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Another one bites the dust

Read back a few posts ECON, I'm promoting a different method of lobbying for change, and not airing dirty laundry in public.

And I know, the only way for change is for protest and finger pointing. Has it been effective yet, or has it just damaged the image of the producer?

I am difinitely not promoting anybody burying their head. That is your false perception.
 
First of all, it's not JUST the testing that got the USDA in trouble.........but the experimentation of and the unwillingness to employ newer testing methods, i.e. rapid screening tests (that allowed more testing to be done from resources and time constraints) and the antiquated IHC. Canada got onboard the rapid tests well in advance of the USDA!
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Canada did, was it a producer group that lobbyied for this advanced testing? Did it take finger pointing to get it done? We have American packers up here calling the shots, why did they not influence the CFIA in the same manner as in the US?
 
Murgen said:
First of all, it's not JUST the testing that got the USDA in trouble.........but the experimentation of and the unwillingness to employ newer testing methods, i.e. rapid screening tests (that allowed more testing to be done from resources and time constraints) and the antiquated IHC. Canada got onboard the rapid tests well in advance of the USDA!
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Canada did, was it a producer group that lobbyied for this advanced testing? Did it take finger pointing to get it done? We have American packers up here calling the shots, why did they not influence the CFIA in the same manner as in the US?
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Seems to me there was quite a bit of finger pointing after the 1993 cow.

Claude Lavigne put his foot in his mouth for sure.

I have no idea whose idea it was to start the process, I just know that it worked and you'all have a pretty clean record of transparency.
 
I'll tell you who it was Mike. it was an industry that was/is working together to get the problem fixed, maybe not over night, but it's changing.

And we have orgs. that are pointing fingers too, but not to the same extent, and not to the point of being hypocritical.
 
"The people who get on in this world are the people who get up & look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them." Bernard Shaw

What producer org. does that describe, Murgen?
 
Murgen said:
I'm not sure which one(s) Bernard Shaw was talking about.
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That wasn't the question. The question was for you to answer. Can you characterize U.S. or Canadian cattle orgs that are trying to do just that?
 
Murgen, you're a Canadian. R-CALF is a US rancher's group that concerns themselves with the policies of the US in the US. Not to be snotty, but you don't have a stick in this game. There's a whole passel of Canadians who's every-other post is on R-CALF, but considering the problems up there, you would think they would be on CCA.
 
...something i can agree with you sandhusker...our cca definitely love to deflect our problems on blaming r-calf but when there is american feeders and packers owning our cattle up here in canada...we all have sticks in the game...
 
You also forget Sandhusker, that RCALF is a trade organization attacking the free trade agreement that we as Canadians are part of.

RCALF's lie don't affect us as much as they have in the past, you're right!

But RCALF have personally attacked Canadian producers, and our industry. And maybe you should read your RCALF propaganda a little more closely, most of it still mentions Canadian livestock and beef, so that is an invitation to put our sticks on the ice.
 
Murgen said:
You also forget Sandhusker, that RCALF is a trade organization attacking the free trade agreement that we as Canadians are part of.

RCALF's lie don't affect us as much as they have in the past, you're right!

But RCALF have personally attacked Canadian producers, and our industry. And maybe you should read your RCALF propaganda a little more closely, most of it still mentions Canadian livestock and beef, so that is an invitation to put our sticks on the ice.
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I think they should attack NAFTA, if that's the free trade agreement you're talking about. It sure as hell didn't pan out to be as advertised - we got sold a real bill of goods there.

We mention Canadian livestock and beef because the USDA completely changed horses just to accomodate the big packers and their desires for access to those cattle at our expense. Those cattle are part of a battle.
 
But there are not that many of THOSE cattle Sandhusker. Yes the packers are stealing cattle from Canadain producers at a minor expense to American producers, but that does not mean WE have to use the Canadian producer as cannon fodder in the fight with YOUR own Corporate Communists.

If Rcalf could only see that their BSE rhetoric has only helped the packers and their games, and admit it - producers from both sides of the 49th could work together for the good of OUR part of the industry.
 
rkaiser said:
If Rcalf could only see that their BSE rhetoric has only helped the packers and their games, and admit it - producers from both sides of the 49th could work together for the good of OUR part of the industry.
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:nod: :clap:
 
rkaiser said:
But there are not that many of THOSE cattle Sandhusker. Yes the packers are stealing cattle from Canadain producers at a minor expense to American producers, but that does not mean WE have to use the Canadian producer as cannon fodder in the fight with YOUR own Corporate Communists.

If Rcalf could only see that their BSE rhetoric has only helped the packers and their games, and admit it - producers from both sides of the 49th could work together for the good of OUR part of the industry.
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R-CALF didn't help the packers - it was the USDA that helped them. They got their boost when the border was opened for boxed beef. R-CALF didn't open the border.

I'd love for producers on both sides to get together. However, the first probem I see is we want to attack the problems head on and you guys seem to want to keep it hush hush.

You say R-CALF made cannon fodder of you guys, but we didn't start the fight. The USDA/AMI gave us no choice but to stand up and defend ourselves. It wouldn't of been so bloody for you if you didn't rely on us for your existance. That is your fault, Randy. When you depend on somebody else to live, problems are going to happen. We've got the same problem down here with oil. Your dependency on us to take your cattle about knocked you out, and our dependency on oil has 3/4 of the world hating us and has gotten us into wars. We have only ourselves to blame for our dead soldiers, and to blame R-CALF for your situation is irresponsible as well.
 
Sandbag: "However, the first probem I see is we want to attack the problems head on and you guys seem to want to keep it hush hush."
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Hahaha!

Attack problems head on?

You can't even identify the problems let alone attack them.

R-CALF's track record in court is dismal at best because they can't back their positions with factual information. R-CALF's success has been in making a handful of lawyers rich and giving blamers something to believe in.


~SH~
 
rkaiser said:
But there are not that many of THOSE cattle Sandhusker. Yes the packers are stealing cattle from Canadain producers at a minor expense to American producers, but that does not mean WE have to use the Canadian producer as cannon fodder in the fight with YOUR own Corporate Communists.

If Rcalf could only see that their BSE rhetoric has only helped the packers and their games, and admit it - producers from both sides of the 49th could work together for the good of OUR part of the industry.
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I will have to agree with you, rkaiser. In the concentration game it is all about comparative advantage until you get one to 4 top dogs that can control an industry----and its profits. BSE is both a possible health threat and a tool of packers. It still doesn't mean the health threat should be accepted, just managed much differently than the packer NCBA USDA is doing.

They are so obviously colluding on policy.
 
Conman: "BSE is both a possible health threat and a tool of packers."
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Let's hear your explanation for how BSE is a tool of packers?

I'd sure love to give you the chance to make a fool out of yourself again by trying to defend yet another stupid allegation.


~SH~
 

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