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Cattlemen's Group Wrangles With Its Former Allies

~SH~ said:
Sandman: "You're talking out of your butt again, SH. I challenge you to back your statement with numbers. How much in US dollars did Tyson make in Canada and how much did they lose in their NW plants?"
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Your typical response! Always having others prove every statement that you don't agree with so you can create the "ILLUSION" of POSSIBLY BEING RIGHT without backing your position with facts to the contrary.

You accused me of being wrong, the burden of proof is on you to PROVE IT!

I am not about to defend every statement I make to the pathetic likes of you so you can continue your relentless pursuit for the chink in the armour of facts to support your blaming bias.


~SH~
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Facts? Just what do you know about facts? You made a statement and I'm asking you to be a man and back it. Show me some of these facts that you purportedly champion, SH.
 
Hey, Mr. facts, I missed your answer. I want to know on which side of the ledger of your "record of accuracy" to file this under.

You know, SH, you need to stop and think. If you have to revert to making up "facts", aren't you backing the wrong side?
 
Sandhusker said:
Hey, Mr. facts, I missed your answer. I want to know on which side of the ledger of your "record of accuracy" to file this under.

You know, SH, you need to stop and think. If you have to revert to making up "facts", aren't you backing the wrong side?
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Well well well isn't this funny coming from an R-CALFer. :wink: :lol2: :lol2:
 
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Randy: "Did Cargill and Tyson realize profits due to the closed border to Canada SH? A simple yes or no would suffice."
How many times do I have to answer that question for you? The answer is absolutely.

I have said how many times that packers had an advantage in Canada due to more cattle than slaughter capacity. Have I said it a hundred times yet Randy? You can't hear it enough though can you? You also cannot accept that I understand that reality can you?

That doesn't circumvent the fact that their NW U.S. plants were losing money which more than offset the gains in Canada.
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This bold statement by SH is the most amazing thing I have ever read on this site. SH has somehow figured it out folks. Tyson foods and Cargill lost more in their NW beef packing plants than they made in their two Canadian plant. AMAZING. The man with the facts has come up with a fairy tale that will rival the Three Little Pigs.

What a Joke.

Every now and again SH and Agman have shaken my confidence with their name calling and put downs. This statement will never allow me to feel that way again.

SH - your statement is a joke, it is pathetic, and shows your simple one track mind to defend the packers until the day you die.
 
Randy: "This bold statement by SH is the most amazing thing I have ever read on this site. SH has somehow figured it out folks. Tyson foods and Cargill lost more in their NW beef packing plants than they made in their two Canadian plant. AMAZING. The man with the facts has come up with a fairy tale that will rival the Three Little Pigs."
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Your proof to the contrary is what?

NON EXISTANT!

It's not what you WANT TO BELIEVE so you don't believe it.

Even when faced with the fact that the packers signed an amicus brief with the court supporting the opening of the Canadian border and even when faced with the fact that the packers filed suit against USDA to allow the importation of otm cattle, you still believe that they wanted the border to stay closed so they could continue to screw poor little Randy.

What's really funny is that you join hands with R-CULT in blaming packers but you blame them for different reasons. R-CULT says they wanted the border opened. You say they wanted the border closed.

Why don't you guys sort it out? You can't both be right!

What could be more funny than two packer blamers joining hands to blame packers with contradicting arguments? LOL!

That's what makes this so entertaining.

Anyone with a stitch of common sense knows that the surplus of cattle in Canada created a deficit in U.S. plants that used to slaughter those cattle. Anyone but a bona fide packer blamer could reason that one out.

BUT NOT RANDY, NO, HE WANT'S TO BELIEVE THAT PACKERS CONSPIRED TO KEEP THE BORDER CLOSED.

Not one stitch of evidence supports that claim BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER IF THAT'S WHAT RANDY WANTS TO BELIEVE.

The benefits in Canada did not offset the losses in U.S. plants.


Look at the hypocritical Sandman too. On one hand, he supports R-CULT's position that Canada wanted to import cheaper Canadian cattle to depress the market. On the other hand, he's calling for proof that Cargill and Tyson did just that?

Hahaha!

You guys are so full of "SPUR OF THE MOMENT BLAME" that you can't even reason how you are contradicting your previous postitions and contradicting eachother. But hey, facts never mattered before, why should they now?

Sandman's calling for proof of profits in Canada being offset by losses in the U.S. is calling R-CULT to the table on their claim that packers used Canadian cattle supplies to depress U.S. prices. Good luck sorting it out you fool.



~SH~
 
SH, what does it take to get you to actually provide some of the truths you claim you are interested in? I'd like to know the facts of this case as it would shed light in what we have been speculating about. I'm sure Randy would be interested in those numbers, as well.

Then again, not just making things up, are you? Wouldn't that be deception? Would that be lying?
 
Sure having to do a lot of explainin to yourself eh SH.

Tyson and Cargill did not conspire, they simply sat back and watched and enjoyed. The ultimate capitalists like I always say. Sure got SH and Agman convinced of their goodness. To the point of making up the biggest fairy tale in history.

Tell the children of the USA your fairy tale SH, cause it won't go well with any Adult in the free world.

Like I said, no proof of any conspiracy, but your story is far beyond conspiracy, and far beyond stretching the truth, it is pathetic.

Divert to the Rcalf connection again SH, that a boy.
 
Divertion Master, the topic is your statement, "That doesn't circumvent the fact that their NW U.S. plants were losing money which more than offset the gains in Canada.

Now try to stay on topic without diverting and dodging. If you can honestly make that statement, you would need numbers. Either provide them or stop lying, and stop telling all how you are interestd only in the truth.
 
Have you two sorted it out yet?

Sandman supports R-CULT and R-CULT claims Tyson and Cargill wanted the border opened.

Randy says the packers sat back and took advantage of the closed Canadian border.

Which way is it guys? Did Tyson and Cargill want the border opened or did they want it to stay closed?

ONLY ONE OF YOU CAN BE RIGHT!

Why aren't you guys debating your differences?

HEY, WAIT, I KNOW, BECAUSE YOU ARE BOTH BLAMING PACKERS.

Doesn't matter if your arguments contradict eachother as long as you can "BWAME DA PACKAH" together! LOL!

What a couple of fools!


Want to watch Randy dance?

Randy, give me your best argument to support your contention that Tyson and Cargill wanted the border to remain closed......

Watch this diversion...................DANCE RANDY, DANCE!


Randy I hate to point out the obvious but you have brought nothing to support your position and nothing to contradict mine. Can you say "EMPTY"?



~SH~
 
Sandman,

I already told you, I am not going to play along with your little games of qualifying every statement I make that you disagree with when I asked you 20 times to present the evidence to prove that ibp manipulated cattle markets during the Pickett era and you diverted every time.

PROVE ME WRONG!


~SH~
 
Is that what we have come to? Anybody can lie and and make up "facts" and then they have to be proven wrong? Ain't you something....

Why not be a man and back yourself?
 
Sure can't shake good old SH. One track. You either agree or you are a packer blamer.

There's a lot of dancing going on all right, and it's right in SH's living room.

Randy, give me your best argument to support your contention that Tyson and Cargill wanted the border to remain closed......
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My best arguement is and always has been money SH. Major expansion and company takeovers in Canada attribute to that claim. Are there plant abandonments in the NW by Cagill and Tyson too back your fairy tale.

Now what's your answer. And don't divert to the amicus brief once again. If that is the twist that caused Tyson and Cargill to pull you in fine, but I don't bite that bait.
 
Randy: "My best arguement is and always has been money SH."
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What do you have to back that position?

Do you have Tyson and Cargill's TOTAL (Canada and U.S.) BEEF PROCESSING profit and loss information for the period of time when the border was closed?

Hell no you don't!

YOU GOT NOTHING but a compelling need to blame!


RK: "Are there plant abandonments in the NW by Cagill and Tyson too back your fairy tale."
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Did I mention plant abandonments in this thread Randy or is that something else you created in your vivid imagination?

You want to lecture on lies?

My position is that the profits made in Canada due to having more cattle than slaughter capacity were offset by the losses in U.S. plants that relied on Canadian cattle. I never mentioned anything about plant abandonments.

I suppose cutting back shifts and layoffs was beneficial huh?


Sandman,

What is your proof that ibp manipulated markets during the Pickett era?



~SH~
 
Sorry You can't understand my answer SH, maybe I'll try again.

My best arguement is and always has been money SH. Major expansion and company takeovers in Canada attribute to that claim. Are there plant abandonments in the NW by Cagill and Tyson too back your fairy tale.

Help yourself to paste part of this answer again if you like SH.

You claim is more losses in the NW states than gains in the two big Canadian plants. What are your arguements?
 
Nice diversion Randy.

Want to try it again...........

What do you have to back that position Randy?

Do you have Tyson and Cargill's TOTAL (Canada and U.S.) BEEF PROCESSING profit and loss information for the period of time when the border was closed?

Did I mention plant abandonments in this thread Randy or is that something else you created in your vivid imagination?



~SH~
 
Divertion Master, the topic is your statement, "That doesn't circumvent the fact that their NW U.S. plants were losing money which more than offset the gains in Canada.

Now try to stay on topic without diverting and dodging. If you can honestly make that statement, you would need numbers. Either provide them or stop lying, and stop telling all how you are interestd only in the truth.
 
Master "illusionist", the topic is you providing proof that ibp manipulated markets. Until you can answer that question, any questions you have will remain unanswered.



~SH~
 
Doesn't matter if your arguments contradict eachother as long as you can "BWAME DA PACKAH" together! LOL!
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SH--, Please stop the Elmer Dudd"BWAME DA PACKAH" routine if you want to get to the answers. You have made much more outlandish statements on this forum than what I have seen Mike C. make up. Your opinions are valued only to the extent that they are reasonable, relavent, and credible. People are thinking out loud on these boards and bringing good information to the table. Please stop ridiculing everyone for what they bring especially when your comments are as obviously only bouncing around in your own head.
 
Sandhusker, I'm surprised at you! Don't put the man on the spot like that!

You know damn well he can't back up that claim with facts! :shock:

Ever seen a possum with his tail wrapped around a tree limb to keep from falling out? :wink:
 

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