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Branding 6/10/07

Got me to thinkin, so I did a search and found this. It's just a small part of an interview with Waddie Mitchell. His take on Cowboy/Buckaroo.

"Cowboy" is really a term that came from England. That's what they called the young kids—and they generally were young boys—who would take the cows out, graze them and then bring them back in at night. They just called them by what they were most closely associated with—cows. The "buckaroo" drew its tradition from a different source. It, too, is a European source originating with the Moors and passing through the Spanish who settled into early California. The Californio ranch hands were called vaqueros which is "cowboy" in Spanish. Americans have always been real good at bastardizing somebody else's language, so vaquero becomes "buckaroo." The Spanish land-grant owners, the original vaqueros, were fine horsemen and took a great deal of pride in their work and manner. As California filled up and the cowboys needed a place to go, the Great Basin was a natural place for them—just north and east of the old Californio ranches and missions. So that tradition is where we in the Great Basin draw the differences. The gear we use is more that of the vaquero—the fine silver mounted bits and tapaderos, the long rawhide riatas or ropes that we know as lassos or lariats—there's another word, lariata. That's really where the cowboy terminology out here comes from—from those Californios—at least for the buckaroo. It's been pretty widespread here of late. It used to be you could tell pretty much where a feller was from just by his gear. But with the onslaught of guys who came out and took pictures and put them in books, and the availability of different types of gear nationwide, we've homogenized. It's down to where it's pretty doggone hard to tell where a feller is from anymore, unless maybe it's a crease in his hat or maybe a little bit of an accent. Typically, and of course there are always rules to be broken in this stuff, the buckaroo in the Great Basin region looks a little different, works a little different, because it's a regional thing; but that regional thing stems from how things work best for the particular country you're from. If you're a brush popper in the brush country of Arizona, you are going to learn to work a little differently just because of the terrain you're working in. In the high basin region with the sagebrush country and millions of acres, typically, what the buckaroo uses has evolved over the years to be the best for this particular part of the world.
 
Hooks said:
One day JB you or someone is going to have to tell me the difference between buckaroo or non buckaroo

I'm not sure that can be done in ONE day :wink:

Hey, I'm not looking for something totally indepth, just a smaller explanation will do. If I get out to, or should I say when, I get out to western South Dakota late this summer or early fall I will have to track down JB and get him to sit down and talk for a bit (Question is, can I keep it from being more than a bit, I can only be away from the place for a week after all :lol: :lol: :lol: )

Lily, that was one of the sites I saw while looking for the difference online..
 
While I was readin that, the whole time I was thankin...ok the difference between a buckaroo and a cowboy is ....well I think it was Judith that pointed it out. Buckaroo's seem to be all clean white shirts, a nicely creased hat....all duded up for a brandin etc. (Nothin wrong with that at all)

Cowboys...least in our neck of the woods...when its cow workin day, ya end up dirty, sweaty, your shirt is no longer the color it was at the beginnin of the day, blood, sweat, cow poop, and if your lucky...maybe a lil mud.

Similarities tho....there's always that satisfied grin on their faces when the day's done.
 
the_jersey_lilly_2000 said:
While I was readin that, the whole time I was thankin...ok the difference between a buckaroo and a cowboy is ....well I think it was Judith that pointed it out. Buckaroo's seem to be all clean white shirts, a nicely creased hat....all duded up for a brandin etc. (Nothin wrong with that at all)

Cowboys...least in our neck of the woods...when its cow workin day, ya end up dirty, sweaty, your shirt is no longer the color it was at the beginnin of the day, blood, sweat, cow poop, and if your lucky...maybe a lil mud.

Similarities tho....there's always that satisfied grin on their faces when the day's done.

I guess the main difference is what they call them selves.
Cowboys call themselves that or "puncher".

Buckaroo's call them selves that.

Pretty hard to make absolutes on either one.

Cowboys would be more apt to use rubber on their horn and/or tie off hard and fast.

Buckaroo's would be more apt to use mule hide or latigo on their horn and very seldom tie off, at least until after they have something roped.

All of these are not hard and fast rules, but generalizations.

Cowboys,
Swell forked saddle, longer chaps, shorter ropes

Buckaroo's
Slickforked saddles, chinks, longer ropes.

Me, I guess I'm a vaquero. :wink:

Seriously, there are a lot of hgood hands who don't like to be called cowboy or buckaroo. I prefer the title, hand. Sorry, average or good.

The main difference I guess is how someone goes about doing things. Buckaroo's are more into taking their time and pride themselves on style and class in their gear and getting the job done.
Cowboys seem to take pride in how fast and efficiently they can get a job done.

I think it comes from the different country they work in.

Where you have to hay right after the calving and branding is done, people seem to want to hurry up and be done with it so as to get on to the next job. Where all you do is brand with a small crew as you don't have to get the haying equipment ready, people seem to take a little more time. Buckaroo's kind of came from a country where the weather didn't get in the way of other jobs. Cowboys have to have the right weather to brand and there might not be too many days when it will work.

They are pretty well mixed up anymore. I think that is a good thing. You can pick and choose what is best and works the best in different situations. Sometimes dallying makes more sense and sometimes tying on hard and fast does. Why not be capable of doing both?

I wear chinks when they are appropriate and leggings when it gets colder. Matter of fact, I've got lighter leggings and heavier ones. I like to have an approprite wardrobe.

Sorry for going to such great lengths IR. :wink:
 
I live and work in cowboy country but have always leaned toward the buckaroo trappings and way of doing things. I think a good hand should fit in where ever the work needs done. I like the fellers that can sip their coffee in either camp.
 
I just need to figure out how to crease my hat.. ARound here the hats are creased so that the fella wearing the seed corn hat can fit it into his mailbox to better search for his LDP, DCP, or ccp checks... Local humour, sorry :lol: :lol:

We don't have the Acreage or rough country to satisfy or probably even justify those folks who want to do things the old ways.. Yeah, I have a dream of switching over to more horse based operation than what we are now, maybe even switch to your branding style operation instead of chute and shots but than we get into the having enough folks to do it right and who know how to do it.. Only way we will ever find out if it is possible is to do it I suppose.. Nothing wrong with that...

Right now I could either be a bad buckeroo or a bad cowboy so who knows.. Tie off, dally> Shoot, first I would have to know how to rope, lol... Oh well, all in due time, all in due time..

As far as who says Uncle first.. Well... Depends on when the wife calls me and wonders where the heck I am :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Saddletramp said:
I live and work in cowboy country but have always leaned toward the buckaroo trappings and way of doing things. I think a good hand should fit in where ever the work needs done. I like the fellers that can sip their coffee in either camp.

Yup, that pretty much sums it up for me too. :)

Ahhh, the infinate wisdom of a good ol' hand. :wink:
 
IL Rancher said:
One day JB you or someone is going to have to tell me the difference between buckaroo or non buckaroo.. Most I could ge toff line was buckaroo was a derivitive of the old Spanish vaquero and California/great basin heritage while the Cowboy was more Texas centered and had some of the eastern cowhunter influence (Both originating from the old spanish traditions).. That and something about brides and more silver and something else.. Wasn't all to satisfying for horse idiot overhere.. ..

well now this will be intresting and longggggggggggggggggggg
if we get an education on buckaroo heritage

BTW
jb
i loved the pics
wish i could have been there
i'd have even went and bought a palm leaf and got all buckarroed out maybe even some cuffs and them little short chaps
LOL
until later
jerry

OOOOPSSSSS
i missed a whole page here
well saddletramp i'm with you and jb
i have woked both ends of this buckaroo/cowboy deal and i like what works the best for the job at hand
but if i had the time and the help i'd still dally on a slick horn with a long twine
even here in texas
they would look at me strange but i would just let it smoke some and go on about my way
jerry
 
Saddletramp said:
I like the fellers that can sip their coffee in either camp.


OOOOO DEAR!!!! I expected this from Jinglebob but saddletramp....never.... ROFLMAO!!!!!
 
DJL said:
Saddletramp wrote:
I like the fellers that can sip their coffee in either camp.



OOOOO DEAR!!!! I expected this from Jinglebob but saddletramp....never.... ROFLMAO!!!!!

:shock: :shock: :D :D :D :D :D

Hang on....here we go!!!!!!! :shock: :shock:
 
You all act soooo innocent! Everyone should have known he wuz gunna git it when he asked if I had crossed over to the other side. Frankly the opportunity presented itself in perfect fashion :)
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

When are you gonna do your ' drive-by' to JB's on your way to Missouri??
 
I'll keep ya posted, I think it should be a hoot. Just have to figure out how to put the gregs and northern in the truck too :)



I'll bring ya'll some turkey :twisted:
 
Yes please, let us know Judith.. I need to warn the state troopers that you will be in a bordering state...National guard even :lol: :lol:

And yes, I think JB had t coming :P :lol: :lol:

But poor Saddletramp being brought into the fray.... A shocking turn of events... :wink: :lol: :lol:
 
Time it right and I'll be there also.

Making my travel plans for this summer.......and JB just keeps whining and begging me to come back out for a visit :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink: :wink: .

I'll prob. be in the neighborhood anyway....well by SoDak measure anyway and that's anywhere in 500 miles!!!

You're hauling Greg & Northern also???? WOW!!!
 
Hey, I personally think Saddletramp and Soapweed get off light. I think they both need their feather's ruffled a bit more.

IL Please warn the state troopers and the national guard so that I can fake swoon beside my vehicle :) I may even pretend I can't change my tire. I've always wanted to ask a state trooper if that was a gun in his pocket :)
 
Judith said:
I'll keep ya posted, I think it should be a hoot. Just have to figure out how to put the gregs and northern in the truck too :)



I'll bring ya'll some turkey :twisted:


Whats all that aboutm, your just gunna leave poor me up here all by my self??? :cry: :cry:
 

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