Canadian Consumers have a Choice for their Health!!!

[Big Muddy rancher]

OT, voluntary tracking through Branded Beef tracks it all the way from ranch to plate.

The system is already there!

You're right- but the Tyson/Cargils of the world don't want to go that way-they want to maintain most of their product as generic beef so they can continue to import and pass off the imports from which ever place in the world is cheapest at the time, as US beef...

Question for you Murgen- Is there a Canadian Beef branded product? Do any in Canada certify its Canadian beef for the consumer? I've been checking with (calling, writing, e-mailing) many of the Branded beef programs over the last couple of months-- checking to see if they verify their beef as a US product-- and have found several that do (most of which are also all grassfed)-- but have found nowhere a company selling a product they advertise or certify as Canadian Beef....

Have you checked Natural Valley, Ross's L7 Tender Meats,just 2 that I am familiar with. Christoph Weders program would be. I am sure other Canadians could tell you more. The Super Store labels their meat from Canadian AA or high quality.

 

[Anonymous]

OT, voluntary tracking through Branded Beef tracks it all the way from ranch to plate.

The system is already there!

You're right- but the Tyson/Cargils of the world don't want to go that way-they want to maintain most of their product as generic beef so they can continue to import and pass off the imports from which ever place in the world is cheapest at the time, as US beef...

Question for you Murgen- Is there a Canadian Beef branded product? Do any in Canada certify its Canadian beef for the consumer? I've been checking with (calling, writing, e-mailing) many of the Branded beef programs over the last couple of months-- checking to see if they verify their beef as a US product-- and have found several that do (most of which are also all grassfed)-- but have found nowhere a company selling a product they advertise or certify as Canadian Beef....

Have you checked Natural Valley, Ross's L7 Tender Meats,just 2 that I am familiar with. Christoph Weders program would be. I am sure other Canadians could tell you more. The Super Store labels their meat from Canadian AA or high quality.

No I haven't checked any Canadian ones- thats the reason I was asking...Do they sell in the US? I found many grassfed programs that are all US- and several more saying that because of demand they are starting a US only Beef verification program...Didn't find any fedout beef programs that certify only US beef (altho I haven't received answers from about half)- but again heard from a couple that they were looking at the programs because of requests...There were a couple that made you want to believe their product was US and even touted the USDA inspected label as proof- but when called on it- that then admitted that they couldn't say it was US Beef.....

But in all the US beef programs I was able to google, yahoo, ask jeeves, and find in publications-- that I contacted- none had a Canadian beef program- and I found no retail outlets advertising or selling Canadian beef- so I was starting to wonder if such an animal exists....I know where I have seen bacon and ham labeled as a Canadian product at retail- I've never seen beef (just the Product of Canada empty box in the dumpster behind the store :wink: )...

 

[PORKER]

SCORINGAG.COM Does this with many products but not with these Spinach and Greens producers. According to the latest on the web there are 14 farmers under contract to three companys and they have over 100 fields.

So to reply to this comment;1) Is there really only ONE SINGLE company (regardless of how many brand names the cellophane carries) in the U.S. packaging spinach? No

2) Why ban "produce of the US" when it is really "produce of one company" and likely one plant at that! Three plants that handled it

Here's where complete and honest COOL would help both consumer and producer. I for one would like to know the real source of the spinach - down to the farm(s) - and the chain of custody through which it went. Failing that, show me the source of infection. ****** Yup , If they were on ScoringAg recordkeeping ,they would have been able to track it back to the field per the finest traceback system in the world on Aug 23 when the first people where hospitalized.Wonder how long it will take them to sign up in ScoringAg?

 

[Northern Rancher]

Keep looking OT pretty soon you'll find a source of good Canadian beef to fill your ample belly-might help you get that R-Calf fog out of your head so you can see things clearly again. Haven't more people died from eating that spinach than have ever died from CJD contracted from eating Canadian beef.

 

[Anonymous]

Haven't more people died from eating that spinach than have ever died from CJD contracted from eating Canadian beef.

So far on vCJD- but remember the incubation period is 5-40 years...The ties to regular CJD are not yet clear and are still highly debated- if science makes the connection your statement could be wrong then.....

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Now I've heard it all OT. You can't find Canadian branded beef in the US, so it must not exist? I've never seen US branded beef up here, so I guess it must not exist either :roll:

Let me guess, your next line was going to be: I guess you Canadians aren't proud enough of your beef to label it.

Get this through your head, once and for all OT: When beef leaves here, its PROUDLY stamped Product Of Canada. Its not our fault that your processors remove the label.

Rod

 

[Anonymous]

Now I've heard it all OT. You can't find Canadian branded beef in the US, so it must not exist? I've never seen US branded beef up here, so I guess it must not exist either :roll:

Let me guess, your next line was going to be: I guess you Canadians aren't proud enough of your beef to label it.

Get this through your head, once and for all OT: When beef leaves here, its PROUDLY stamped Product Of Canada. Its not our fault that your processors remove the label.

Rod

Actually I was not setting up anyone for anything- just checking because even in my computer searching for Branded programs I had came across no Canadian beef ones....

But its sad that its so unknown that it won't sell with that label on it- that the US retailers have to remove the Canadian markings, restamp with a USDA stamp and pass off as USDA product to move it....Don't you agree that is sad ?

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

But its sad that its so unknown that it won't sell with that label on it- that the US retailers have to remove the Canadian markings, restamp with a USDA stamp and pass off as USDA product to move it....Don't you agree that is sad ?

Huh? How is it sad? Most Americans prefer to buy US goods, just like the vast majority of Canadians prefer to buy Canadian goods. Retailers and processors know this, so they remove the "Product Of" label from the beef and sell it. I know very well that I've eaten US beef at one time or another, and it simply wasn't labelled as such. So its got NOTHING to do with being unknown.

Rod

 

[Anonymous]

But its sad that its so unknown that it won't sell with that label on it- that the US retailers have to remove the Canadian markings, restamp with a USDA stamp and pass off as USDA product to move it....Don't you agree that is sad ?

Huh? How is it sad? Most Americans prefer to buy US goods, just like the vast majority of Canadians prefer to buy Canadian goods. Retailers and processors know this, so they remove the "Product Of" label from the beef and sell it. I know very well that I've eaten US beef at one time or another, and it simply wasn't labelled as such. So its got NOTHING to do with being unknown.

Rod

I do agree with you that many Americans do prefer to buy US goods- and especially food products...I think the US cattle industry has missed a big boon by not having M-COOL and their beef identified following the 9/11 attack with the patriotic-pro American emotion that has followed...

So you think its perfectly OK to defraud consumers and give them the false impression its a US product, when its not- as long as it helps sell YOUR product-eh? Definitely Sad

 

[Tam]

But its sad that its so unknown that it won't sell with that label on it- that the US retailers have to remove the Canadian markings, restamp with a USDA stamp and pass off as USDA product to move it....Don't you agree that is sad ?

Huh? How is it sad? Most Americans prefer to buy US goods, just like the vast majority of Canadians prefer to buy Canadian goods. Retailers and processors know this, so they remove the "Product Of" label from the beef and sell it. I know very well that I've eaten US beef at one time or another, and it simply wasn't labelled as such. So its got NOTHING to do with being unknown.

Rod

I do agree with you that many Americans do prefer to buy US goods- and especially food products...I think the US cattle industry has missed a big boon by not having M-COOL and their beef identified following the 9/11 attack with the patriotic-pro American emotion that has followed...

So you think its perfectly OK to defraud consumers and give them the false impression its a US product, when its not- as long as it helps sell YOUR product-eh? Definitely Sad

Oldtimer it is your butcher that is defrauding the consumer NOT the Canadians!!!!! and do you think he would keep buying Canadian beef, if his consumers didn't like the tenderness and taste of the meat? Just maybe he is passing our meat off as US as he can't find a supply of true US beef that sells as well as the Canadian. :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

Huh? How is it sad? Most Americans prefer to buy US goods, just like the vast majority of Canadians prefer to buy Canadian goods. Retailers and processors know this, so they remove the "Product Of" label from the beef and sell it. I know very well that I've eaten US beef at one time or another, and it simply wasn't labelled as such. So its got NOTHING to do with being unknown.

Rod

I do agree with you that many Americans do prefer to buy US goods- and especially food products...I think the US cattle industry has missed a big boon by not having M-COOL and their beef identified following the 9/11 attack with the patriotic-pro American emotion that has followed...

So you think its perfectly OK to defraud consumers and give them the false impression its a US product, when its not- as long as it helps sell YOUR product-eh? Definitely Sad

Oldtimer it is your butcher that is defrauding the consumer NOT the Canadians!!!!! and do you think he would keep buying Canadian beef, if his consumers didn't like the tenderness and taste of the meat? Just maybe he is passing our meat off as US as he can't find a supply of true US beef that sells as well as the Canadian. :wink:

And Canadians will continue to go right along with it as long as its scheckels in their pockets...Part of a huge deception on the consumers...

Doesn't it just burn you a little tho Tammy to know that your product can't even be marketed, if properly labeled ? That they have to pass it off as US to sell it :???:

 

[Tam]

I do agree with you that many Americans do prefer to buy US goods- and especially food products...I think the US cattle industry has missed a big boon by not having M-COOL and their beef identified following the 9/11 attack with the patriotic-pro American emotion that has followed...

So you think its perfectly OK to defraud consumers and give them the false impression its a US product, when its not- as long as it helps sell YOUR product-eh? Definitely Sad

Oldtimer it is your butcher that is defrauding the consumer NOT the Canadians!!!!! and do you think he would keep buying Canadian beef, if his consumers didn't like the tenderness and taste of the meat? Just maybe he is passing our meat off as US as he can't find a supply of true US beef that sells as well as the Canadian. :wink:

And Canadians will continue to go right along with it as long as its scheckels in their pockets...Part of a huge deception on the consumers...

Doesn't it just burn you a little tho Tammy to know that your product can't even be marketed, if properly labeled ? That they have to pass it off as US to sell it :???:

Oldtimer does it burn you alot that these butchers can't find enough good tasting US beef to sell that they resort to relabeling Canadian beef to ensure that their consumers will come back and buy more? :? Sure it would be great if they didn't relabel it but thanks to the likes of you and R-CALF are they to chance loosing sales because of the lies about the safety of Canadian beef when they know that ours is just as safe as yours if not more so? :roll: And the label is a USDA INSPECTED label not US BEEF label. If consumers don't know what that label means by now then they have not been listening to the media and R-CALF to close HAVE THEY? :wink:

 

[Bill]

I do agree with you that many Americans do prefer to buy US goods- and especially food products...I think the US cattle industry has missed a big boon by not having M-COOL and their beef identified following the 9/11 attack with the patriotic-pro American emotion that has followed...

So you think its perfectly OK to defraud consumers and give them the false impression its a US product, when its not- as long as it helps sell YOUR product-eh? Definitely Sad

Oldtimer it is your butcher that is defrauding the consumer NOT the Canadians!!!!! and do you think he would keep buying Canadian beef, if his consumers didn't like the tenderness and taste of the meat? Just maybe he is passing our meat off as US as he can't find a supply of true US beef that sells as well as the Canadian. :wink:

And Canadians will continue to go right along with it as long as its scheckels in their pockets...Part of a huge deception on the consumers...

Doesn't it just burn you a little tho Tammy to know that your product can't even be marketed, if properly labeled ? That they have to pass it off as US to sell it :???:

Give it a break Oldtimer. You rag and whine to Canadians about our beef being relabelled as American. IT IS AMERICANS DOING IT. You are taking a superior product and selling it as American and you wrote a few weeks ago about watching a fellow American who did just that.

 

[Bill]

Well Cowsense Oldtimer is prob. trying to find a link to show where that spinach is being fed to Canadian cows :shock: We are still feeding ours chicken crap in some places but not any evil spinach :lol:

Yep just like when some R-Klanners were whimpering about generic US Ivermectin being used on Canadian cattle. According to them it is OK to use it in the US but not in Canada so they wanted the border closed to risky Canadian beef that had been treated with an American product!
:roll: :roll:

Bill- BULL CRAP--SHOW ME WHERE R-CALF EVER COMPLAINED ABOUT CANADIAN PRODUCERS USING GENERIC IVERMECTIN.....

I can show you where I even gave Canadian producers phone numbers for Western Ranch and Big R so they could compare prices- and told them how they would deliver right to the border- both on this forum and on Agriville...

You guys are caught up in your little fantasy world about big bad evil boogey man R-CALF- and when something is shown how it works, or how it can work and benefit the consumer all you can do is attack R-CALF...Canadian beef has apparently sank to a new low-- when Canadian producers even think that your product won't sell with legitimate labeling on it and without putting on the USDA inspected label and passing off as US beef.....Sad day for Canadian cattlemen

Consumers should be given as much info as is available for making an informed choice of what they want to eat...And at this time COOL info is available- its just not being given to the consumers...

Bull crap? Show you proof? This from the King of spinning and diverting? :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Absolutely hilarious!

To quote you Oldtimer:

From what I've read and been told tho by those that have watched

It was in the media up here............you find it!

 

[mwj]

I do agree with you that many Americans do prefer to buy US goods- and especially food products...I think the US cattle industry has missed a big boon by not having M-COOL and their beef identified following the 9/11 attack with the patriotic-pro American emotion that has followed...

So you think its perfectly OK to defraud consumers and give them the false impression its a US product, when its not- as long as it helps sell YOUR product-eh? Definitely Sad

Oldtimer it is your butcher that is defrauding the consumer NOT the Canadians!!!!! and do you think he would keep buying Canadian beef, if his consumers didn't like the tenderness and taste of the meat? Just maybe he is passing our meat off as US as he can't find a supply of true US beef that sells as well as the Canadian. :wink:

And Canadians will continue to go right along with it as long as its scheckels in their pockets...Part of a huge deception on the consumers...

Doesn't it just burn you a little tho Tammy to know that your product can't even be marketed, if properly labeled ? That they have to pass it off as US to sell it :???:

Oldtimer with all your research you have been doing would you provide some PROOF about this non selling Canadian beef! When they throw this beef away does it go to the landfill? Is all of your consumer research done in the store closest to you. I regularly shop in several grocery stores in a local town with a state university and 100,000 people within driving distance. I am yet to see the first person ask the butcher where the meat came from. The 3 things they look for are price ,fat content and pkg. size beyond that they look at pork and poultry.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

So you think its perfectly OK to defraud consumers and give them the false impression its a US product, when its not- as long as it helps sell YOUR product-eh? Definitely Sad

You're getting as bad as SH for twisting things. I think it is sad that US retailers and processors have so little regard for their own US product that they refuse to label it. All I was trying to do is ensure that you didn't pathetically attempt to deflect the blame onto Canadians (as I see you've attempted in this last message). We proudly label our beef. Its your own countrymen who don't. Quit blaming us. I'm sick of all the anti-Canadian crap you spew.

Rod

 

[IL Rancher]

When I worked at the Albertsons butcher block in Bozeman we got several questions a day about where the beef/lamb came from.. Although strangely the most common question was where the Chicken came from, they did not want Arkansas chicken... Ours came from... God, been to long but a lot of those Hutterite Chickens sold because they were "local" instead of out of state...

IT was not a huge percentage of total customers who asked but it was not an uncommon question.

 

[Bill]

When I worked at the Albertsons butcher block in Bozeman we got several questions a day about where the beef/lamb came from.. Although strangely the most common question was where the Chicken came from, they did not want Arkansas chicken... Ours came from... God, been to long but a lot of those Hutterite Chickens sold because they were "local" instead of out of state...

IT was not a huge percentage of total customers who asked but it was not an uncommon question.

With all due respect Bozeman Montana hardly represents the average US consumer. How many Bozeman's does it take to make an L.A., New York or Chicago? There are more "ethnic" minorities in LA than the entire population of Montana, N Dakota and S.Dakota combined.

U.S. Census data from 2000 show that 49 percent of the population of Los Angeles County is white, 45 percent is Hispanic or Latino, 12 percent is Asian and 10 percent is African-American--meaning all groups are minorities. However, the Los Angeles DMA is home to about one-fifth of all U.S. Hispanics.

Those "minorities" are far more concerned with price than whether it was produced in the US!

Here are some more interesting demographic figures.
http://ats.agr.ca/us/4040_e.htm

 

[IL Rancher]

Bill, This was also 7 years ago. Things change. I am just saying that people do ask after someone who is talking about Champaign Urbana (Just a guess since he said university town and is located in centrel Illinois) said that he has never heard anyone ask. Did I say it was 1/4 customers? 1/10?. Hundreds of folks cam through that store a day. 5 or 6 questions is maybe 2-3 percent of the folks hitting the meat case...

Bill, I was born in LA county, grew up outside of Chicago, worked in downtown Chicago for a year and went to University just north of Chicago before I moved out west so I am Well aware that Chicago, New York, LA and Miami and other metro centers are different than Bozeman... . Most every customer there was a transplant from a more metro area.. This is why some on this site refer to Bozeman as Bozangelos or something to that affect. My neighbors were from Boston and Dallas of all places with my wife and I being from Chicago. It is also a University town to some extent and has trourist traffic. It is not a typical city as far as the west is concerned.. It has much more transient population of vacationers and such... Not too many minorities and most that we did have didn't eat beef anyways, unless it was odd cuts like short ribs and stuff like thatm were more chicken and pork fans...

Again, This isn't anti canadian or imports. If you think it is than I apologize. I am just saying that people did ask, sometimes more than once..(Especiall with that dang Chicken). The biggest complaints about price back than were the ranchers that came in and wondered how we were charging 16.99 or whatever it was a pound for CAB angus tenderolin when prices at the ranch were so crappy (1999) But heck, as I said, things change.

 

[Jason]

Again, This isn't anti canadian or imports. If you think it is than I apologize. I am just saying that people did ask, sometimes more than once..(Especiall with that dang Chicken). The biggest complaints about price back than were the ranchers that came in and wondered how we were charging 16.99 or whatever it was a pound for CAB angus tenderolin when prices at the ranch were so crappy (1999) But heck, as I said, things change.

Ranchers coming in to a store asking about a product they raise is not typical consumers.

How many ranchers would a store in L.A. get?

It is sad to realize that a rancher wouldn't know there is only one small tenderloin per animal and in 1999 only 15% of the black cattle slaughtered were accepted for CAB.

Comparing the most expensive cut on a steer to the farmgate price is pretty stupid.