Agri-talk BSE poll

[Sandhusker]

AgriTalk Poll
Results of the last poll:
Should private companies be allowed to independently test all of their cattle for BSE and certify their products as BSE-free?
Yes
85.4%

No
14.6%

I can't believe how many people are for deception and consumer fraud. :wink: :lol:

We'll see if government follows the will of the people or the will of big money.

 

[Tommy]

Sandhusker...AgriTalk Poll
Results of the last poll:
Should private companies be allowed to independently test all of their cattle for BSE and certify their products as BSE-free?
Yes
85.4%

No
14.6%

I can't believe how many people are for deception and consumer fraud.

We'll see if government follows the will of the people or the will of big money.


Don't you know that the only poll that counts is the NCBA checkoff poll each year? All the others are not reliable.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandhusker...AgriTalk Poll
Results of the last poll:
Should private companies be allowed to independently test all of their cattle for BSE and certify their products as BSE-free?
Yes
85.4%

No
14.6%

I can't believe how many people are for deception and consumer fraud.

We'll see if government follows the will of the people or the will of big money.


Don't you know that the only poll that counts is the NCBA checkoff poll each year? All the others are not reliable.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :clap:

 

[mrj]

Sandhusker...AgriTalk Poll
Results of the last poll:
Should private companies be allowed to independently test all of their cattle for BSE and certify their products as BSE-free?
Yes
85.4%

No
14.6%

I can't believe how many people are for deception and consumer fraud.

We'll see if government follows the will of the people or the will of big money.


Don't you know that the only poll that counts is the NCBA checkoff poll each year? All the others are not reliable.

Don't most media outlets conducting such "polls" have a disclaimer stating the polls where people are urged to call, email, etc to participate are disporportionately biased?

BTW, the CBB poll to determine support for the Beef Checkoff is designed to be as accurate as possible. Doesn't it stand to reason that CBB would want to know the level of dissatisfaction in order to learn of problems? Interesting, too, that the level has not dropped below sixty-some percent.

I believe Agri-Talk should have asked if science/animal health/food safety should be the primary driver, or should it be emotion/marketing strategies? That is the difference between following scientifically designed protocols for testing, removing SRM's appropriately, as the USA does.....and testing animals for sale to Japan contrary to the agreement they made with us.

MRJ

 

[Anonymous]

Sandhusker...AgriTalk Poll
Results of the last poll:
Should private companies be allowed to independently test all of their cattle for BSE and certify their products as BSE-free?
Yes
85.4%

No
14.6%

I can't believe how many people are for deception and consumer fraud.

We'll see if government follows the will of the people or the will of big money.


Don't you know that the only poll that counts is the NCBA checkoff poll each year? All the others are not reliable.

Don't most media outlets conducting such "polls" have a disclaimer stating the polls where people are urged to call, email, etc to participate are disporportionately biased?

BTW, the CBB poll to determine support for the Beef Checkoff is designed to be as accurate as possible. Doesn't it stand to reason that CBB would want to know the level of dissatisfaction in order to learn of problems? Interesting, too, that the level has not dropped below sixty-some percent.

I believe Agri-Talk should have asked if science/animal health/food safety should be the primary driver, or should it be emotion/marketing strategies? That is the difference between following scientifically designed protocols for testing, removing SRM's appropriately, as the USA does.....and testing animals for sale to Japan contrary to the agreement they made with us.

MRJ

Tommy- You need to get a job as a clairvoyant :wink: :lol: :lol:

 

[Tommy]

Tommy- You need to get a job as a clairvoyant :wink: :lol: :lol:

I could see this one coming a mile away. :nod: MJ is very predictible.

 

[mrj]

Tommy- You need to get a job as a clairvoyant :wink: :lol: :lol:

I could see this one coming a mile away. :nod: MJ is very predictible.

And you are not???? Discredit those who are doing, and support those who are whining!!!!

Sadly, that does nothing to help the cattle industry. We would be on top of the world if it did!

MRJ

 

[Beefman]

Tommy- You need to get a job as a clairvoyant :wink: :lol: :lol:

I could see this one coming a mile away. :nod: MJ is very predictible.

And you are not???? Discredit those who are doing, and support those who are whining!!!!

Sadly, that does nothing to help the cattle industry. We would be on top of the world if it did!

MRJ

MRJ, this poll data was very predictable. Frankly, I'm surprised the number in favor of testing wasn't higher than posted. This poll provides ZERO data to support the results. We don't know whether 50 or 50,000 participated. Can you imagine the howling that'd take place if NCBA published data this loose?

 

[Sandhusker]

Tommy- You need to get a job as a clairvoyant :wink: :lol: :lol:

I could see this one coming a mile away. :nod: MJ is very predictible.

And you are not???? Discredit those who are doing, and support those who are whining!!!!

Sadly, that does nothing to help the cattle industry. We would be on top of the world if it did!

MRJ

MRJ, this poll data was very predictable. Frankly, I'm surprised the number in favor of testing wasn't higher than posted. This poll provides ZERO data to support the results. We don't know whether 50 or 50,000 participated. Can you imagine the howling that'd take place if NCBA published data this loose?

MRJ, "Discredit those who are doing...." Us R-CALF members feel the same way.

Beefman, I offered the poll as it was presented, making no claims.

 

[Brad S]

Husker,
The poll stands as it is,, perhaps imperfect, but a snapshot of opinions.

I remember back when Coleman's was first starting the "all natural" stuff. Ofcourse there is no science supporting natural beef, yet they were allowed their own form of market distinction.

The Creekstone deaal is a tough one in that almost everyone supports their right to honest market distinction if its testing for ecoli or bse or fatcontent. Many reject Japan's trade barrier use of testing.

The answer is simple, let Creekstone test for market distinction meanwhile settle the trade barrier issue through proper channels. Something tells me that if the testing gig wasn't successfully excluding US beef, Japan would abandon it sooner.


Does everybody know Creekstone closed today to alloe its 80% Hispanic orkforce an opportunity to demonstrate today?

 

[Econ101]

Husker,
The poll stands as it is,, perhaps imperfect, but a snapshot of opinions.

I remember back when Coleman's was first starting the "all natural" stuff. Ofcourse there is no science supporting natural beef, yet they were allowed their own form of market distinction.

The Creekstone deaal is a tough one in that almost everyone supports their right to honest market distinction if its testing for ecoli or bse or fatcontent. Many reject Japan's trade barrier use of testing.

The answer is simple, let Creekstone test for market distinction meanwhile settle the trade barrier issue through proper channels. Something tells me that if the testing gig wasn't successfully excluding US beef, Japan would abandon it sooner.


Does everybody know Creekstone closed today to alloe its 80% Hispanic orkforce an opportunity to demonstrate today?

"Does everybody know Creekstone closed today to alloe its 80% Hispanic orkforce an opportunity to demonstrate today?"

So did Tyson.

 

[mrj]

And you are not???? Discredit those who are doing, and support those who are whining!!!!

Sadly, that does nothing to help the cattle industry. We would be on top of the world if it did!

MRJ

MRJ, this poll data was very predictable. Frankly, I'm surprised the number in favor of testing wasn't higher than posted. This poll provides ZERO data to support the results. We don't know whether 50 or 50,000 participated. Can you imagine the howling that'd take place if NCBA published data this loose?

MRJ, "Discredit those who are doing...." Us R-CALF members feel the same way.

Beefman, I offered the poll as it was presented, making no claims.

Sorry Sandhusker, I should have gone into detail on the facts: Econ and others on this site, spend considerable time discrediting those who are working where it counts to uphold and inprove profitability for the cattle producer; while others' misguided attempts are mostly limited to filing lawsuits in their attempts to force us back in time to when cattle production profitability was mostly due to lower production costs which we will probably never see again in the real world.

My main point, however, was that such polls are what they are and do not necessarily reflect solid, well thought out beliefs on the subject, with simple emotion being the deciding factor, more often than not.

MRJ

 

[Sandhusker]

Most of the lawsuits I've seen were filed to either protect the US herd (and profitability of the cattle industry) from changing existing research-based health policy for the economic benefit of a chosen few or to enforce existing legislation designed to maintain fair markets (and the profitibality of the cattle industry). Perhaps we're talking about different lawsuits.

Polls are very popular and politicians spend a lot of money on them - they must be of some value. I would think Agri-Talk's poll has a good deal more credibility that most as this one was not randomly solicited - one had to be a visitor to their site to vote and you probably wouldn't be at the site if you weren't listening to the program getting educated on the topic. I think Mike does a very good job of presenting both sides of the issues and wouldn't buy any "blamers" arguements.

I think you need to face it, MRJ, NCBA is on the minority side of this one. They're wrong and not representing producers.

 

[Anonymous]

The question should have been:

Should private companies be allowed to independently test all of their cattle for BSE WITH TESTS THAT WOULD NOT REVEAL BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE EVEN IF THOSE BSE PRIONS WERE THERE and certify their products as BSE-free?

Go ahead Sandbag, take the agri-talk poll now.

Hell, even I support BSE testing if the tests would actually reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age. I would expect nothing less than support of consumer fraud from you but how many of the pollsters knew this fact?

A majority of Coloradans stated they would pay more for beef that was "born, raised, and processed in the U.S." yet Callicrate's "born, raised, and processed in the U.S." branded beef products have failed to realize a profit.

TALK IS CHEAP!


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "Hell, even I support BSE testing if the tests would actually reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age. I would expect nothing less than support of consumer fraud from you but how many of the pollsters knew this fact?"

I'm sure that has been presented on the show, so I'd say the answer is most of them.

 

[Econ101]

The question should have been:

Should private companies be allowed to independently test all of their cattle for BSE WITH TESTS THAT WOULD NOT REVEAL BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE EVEN IF THOSE BSE PRIONS WERE THERE and certify their products as BSE-free?

Go ahead Sandbag, take the agri-talk poll now.

Hell, even I support BSE testing if the tests would actually reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age. I would expect nothing less than support of consumer fraud from you but how many of the pollsters knew this fact?

A majority of Coloradans stated they would pay more for beef that was "born, raised, and processed in the U.S." yet Callicrate's "born, raised, and processed in the U.S." branded beef products have failed to realize a profit.

TALK IS CHEAP!


~SH~

SH, you are going under the assumption that the current bse tests would not show bse prions under 24 months.

Are we now going to stop allowing pregnet women to stop testing for pregnancy because their tests may sometimes give false postitives or negatives? Is that a reason to not let them test at all?

Your arguments are circus chicken arguments.

 

[RoperAB]

Look if I had the money to start my own packing company and say I did this. WEll if I wanted to test my own product for BSE and sell it. Why should Tysons or whoever be able to stop me?
If Tysons dont want to test for it, fine then they dont have to. But if I want to test for I should be able to even if the test is stupid.
Isnt the customer always right? If the customer wants it then give it to him if he is the one paying for it.

 

[RoperAB]

The question should have been:



A majority of Coloradans stated they would pay more for beef that was "born, raised, and processed in the U.S." yet Callicrate's "born, raised, and processed in the U.S." branded beef products have failed to realize a profit.

TALK IS CHEAP!


~SH~

Yup and then them same people will drive 60 miles to the city and buy their stuff from Wal Mart.