the whole basement of the Math/Science building- and it was limited at what it could do... If you wanted something calculated on the computer you handed it to a computer tech who wore a white suit and mask- and maybe in a day or two they would have your info...

And now we have so much knowledge from the entire world available at the touch of our fingers within seconds...
 
My opinion doesn't mean much but I am going to give it anyway. I am one of those kids who drank most of his way through college took the easiest classes I could and I paid for every damn bit of it. While I was not getting the most of my education I probably got the best education I ever recieved. I had to make my own friends, make my own contacts, pay my own bills, and got screwed out of rent as well as a ton of beer money. I guess you might say I learned what life was about. I had a pretty good IDEA what it was about before, but I was 4 hrs from home and had to handle it myself. I do not use any of my college education now, but I use the life experiences I recieved everyday. As far as skill set, I feel that the main problem is the lack of expectations of one's parents. If a person is never given responsibility they have a hard time learning to accept responsibility. When I was growing up we were expected to work, anyone who knows my dad will confirm that. Today my dad would be prosecuted for violating child labor laws. If we went branding we wrestled calves, even if we were 100lbs lighter than the calves. When we helped neighbors work cattle you didn't wait for someone to tell you what to do you pitched in just like everyone else. Kids have to be kids, but it doesn't hurt for them to have a job no matter what it may be. Teach your kids to think for themselves, then they become teachable, opposed to a person who has been told what to do their whole life. Send them to college and hope they learn as much out of class as they do in class.
Everyone should go to college if for no other reason than the experience. One other thing that has helped me was a piece of advice given to me by a man I worked for. He told me that you have to give a person a job to do and let them do it. In other words give them the responsibility of the task, don't stand over their shoulder and tell them how to do it or the will never be independent enough to tackle a task.
 
flyingS said:
My opinion doesn't mean much but I am going to give it anyway. I am one of those kids who drank most of his way through college took the easiest classes I could and I paid for every damn bit of it. While I was not getting the most of my education I probably got the best education I ever recieved. I had to make my own friends, make my own contacts, pay my own bills, and got screwed out of rent as well as a ton of beer money. I guess you might say I learned what life was about. I had a pretty good IDEA what it was about before, but I was 4 hrs from home and had to handle it myself. I do not use any of my college education now, but I use the life experiences I recieved everyday. As far as skill set, I feel that the main problem is the lack of expectations of one's parents. If a person is never given responsibility they have a hard time learning to accept responsibility. When I was growing up we were expected to work, anyone who knows my dad will confirm that. Today my dad would be prosecuted for violating child labor laws. If we went branding we wrestled calves, even if we were 100lbs lighter than the calves. When we helped neighbors work cattle you didn't wait for someone to tell you what to do you pitched in just like everyone else. Kids have to be kids, but it doesn't hurt for them to have a job no matter what it may be. Teach your kids to think for themselves, then they become teachable, opposed to a person who has been told what to do their whole life. Send them to college and hope they learn as much out of class as they do in class.
Everyone should go to college if for no other reason than the experience. One other thing that has helped me was a piece of advice given to me by a man I worked for. He told me that you have to give a person a job to do and let them do it. In other words give them the responsibility of the task, don't stand over their shoulder and tell them how to do it or the will never be independent enough to tackle a task.

Excellent post!! The more I have been thinking about this subject the more I agree with your thinking. Kids now days DON'T have the work ethic that I think they should, but I think its because they have never been taught, or expected to maintain that work ethic!!
 
It all starts at home... It's called parenting... Do what ya say..... And mean what ya do... I could write a book on this subject. But it's Christmas and I've got one more present to wrap and we are going to some friends for dinner and meeting others for supper..... Merry Christmas guys!!! I love ya all!!!
 
I have been thinking about this for the past couple days......then Friday I had a VERY BAD day at work. Needless to say a very bad day for me is one where someone can die or get hurt. I had 3 other people on my floor. One person has almost 2 years experience and 2 newbies both under 21. I have been TRYING to train one girl for 2 weeks. 2 other Sgts have also tried.
What she said when I went in and yes I admit I yelled...she yelled back at which time I got very quite and told her NEVER yell at me again. I left cuz I had to clear my head.....I went back and did the last turn outs and waited another hour and went back in to talk to her.....what she told me floored me.
She said that when adults confront her with something she did wrong she yells back...I said you did wrong you cant yell back she said "thats the way my Mom did her parents when I was little". WOW we have kids raising kids raising kids.....they dont have the skill set to handle themselves let alone teach their children. I now have to step back and realize I have to teach these kids from the ground UP before I can even start on being a Correctional officer.....


We as adults have to step up and help raise this younger generation.
 
Soapweed said:
I continually harp about skills. This is only one example. If I had something to say to the 35 and under crowd, it would be this. Quit wasting time. Get yourself some skills and start putting them to use, NOW.

I guess I'll start here for my first post. I was going to just start a separate one, but the wasting time aspect of this fits, so I'll start here.

I've been wasting time going to university, getting a "good" town job, and all those things a sensible person is supposed to do, but which I never really had any interest in. I can't blame anyone for that but myself, but that's what I did. Now I'm 48 years old, have 22 years in one of those "good" careers that people imagine are better than they really are.

My wife is from a ranching family and I have rural roots. We've been running cattle with my in laws for about 15 years, but we're only up to 50 head or so.

Okay, so what's my post? Well, since I was a small kid the only career I've ever been interested in is running cattle. I'm from Wyoming, I still live in Wyoming, and I'm not a naive romantic about it. I have worked with cattle as well. I know now I'm never going to be able to afford a place. So what I've decided to do is to find a place to lease here in the state, hopefully somewhat long term, abandon my office, and try to go full time on a lease operation.

I know that everyone in my family thinks this is insane ("you have such a 'good' job), including my wife, but that's what I'm going to do. I'd do it this week if possible.

Any advice for somebody heading out in this direction?
 
Pat_WY said:
Soapweed said:
I continually harp about skills. This is only one example. If I had something to say to the 35 and under crowd, it would be this. Quit wasting time. Get yourself some skills and start putting them to use, NOW.

I guess I'll start here for my first post. I was going to just start a separate one, but the wasting time aspect of this fits, so I'll start here.

I've been wasting time going to university, getting a "good" town job, and all those things a sensible person is supposed to do, but which I never really had any interest in. I can't blame anyone for that but myself, but that's what I did. Now I'm 48 years old, have 22 years in one of those "good" careers that people imagine are better than they really are.

My wife is from a ranching family and I have rural roots. We've been running cattle with my in laws for about 15 years, but we're only up to 50 head or so.

Okay, so what's my post? Well, since I was a small kid the only career I've ever been interested in is running cattle. I'm from Wyoming, I still live in Wyoming, and I'm not a naive romantic about it. I have worked with cattle as well. I know now I'm never going to be able to afford a place. So what I've decided to do is to find a place to lease here in the state, hopefully somewhat long term, abandon my office, and try to go full time on a lease operation.

I know that everyone in my family thinks this is insane ("you have such a 'good' job), including my wife, but that's what I'm going to do. I'd do it this week if possible.

Any advice for somebody heading out in this direction?

I think finding someone that is interested in helping you get started is key.
That's how we got started and now we have helped another young,
deserving person get a start. As a beginning farmer/rancher there are
some perks with it. He got a beginning farmer loan from the FmHA
and so far it's worked out well. That's what the FmHA was for to begin
with, before they started loaning out mega-money and got burned with
people not paying them back.And back in 1965, that's how
we got started--a beginning farmer loan.

In our lease situation, we kept the haying
machinery and we put up the hay, the lessee buys it at market price.
He doesn't have an investment in machinery right off the bat and he
doesn't have to pay the cost of trucking as the hay is right there.\Doing
the haying gives Mr. FH something to do, so that works well for
both parties. He sprays weeds (we pay for the spray) and he fixes fence. We have not encountered any problems and this is our second year, 2012 going
into our third with this deal. It's impartive that you be able to communicate
with each other and make that known right off the bat. If you can
lease from someone with a ranching/farming background that would be
very helpful as opposed to someone in town that really doesn't know
the in's and out's of ranching.

Hope this helps! Hope you find something! So important to do what you
love to do. Good luck!
 

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