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highgrit said:
Silver said:
highgrit said:
COOL is needed for for the US consumer, and the consumers abroad that think they are buying US of A beef. Just because a animal is slaughtered, processed in the US of A doesn't make it a product of the US of A.
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Doesn't it? Tell you what, if you touched it last and contaminated it with E. Coli it damn well better have your name all over it.
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And that's another good reason not to sell beef imported from another country as a product of the US of A, why take the risk of importing a disease from another country? The fact is the US of A doesn't need to import Canadian beef. Mexican beef is a cheaper product for the consumer. And a leaner, cheaper carcass for the processor that already has the fat to mix with ground beef for hamburger.
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No point in me carrying on this conversation, I thought I was talking to a rancher.
 
From what I have read, NAFTA will have to be repealed and they'll have to start all over again. They're too far apart.............
 
Faster horses said:
I can find lots of 'branded beef' around here. Most of it is pretty good.
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Same here! However, a few days ago we did learn that steaks from a 15 or 18 year old Longhorn Steer need to be marinated before pan grilling if you want them to be tender. The filet's were nicely tender, and sirloins were delicious but need to be sliced thinly when eating them.

FH, I just had to look back to this quote from you! We have been growing the horns on these cattle and decided it was time to process them with pastures getting short and fearing next winter may not be mild as we would like.

We had the two steers processed at Sturgis Meat Service due to wanting to save the horns on the heads. They did a great job on them.

mrj
 
highgrit said:
There's no reason we should import Canadian beef into the US of A. I can see importing Mexican beef because of the price difference. But any imported foods should need a COOL label, and not be processed with US beef.
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That northern border has always been pretty easily crossed. There are many families who for generations have lived and farmed or ranched along the border, probably on both sides of it, for that matter.

I believe there are packing plants near the border, probably on both sides, and at both ends and maybe even in the middle of the border, which process cattle from both countries. In fact they depend on cattle from both countries to keep the plants operating. And the cattle producers need a packing plant within feasible distance of their farm or ranch. It simply happened that way, no mean spirited scheme to harm one group or another.

"price difference' between beef produced in different countries has many causes. And quality certainly comes into play. While I don't know if it is correct or not, it is my opinion that cattle, among other things, raised in northern climates sure can be of better quality. Government similarities and regulation would give Canadian cattle and edge over Mexican, it seem logical to me. Mexican governments seem less stable and less driven by all their people, which leads to instability or regulations whereas USA and CAN seem to have more stability and less corruption, leading to more trustworthy foods. And, yes, there surely are many good, honest cattle producers in MEX., they just have a harder time producing food, imo. Yet I do know that our US Inspection system works to assure that the meat we do import meets our standards when it inspects their beef.

Do we "need" imported beef in the USA? Doesn't all the beef get sold? And I do believe we are producing more tonnage of beef than ever even with our smaller cow herd, so it seems that importing some beef isn't hurting us. I do know that we cannot sell the tongues, livers, tripe and other parts produced by US cattle within the USA! Trade can benefit us both ways. But, yes, we could use better 'horse traders' in the government agencies, some that are honest and dedicated to making the best and fairest deals possible for us!

mrj
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highgrit said:
We have the the leader in beef checkoff money "NCBA" not wanting COOL. The feedlots - cattlemen that control NCBA import beef mostly from Mexico so of course they don't want COOL. At our cattlemens meeting last week we discussed buying Mexican beef at $4.99 lb or buy CAB beef for $8.49 lb. Everyone wanted to pay the extra money for CAB ribeyes. You can't blame the consumer for buying Mexican beef, but I can blame NCBA and the Government, free trade my donkey.
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highgrit, you seem a bit mixed up between functions of NCBA Dues Division, and The Federation of State Beef Councils. It is the Federation which does the work for the Beef Check Off. And the Dues Division does the work the members vote to do.

The Beef Check Off contract work has to be completed and approved by the Check Off Board before the contractor is paid.

By the way, various members of our family have attended and participated fully in lots of meetings of NCBA and the predecessor organizations over at least the past 100 years of three generations being involved, and have not witnessed any one segment of the members successfully bully the cow/calf ranchers into anything!

mrj
 
mrj said:
highgrit said:
There's no reason we should import Canadian beef into the US of A. I can see importing Mexican beef because of the price difference. But any imported foods should need a COOL label, and not be processed with US beef.
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That northern border has always been pretty easily crossed. There are many families who for generations have lived and farmed or ranched along the border, probably on both sides of it, for that matter.

I believe there are packing plants near the border, probably on both sides, and at both ends and maybe even in the middle of the border, which process cattle from both countries. In fact they depend on cattle from both countries to keep the plants operating. And the cattle producers need a packing plant within feasible distance of their farm or ranch. It simply happened that way, no mean spirited scheme to harm one group or another.

"price difference' between beef produced in different countries has many causes. And quality certainly comes into play. While I don't know if it is correct or not, it is my opinion that cattle, among other things, raised in northern climates sure can be of better quality. Government similarities and regulation would give Canadian cattle and edge over Mexican, it seem logical to me. Mexican governments seem less stable and less driven by all their people, which leads to instability or regulations whereas USA and CAN seem to have more stability and less corruption, leading to more trustworthy foods. And, yes, there surely are many good, honest cattle producers in MEX., they just have a harder time producing food, imo. Yet I do know that our US Inspection system works to assure that the meat we do import meets our standards when it inspects their beef.

Do we "need" imported beef in the USA? Doesn't all the beef get sold? And I do believe we are producing more tonnage of beef than ever even with our smaller cow herd, so it seems that importing some beef isn't hurting us. I do know that we cannot sell the tongues, livers, tripe and other parts produced by US cattle within the USA! Trade can benefit us both ways. But, yes, we could use better 'horse traders' in the government agencies, some that are honest and dedicated to making the best and fairest deals possible for us!

mrj
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Supply and demand drives the market, less Canadian beef in the US means a higher price for our beef. Before COOL was shot down we were seeing record prices for beef in this country. When COOL didn't pass the price of beef plummeted. There was more in play than just COOL, but the fact is not passing COOL played a roll in US market. Look at TPP and the NAFTA, we haven't seen the market crash that NCBA was trying to sell us yet. We'll just have to agree to disagree on Canada and NCBA's involvement in free trade. Canada doesn't buy tongue, tripe or any other low value beef products from us...Mexico does. NCBA should be hammering Brazil for quality control and demand to stop all beef imports from there.
 
As far as cool goes, I can't see the problem - if cattle spend 15 minutes outside the border, they're not all american. Now mrj mentions the cost, and that's a fact. Proponents of cool think they've found a sneaky dirty way to descriminate against foreign beef. Well, Canadian beef that doesn't qualify for the new cool, ya it isn't going to disappear. It will simply move to the next best economic market - say displace us sales in Japan. Think of excluding a mostly fungible product like trying to shovel water from one side of the boat to the other. It really is better to let the market decide what beef goes where. Now, I can't argue against better information for consumers. The dirty secret of cool is it lumps Canadian beef with Brazil or Indonesia. I certainly know cool isn't the only dirty secret in the trade battle. Try driving a truckload into Canada. You might like a Canadian individual that you know, but the socialists up there are along damn way from friends and allies. I'm ok with how things are, I just want the truth known.
 
Brad S said:
You might like a Canadian individual that you know, but the socialists up there are along damn way from friends and allies. I'm ok with how things are, I just want the truth known.
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I think there is something severely wrong with you.
 
I don't like any imports, but Canada is the least of our problems. The Canadians have a economy and lifestyle similar to ours, Mexico, Brazil and China isn't in the same class as far as I'm concerned.
 
so soon you all forget...

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It's easy to forget something you never really paid much attention to because it's all a bunch of crap.
 

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