Whatever Mike either way side by side in the field same implement same speed a 825 Belarus will burn 1/2 the fuel of a equivalent 81 horsepower tractor doing the exact same work I'd bet my life on it. Vs my 7060 Allis which is 160 horsepower more like a 1/3rd pulling the same 2 row corn chopper.
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Mike said:
My 825 will mow hay with my double 9 for 3, 8 hour days on less than 40 gallons of fuel full throttle 6th or 7th gear knocking down between 8 and 10 acres an hour.You could go faster other than it will beat the heck out of you being so ruff.
littlejoe
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One of the new 'gee whiz' tractors around Dutton Montana--heart of the 'golden triangle' dry land wheat producing area--was the 2 cyl J.D. "R"---most guys were still running gas tractors.
Cheetams sold j.d. and r's were such a step up they were an easy sell---that old boy would load one on a trailer, drive out in the country where somebody was sumerfallowing and unload, tell 'em "here, try this---it's fulla fuel and ready to go, I'll come back and get it tomorrow. Many times he either hauled the old one back or came home empty.
He had a standing offer: keep track of the hours and gallons of diesel for the season---he'd buy any diesel over 2 gallons an hour burned.
I don't think he ever bought any.
Cheetams sold j.d. and r's were such a step up they were an easy sell---that old boy would load one on a trailer, drive out in the country where somebody was sumerfallowing and unload, tell 'em "here, try this---it's fulla fuel and ready to go, I'll come back and get it tomorrow. Many times he either hauled the old one back or came home empty.
He had a standing offer: keep track of the hours and gallons of diesel for the season---he'd buy any diesel over 2 gallons an hour burned.
I don't think he ever bought any.
Mike
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Denny said:
Can't happen Denny. The laws of physics won't let it be nearly that much difference.
The Nebraska Tractor Fuel Consumption Tests have the top 40 most efficient tractors listed. Belarus is nowhere in the mix. Mostly JD's.
3 M L & C
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Just because your at full throttle dosnt mean your at full load. Full load is pulling the max hp the tractor has. Which unless your farming a ton tractors very rarely see. Also when you turn at the end of the field and such your probably at maybe 10 percent load. That has to figure in as well.
If you were running lets say a swather on a tractor. To be running it at full load all the time you would have to be crowding it so much when you hit a thick spot it would kill the tractor.
If you were running lets say a swather on a tractor. To be running it at full load all the time you would have to be crowding it so much when you hit a thick spot it would kill the tractor.
Well if I'm pulling a 5 bottom plow and the throttle is pushed all the way to the end and the tractor is lugged down to about 1800 I'd say it was working at full power. Lets say for arguments sake including making a corner every 6 or 7 minutes on a quarter section we average 85% full power. Mike and his physics and his book say I will be out of fuel in about 5 hrs. I know I can go for 8 or more. That works out to 3.53 gallons an hour.
I also know that a 5.9 cummins in a Dodge with a chip (360 hp or so) is capable of getting much better than 20 mpg, and a 6.7 cummins with similar hp is not capable of anything near that under the same conditions.
I also know that a 5.9 cummins in a Dodge with a chip (360 hp or so) is capable of getting much better than 20 mpg, and a 6.7 cummins with similar hp is not capable of anything near that under the same conditions.
Mike
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About 16-17 HP/Hr Gal consumption is the best I can find for a Belarus tractor.
It's about a 75 HP tractor.
4.4 gallons per hour.
I'll have to say that is pretty danged efficient.
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3003&context=tractormuseumlit
But it's about equal to an 85 HP tractor I have:
http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=e94b6529-ef81-4d17-ade0-deee9ddba60d&groupId=4805395&.pdf
It's about a 75 HP tractor.
4.4 gallons per hour.
I'll have to say that is pretty danged efficient.
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3003&context=tractormuseumlit
But it's about equal to an 85 HP tractor I have:
http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=e94b6529-ef81-4d17-ade0-deee9ddba60d&groupId=4805395&.pdf
Mike
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Denny said:
Correct. As would most all other tractors.
3 M L & C
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Denny said:
I'm curious Denny. Do you think the Nebraska fuel test is made up? This has been the benchmark that the entire industry strives to brag that they are number 1 in. Don't believe me pick up any farm magazine right after they do the test and you will see adds saying so. If your tractor uses half of what it says from the test on average don't you think other tractors would use half as well? A new 8360R tractor will use no more fuel pulling 85 hp than your Belarus will using the same power. I would say it would probably use quite a bit less. A 8360r will only exert how much power it needs to maintain the speed you want. So to pull something using 85 hp it would be running around 1200 rpm. Where your tractor would be full throttle and full load.
Mike
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Denny said:
I'll put it this way Denny. If the Belarus Tractors were as efficient as some of you say, there would be all types of documented proof & people would be shouting it from the roof tops. Where is it?
On farm tests between us here don't work. Too many variables.
There is only a set number of BTU's in a gallon of diesel: 139,000.
I hope no one thinks that all the major tractor manufacturers aren't fighting each other for the most farm fuel efficiency.
Now I'm not saying that some people can't tweak the most efficiency out of a tractor by gearing up and throttling down, etc. That's a given.
Mike said:
There's 12 years difference in these tests so it took 12 years to get close data. What would a 10 year old john deere cost vs. a 20 year old Belarus easy $50,000 between them. I like them because they are VERY fuel efficient even though all I do is let them idle in the field :roll: I am trying to help someone with my real knowledge of these tractors if you have a thin skin and care what the neighbors think don't buy one me I would rather pay land payments than tractor payments and there not bad on fuel either...Do as you like but they are a good tractor for the money.
John SD
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Don't want to get bogged down in the fuel efficiency debate, but seems to me that Belarus would have a pretty good shot at making good numbers.
Simply because of the fact that Belarus has straight gear transmissions and very basic hydraulic systems. No powershift or related extra fancy hydraulics sucking power from the drawbar or PTO.
Good fuel efficiency benefits perhaps are offset somewhat by the cost of oil leaks!
Simply because of the fact that Belarus has straight gear transmissions and very basic hydraulic systems. No powershift or related extra fancy hydraulics sucking power from the drawbar or PTO.
Good fuel efficiency benefits perhaps are offset somewhat by the cost of oil leaks!
My advise to anyone looking at buying a Belarus tractor is to run as fast as you can away and never look back. I had a 925 for about 10 months a lot of years ago. The tractor only had 300 hours on it when I bought it which to me is a new tractor. It was without a doubt the worst piece of junk I have ever been around. Never once did I start it when there wasn't something wrong with it but it was always something different wrong. The tractor was cheap to buy but parts were as high or higher than JD parts. When I had finally had my belly full of the thing I had to nearly give it away because every dealer I tried to pawn it off on was aware of what garbage they were.
Mike
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Just wanted to let the Belarus fans know that they make furniture too:
http://www.belarus-tractor.com/en/main.aspx?guid=1981
And other stuff:
http://www.belarus-tractor.com/en/main.aspx?guid=1161
http://www.belarus-tractor.com/en/main.aspx?guid=1981
And other stuff:
http://www.belarus-tractor.com/en/main.aspx?guid=1161
Big Muddy rancher
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I had a Universal tractor that would have made a good park bench.
Lots of interesting data here on fuel effeciency versus horsepower.
I own a JD with 85 horses at the PTO. I love the tractor. Bought it at the end of 2005 and it now has almost 14,000 hrs.
I also buy diesel at $1.00 for a 55 gallon drum so I don't give a rat's ass about all that fuel effeciency data.
Now, if you want to see a real piece of work, drive a Veniran.....yup, an Iranian tractor built by skilled Venezuelan socialist workers. :lol:
I own a JD with 85 horses at the PTO. I love the tractor. Bought it at the end of 2005 and it now has almost 14,000 hrs.
I also buy diesel at $1.00 for a 55 gallon drum so I don't give a rat's ass about all that fuel effeciency data.
Now, if you want to see a real piece of work, drive a Veniran.....yup, an Iranian tractor built by skilled Venezuelan socialist workers. :lol:
Hayguy
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look an awful lot like a massey :???:
fuel at 1.05 per litre might change your attitude about fuel consumption :lol:
fuel at 1.05 per litre might change your attitude about fuel consumption :lol:
