Are you ready for Brokeback Mountain?

[Been There]

The cowboy has an image that people admire (look at all the little kids who want to be cowboys when they grow up), that has been built up through the years. Built by the old black and white movie cowboys to real working cowboys. WE don't need something like this movie to be messin' with that image.
I like to read about the days when they trailed cattle from Texas. It would have been really disturbing to read that some of those old cowboys had a gay relationship. I suppoe that they could have but I don't want to know about it. I won't be seeing the movie.

 

[Mike]

Just another indoctrination by the left. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

 

[zephyrus31]

I haven't been here for quite a while now and lemme tell ya I'm happy to be back fellas!! I notice all these new pic things and stuff - pretty neat! But anyway, BBMountain? I haven't seen it myself but heard it's great! OK, OK, I'll shut up and continue reading.. :mrgreen:

 

[greg]

GAY COWBOYS..... no such thing!!!! Not sure but heard the said cowboys in this movie are sheepherders...enuff said :lol:

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

... Men are just over sexed (a woman's perspective) :roll: :roll:

. . . and perhaps a very dated perspective, I might add . . .

A little self-disclosure, R2?

 

[greg]

Its called Denial reader.....did have a thought about Haymaker and Elmo though

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

... Men are just over sexed (a woman's perspective) :roll: :roll:

. . . and perhaps a very dated perspective, I might add . . .

A little self-disclosure, R2?

I've been having a discussion around this subject with a friend who is male and a doctor and it is actually his contention that men are oversexed (not his words). Anyway, we'll have to find another non-Coffee House place to discuss as it is not a fit subject for the younger folks...

I did not bring it to this forum, it was here when I got on just now. Your approach seems plenty Victorian for someone who tries to pass herself off as relatively liberal.

And, your doctor friend's opinion is just that, an opinion.

 

[Mike]

Mike's complex, BMR is complex, OT is complex, rkaiser is complex, Kathy is complex, mp.freelance is complex, lots of others are complex.

BMR is the only one here who has a complex! That's because Haymaker belittles him all the time and calls him..............Big Dummy! :wink:

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

As long as there have been men and men have been off by themselves, there has been hanky panky. Cowboys are no exception. Desert Arabs, soldiers, the Greeks, and so on... Men are just over sexed (a woman's perspective) and where there are no women available or where the bond between men is particularly close, even not intrinsically homosexual men fool around. I hope no one is surprised that there may have been gay cowboys. :roll: :roll:

I think, after considering your statements in the above quote, that you deal a significant blow those who hold to the argument that the subject departure from normative sexual behavior may be a genetic or an unchosen but inherent behavior.

If some choose this type of activity, who is to say that, at some level, all such behavior is not a choice?

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

I've been having a discussion around this subject with a friend who is male and a doctor and it is actually his contention that men are oversexed (not his words). Anyway, we'll have to find another non-Coffee House place to discuss as it is not a fit subject for the younger folks...

I did not bring it to this forum, it was here when I got on just now. Your approach seems plenty Victorian for someone who tries to pass herself off as relatively liberal.

And, your doctor friend's opinion is just that, an opinion.

I'm thrilled to finally have someone on Ranchers.net see that I AM a Victorian. My grandmother was one. My mom was raised by my grandmother. I was raised in an all-woman, single-parent house by my mom in a small cow town in the 1950s and '60s so it's not so odd that I am "Victorian."

Most people here cannot see that a person can be a complex individual with a variety of influences and a spectrum of views.

Why would a somewhat liberal political view (and only somewhat) mean that I was a pornographer (exaggeration for effect, please note)?!

Mike's complex, BMR is complex, OT is complex, rkaiser is complex, Kathy is complex, mp.freelance is complex, lots of others are complex.

You are correct.

But gee, I hope that by your omisson of all the rest of us on here, we are not just to be dismissed as "simple", rather than complex!

That would put Hay Maker on the same level as . . .well, I really can't stand the thought of finishing this sentence . . .

 

[mp.freelance]

As long as there have been men and men have been off by themselves, there has been hanky panky. Cowboys are no exception. Desert Arabs, soldiers, the Greeks, and so on... Men are just over sexed (a woman's perspective) and where there are no women available or where the bond between men is particularly close, even not intrinsically homosexual men fool around. I hope no one is surprised that there may have been gay cowboys. :roll: :roll:

I think, after considering your statements in the above quote, that you deal a significant blow those who hold to the argument that the subject departure from normative sexual behavior may be a genetic or an unchosen but inherent behavior.

If some choose this type of activity, who is to say that, at some level, all such behavior is not a choice?

Is it possible that both cases can be true? There's guys who are very feminine from childhood, and it's obvious they'll turn out to be gay, but others are really manly and probably do so by choice, or they were abused at some point. It just seems like this kind of abnormality can't have a simple and direct "cause and effect." (When I say abnormality, it doesn't mean I'm a homophobe, but simply that homosexuality deviates from the norm of human reproductive behavior. ) Unfortunately, the topic of homosexuality has become so entrenched in political correctness that it's considered inappropriate for psychologists to try to find its root cause, since that would imply it's pathological. Political correctness has done as much harm to understanding human behavior as demonization did in previous eras.

 

[BarMJ]

So my response doesn't really fit in right now, but I wanted to respond to the comments earlier about the verses in Leviticus. First of all, those laws were for people under the old covenant. When Christ died for us he allowed us to live under the new covenant. Thus said, we are free from those old laws, but I would like to point our attention now to Corinthians 6:9-11 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: Neither the sexually immmoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

I think vs 12 is interesting also, "Everything is permissible for me" - but not everything is beneficial. " Everything is permissible for me" - but I will not be mastered by anything.

 

[Red Robin]

It would be kind of hard for the homosexual gene to survive for millions of years inside the human genome when it's comprised of so small of a percentage of the population (which normally doesn't procreate). In reality it couldn't survive very many generations at all .

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

It would be kind of hard for the homosexual gene to survive for millions of years inside the human genome when it's comprised so small of a percentage of the population isn't it . In reality it couldn't survive very many generations at all .

Tricky, tricky, tricky, Red Robin! I think we're getting back into a discussion on evolution!

But that's just alright, because it will be interesting to look at this issue from that perspective. Does evolution weed out characteristics that do not contribute to the sustainability of the species? Or will some men eventually develop ovaries? (and some women, testes?)

Is coffee shop more sacred than the classroom, R2?

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

It would be kind of hard for the homosexual gene to survive for millions of years inside the human genome when it's comprised so small of a percentage of the population isn't it . In reality it couldn't survive very many generations at all .

Tricky, tricky, tricky, Red Robin! I think we're getting back into a discussion on evolution!

But that's just alright, because it will be interesting to look at this issue from that perspective. Does evolution weed out characretistics that do not contribute to the sustainability of the species? Or will some men eventually develop ovaries? (and some women, testes?)

Is coffee shop more sacred than the classroom, R2?

If in the past people who were homosexual were expected to marry and produce offspring, then they would not be "weeded out." Take the Ancient Greeks who had wives and offspring and slept with other men for instance.

Good grief, R2, you are then ignoring that it was heterosexual relationships that resulted in procreation! Red Robin made the necessary point very clear.

 

[Soapweed]

It just ain't right. Period. Exclamation point! :!:

 

[Red Robin]

Maybe I'm still exhausted and jet lagged but it appears to me that you two are missing the point that if until the 20th century homosexuals had children than homosexuality would NOT be "weeded out."

If it was a dominant gene R2 we would see a larger segment of the population preforming this sinful act. If it is recessive you would have to have a lesbian and a ....(what can you call a male homosexual )...anyway it would still take one of each to pass the gene along. I am of the opinion (no supprise) that the Bible is correct and it is a act of progressive sin. Theirs , or if molestation turned them that way , someones. That is the reason you see it more prevalent in American culture than you did 50 years ago. We are more sinful as a nation. I am not trying to make him part of my scary mindset but i'm with soapweed. It just aint right.

 

[Northern Rancher]

Heck I just got my movie fix from 'Walk the Line" now that's a great movie.

 

[theHiredMansWife]

So my response doesn't really fit in right now, but I wanted to respond to the comments earlier about the verses in Leviticus. First of all, those laws were for people under the old covenant.

Jesus also said he came not to change the Law, but to fulfill it. Not one dot of the i, nor cross of the t was to be changed. (I'm too lazy to go look up chapter and verse at the moment. )

It would be kind of hard for the homosexual gene to survive for millions of years inside the human genome when it's comprised of so small of a percentage of the population (which normally doesn't procreate). In reality it couldn't survive very many generations at all

I guess I've never read the theory that it's genetic... I've always heard that it's a biological anomoly and as such just appears in a small segment of the population.

I hope no one is surprised that there may have been gay cowboys.

I said this back on page one:
A good friend of ours is head cowboy in a feedlot and one of his pen riders was gay. He's since moved on, as all hands do, but our friend and his wife would occasionally have he and his partner over for supper...

It would have been really disturbing to read that some of those old cowboys had a gay relationship.

It was real disturbing for some people to discover how many cowboys were Black. But that doesn't make it any less true...

 

[alabama]

I have held off responding to this, as I am not sure how I feel about it.
I do know that I don't want to see the dang movie. And I would not want my children to see it.
I have some moral problems with censorship and freedom of the press. I don't want government dictating what a movie can be about. However, I think the rating system that is in place can help.
In order to have a free society we may have to tolerate movies such as this and use the opportunity to teach our children that such behavior, such as the subjects of this movie, are not acceptable. This also helps teach our children that there are many things in this world that are not right and they need to learn to recognize them.