Canada May Have Another Post Feedban Positive

[Anonymous]

"Ralph"

Today, ruminant by-products are not handled in plants that make ruminant feed, in Canada

Milk replacers are blood free in Canada, and some feed companies even make NAPF, (Non-animal Protein/Fat) feeds for Ruminants.

Ralph- Are you Sure :???: There were some of the feedban restrictions that CFIA said they are doing that they never did do- same as FDA in the states....I don't know remember which ones it was- but Canada still has big loopholes too......And the USDA was lobbying CFIA to get them to drop some restrictions also :roll:

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Today, ruminant by-products are not handled in plants that make ruminant feed, in Canada

Milk replacers are blood free in Canada, and some feed companies even make NAPF, (Non-animal Protein/Fat) feeds for Ruminants.

Ralph- Are you Sure :???: There were some of the feedban restrictions that CFIA said they are doing that they never did do- same as FDA in the states....I don't know remember which ones it was- but Canada still has big loopholes too......And the USDA was lobbying CFIA to get them to drop some restrictions also :roll:

OT, I believe Ralph has it right, however the whole chickenfeed thing is still a hole, in my opinion. Ruminant by products that could even remotely spread BSE should be destroyed, not fed to other animals. As far as the USDA lobbying for some of the dropped restrictions, I've been told that their pleas fell on deaf ears.

As long as those ears remain deaf, we'll be ok, but we definitely need to ensure that the CCA and other producer associations remain true to the needs of the PRODUCER.

Rod

 

[cowsense]

The REAL problem with BSE is not food safety which is addressed by the removal of SRM's but rather the POLITICAL trade issues which every jurisdiction tries to use to their advantage. BSE is just a convenient excuse to enable non-tariff trade barriers and close borders with absolutely no regard to scientific basis or fact! I find it quite hypocritical that the same protectionest groups that blocked Canadian imports cannot accept that Japan and other countries won't accept American beef!

 

[Sandhusker]

The REAL problem with BSE is not food safety which is addressed by the removal of SRM's but rather the POLITICAL trade issues which every jurisdiction tries to use to their advantage. BSE is just a convenient excuse to enable non-tariff trade barriers and close borders with absolutely no regard to scientific basis or fact! I find it quite hypocritical that the same protectionest groups that blocked Canadian imports cannot accept that Japan and other countries won't accept American beef!

I find it hypocritical that certain Canadians scream "protectionist" and rail about the unscientific basis for closed borders when Canada is doing the exact same thing.

 

[rjk]

Why were animal proteins fed back to cattle in the first place? we all know that they can make feeds higher in protein content by using other grains. Makes you really wonder who is controlling North America

MBM is 50% protein. What grains will contribute more protein?? Besides, MBM was often used for its bypass protein rather than just crude protein content. No conspiracy.

 

[Manitoba_Rancher]

rjk,


I dont care if it contributes 50% protein we should not have been feeding this to cattle. The one feed plant we deal with now has only ever used plant proteins in their feed. They have a darn good business.

 

[rjk]

rjk,


I dont care if it contributes 50% protein we should not have been feeding this to cattle. The one feed plant we deal with now has only ever used plant proteins in their feed. They have a darn good business.

Obviously, you're right about that MR! My point is that the only reason MBM was ever used is the same as any other feed ingredient....it was cost-effective for some diets. There wasn't knowledge about BSE back then. Now there is, so it's banned. (Possibly some loopholes that should be closed as well).

 

[cowsense]

The REAL problem with BSE is not food safety which is addressed by the removal of SRM's but rather the POLITICAL trade issues which every jurisdiction tries to use to their advantage. BSE is just a convenient excuse to enable non-tariff trade barriers and close borders with absolutely no regard to scientific basis or fact! I find it quite hypocritical that the same protectionest groups that blocked Canadian imports cannot accept that Japan and other countries won't accept American beef!

I find it hypocritical that certain Canadians scream "protectionist" and rail about the unscientific basis for closed borders when Canada is doing the exact same thing.

Sandhusker: Be so kind as to point out any country that Canada has suspended beef trade with due entirely to BSE......... THERE ARE NONE....Canada had suspended beef trade with the EU prior to BSE over unfair export subsidization and their non-tariff trade barriers aimed at Canadian product. I believe your country was following the same policy, probably enacted at the same time!

 

[Sandhusker]

The REAL problem with BSE is not food safety which is addressed by the removal of SRM's but rather the POLITICAL trade issues which every jurisdiction tries to use to their advantage. BSE is just a convenient excuse to enable non-tariff trade barriers and close borders with absolutely no regard to scientific basis or fact! I find it quite hypocritical that the same protectionest groups that blocked Canadian imports cannot accept that Japan and other countries won't accept American beef!

I find it hypocritical that certain Canadians scream "protectionist" and rail about the unscientific basis for closed borders when Canada is doing the exact same thing.

Sandhusker: Be so kind as to point out any country that Canada has suspended beef trade with due entirely to BSE......... THERE ARE NONE....Canada had suspended beef trade with the EU prior to BSE over unfair export subsidization and their non-tariff trade barriers aimed at Canadian product. I believe your country was following the same policy, probably enacted at the same time!

I think you're wrong about that EU deal, Cowsense. I was told that before so I did some research and it seems to me that is not the case.

What about Japan?

 

[flounder]

cowsense wrote;


Sandhusker: Be so kind as to point out any country that Canada has suspended beef trade with due entirely to BSE......... THERE ARE NONE....snip...end


hey there cowsense,

you might want to read this;

Import Controls Restrict Offshore Exposure
Since the 1980s it had been prohibited to import many of the products that had the potential to spread BSE in Canada. These restrictions had been put in place to protect Canada from other foreign diseases, such as foot and mouth disease. While not directed at BSE, these measures reduced the probability of BSE entry into Canada.

In 1990, based on the dramatic increase of BSE in the U.K., Canada banned the importation of cattle from the United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland. A monitoring system was also initiated for the remaining U.K. animals in Canada that had been imported since 1982. In 1991, beef products from European countries not free of BSE were also officially banned. Over the following years, Canada continued to bolster its BSE safeguards, expanding the regions from which animals, certain feeds and ruminant products were restricted. The United States also introduced similar import measures. However, the movement of animals and animal products between Canada and the United States continued.

Although current information would suggest that a low level of BSE had already entered North America prior to 1990, the measures taken since that time effectively restricted the subsequent entry of further BSE into Canada and the United States. Because of the shared BSE risk and the high level of integration of Canadian and American cattle industries, both countries have continued to take consistent measures to jointly manage the risks of this disease in North America.



http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasan/disemala/bseesb/bseesbfs2e.shtml



and this;



1994 UK EXPORTS BEEF VEAL USA , MEXICO $ CANADA ONLY
other Countries list in PDF file)

USA -------- TOTALS ''8'' TONS
CANADA -- TOTALS ''29'' TONS

1995 UK EXPORT BEEF AND VEAL TO USA AND CANADA

USA ------- TOTALS ''358'' TONS

CANADA --TOTALS ''24'' TONS

BONE-IN BEEF AND VEAL

USA-------- TOTALS ''10'' TONS (i think this is part of the 358 tons
above?)

UK EXPORT OF LIKE CATTLE TO USA AND CANADA

1986 TO 1996 USA TOTAL = 1297

1986 TO 1996 CAN TOTAL = 299

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11f/tab10.pdf

UK EXPORT MEAT OR OFFAL OF BOVINE ANIMALS DEC 1987

CANADA -- 64,526 KG

UK EXPORT OFFALS OF BOVINE ANIMALS FRESH CHILLED
OR FROZEN OTHER THAN LIVER DEC 1987 YTD

USA -- 45,943 KG

UK EXPORT MEAT OF BOVINE ANIMAL WITH BONE IN 1988

CANADA -- 4,163 KG

PREP OR PRES MEAT OR OFFAL OF BOVINE ANIMALS CUMULATIVE
TO DEC 1988

USA -------- 28,609 KG
CANADA -- 22,044 KG

MEAT OF BOVINE ANIMALS WITH BONE IN CUMULATIVE TO ANUAL 1989

USA -------- 17,880 KG
MEXICO---- 33,444 KG

BONELESS MEAT OF BOVINE 1989

USA --------111,953 KG
CANADA---1,800 KG
MEXICO --- 1,143,387 KG

EDIBLE OFFAL OF BOVINE ANIMALS 1989

USA -------- 19,980 KG
MEXICO--- 31,244 KG

MORE........

MEAT OF BOVINE ANIMALS BONELESS 1990

USA 146,443








http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab05.pdf




TSS

 

[cowsense]

As I stated previously Canada had already suspended imports with the EU (primarily Britain and Ireland) prior to BSE as part of a trade dispute involving dumping export subsidized beef into the Canadian market place and I stand behind that statement!!!! I could perhaps type it a bit slower for you Sandhusker but you should be able to get the picture by now!! And yes Canada imports Japanese beef (high value Kobe beef for specialty restaurants) and was allowing the importation quite a bit ahead of the US! By trying to normalize and depoliticize trade issues Canada is taking a lead position and this may explain why we are exporting to more countries than the US at present.

 

[Econ101]

As I stated previously Canada had already suspended imports with the EU (primarily Britain and Ireland) prior to BSE as part of a trade dispute involving dumping export subsidized beef into the Canadian market place and I stand behind that statement!!!! I could perhaps type it a bit slower for you Sandhusker but you should be able to get the picture by now!! And yes Canada imports Japanese beef (high value Kobe beef for specialty restaurants) and was allowing the importation quite a bit ahead of the US! By trying to normalize and depoliticize trade issues Canada is taking a lead position and this may explain why we are exporting to more countries than the US at present.

Cowsense, what do you think the taxpayer subsidy to Tyson and Cargill was? They still shipped the beef to the USA. I wouldn't be bringing this up if the majority of the money had gone to smaller Canadian producers, but that seems not to be the case.

You couldn't even get the Alberta govt. to adequately answer a few questions on the topic.

Producers are going to have to realize that there are games being played way above your heads and that you are just little pawns.

Our politicians have found the power structure and they are catering to it.

 

[cowsense]

Econ: Perhaps if you took the time to do a little research you would see that Canada's BSE aid was paid out to more than Cargill and Lakeside. The first program was paid to the feeding industry to help them cope with unsalable inventories that were almost made worthless overnight! If packers owned cattle on feed they were also eligible. This program helped a lot of feedlots survive (both the larger and the smaller family operations) until marketing options could be developed. While definately not perfect this program kept most feeders (unfortunately there were some casualties) in business and helped them prepare a survival strategy! This in turn allowed them to return to the marketplace and offer the cow-calf operater better price than what was expected. The program was a kneejerk reaction to a severe crises and could have been better designed but it did help retain the Canadian feeding industry!

 

[Econ101]

Econ: Perhaps if you took the time to do a little research you would see that Canada's BSE aid was paid out to more than Cargill and Lakeside. The first program was paid to the feeding industry to help them cope with unsalable inventories that were almost made worthless overnight! If packers owned cattle on feed they were also eligible. This program helped a lot of feedlots survive (both the larger and the smaller family operations) until marketing options could be developed. While definately not perfect this program kept most feeders (unfortunately there were some casualties) in business and helped them prepare a survival strategy! This in turn allowed them to return to the marketplace and offer the cow-calf operater better price than what was expected. The program was a kneejerk reaction to a severe crises and could have been better designed but it did help retain the Canadian feeding industry!

Cowsense, how much of the total was paid out to Tyson and Cargill? Someone already posted an article that said Tyson got $49 million dollars from the taxpayer.

Need I remind you that the spread of bse has been largely attributed to the packers selling the by product of MBM in ruminant feed?

In the U.S. there is currently a lot of legal action on asbestos and there has been for some time. Why can't our systems of govt. hold the packers to the same accountability standards as asbestos when it comes to the safety of our food supply?

Having said that, I understand your point on the taxpayer payout. I just don't think the industry leaders (largely family controlled Tyson and Cargill) need govt. help when it comes to subsidizing their supply lines when they are playing the concentration game, especially when their actions are accepted as the causative reason for the debacle in the first place.