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Kato said:
PORKER said:
Reason was VanDykes purchased the Canadian cattle unknownly in Feb. 2006 from local sale barns.

VanDykes owned and fed those cattle for 10 months.

:shock: Did anyone else see them there?

USDA claims the fat cattle entered the US going to SWIFT a few hours before slaughter. WRONG

:shock: How do you know that? Have you seen the export papers?

Vet says he sees papers from port of entry that were of that specific date. WRONG

:shock: How do you know that? Have seen the export papers?

SWIFT says CATTLE were brought in by VanDykes. RIGHT

Obviously they've changed their minds about that, and don't say it now.

SWIFT says Some of VanDykes cattle had Canadian tags including one with the word HORN hand writtened on it .RIGHT

If it had HORN written on it, that would be listed on the export papers.

SO WHO is LIEING ,IT's EASY

:shock: Maybe no one is lying. Maybe he's mistaken, and for sure Swift's was mistaken in the beginning.

So How many Family's or order/borkers named Horn have done the live Canada cattle export scheme.

Pretty common name. May not even be a name. Maybe it's the name of the cow? 8)
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All he needs to do is ask to see the export papers himself. There should be a copy at the plant, at the border, at the CFIA office, and in the records of the Canadian vet who inspected them for export.

As for the CA meaning Certified Angus, I don't know what the American Angus tags look like, but the Canadian ones have the word ANGUS written on them, and they are all green. Isn't it a common enough program down there for most people to know what a real certified angus tag looks like? Everyone up here does, and you have a higher percentage of Angus cattle in your herds than we do. :roll:
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Kato-- The man (Mr. VanDyck) or the Stockgrowers Assn shouldn't have to be running around doing any of that...USDA should have copies of all that and should be making that available for inspection to whoever wishes to see them- along with all their investigation reports...Especially to the victim that had his money withheld for 2 months and was insinuated by Swift/USDA to be a smuggler...

Our government is supposed to be responsive and open to us--not cloaking itself in secrecy and back door dealings.....There continued silence and foot dragging stinks.....
 
The man (Mr. VanDyck) or the Stockgrowers Assn shouldn't have to be running around doing any of that...USDA should have copies of all that and should be making that available for inspection to whoever wishes to see them-

Isn't that what I said? If he wants to see them, he should ask to see them. That would settle it once and for all. Why is that running around? :?

Or maybe no one really wants the truth? It might not be useful to the cause.
 
Kato said:
The man (Mr. VanDyck) or the Stockgrowers Assn shouldn't have to be running around doing any of that...USDA should have copies of all that and should be making that available for inspection to whoever wishes to see them-

Isn't that what I said? If he wants to see them, he should ask to see them. That would settle it once and for all. Why is that running around? :?

Or maybe no one really wants the truth? It might not be useful to the cause.
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Did you not read Mr. VanDykes post where he says they have asked for the info and copies of the investigation report-- and still not been given anything..... :???:
 
Oldtimer said:
Kato said:
PORKER said:
Reason was VanDykes purchased the Canadian cattle unknownly in Feb. 2006 from local sale barns.

VanDykes owned and fed those cattle for 10 months.

:shock: Did anyone else see them there?

USDA claims the fat cattle entered the US going to SWIFT a few hours before slaughter. WRONG

:shock: How do you know that? Have you seen the export papers?

Vet says he sees papers from port of entry that were of that specific date. WRONG

:shock: How do you know that? Have seen the export papers?

SWIFT says CATTLE were brought in by VanDykes. RIGHT

Obviously they've changed their minds about that, and don't say it now.

SWIFT says Some of VanDykes cattle had Canadian tags including one with the word HORN hand writtened on it .RIGHT

If it had HORN written on it, that would be listed on the export papers.

SO WHO is LIEING ,IT's EASY

:shock: Maybe no one is lying. Maybe he's mistaken, and for sure Swift's was mistaken in the beginning.

So How many Family's or order/borkers named Horn have done the live Canada cattle export scheme.

Pretty common name. May not even be a name. Maybe it's the name of the cow? 8)
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All he needs to do is ask to see the export papers himself. There should be a copy at the plant, at the border, at the CFIA office, and in the records of the Canadian vet who inspected them for export.

As for the CA meaning Certified Angus, I don't know what the American Angus tags look like, but the Canadian ones have the word ANGUS written on them, and they are all green. Isn't it a common enough program down there for most people to know what a real certified angus tag looks like? Everyone up here does, and you have a higher percentage of Angus cattle in your herds than we do. :roll:
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Kato-- The man (Mr. VanDyck) or the Stockgrowers Assn shouldn't have to be running around doing any of that...USDA should have copies of all that and should be making that available for inspection to whoever wishes to see them- along with all their investigation reports...Especially to the victim that had his money withheld for 2 months and was insinuated by Swift/USDA to be a smuggler...

Our government is supposed to be responsive and open to us--not cloaking itself in secrecy and back door dealings.....There continued silence and foot dragging stinks.....
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Spell the mans name properly or someone on the board will call you a schmuck for the phonetic spelling and you will have to take a midol :wink:
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
I ve recently talked to a couple of the buyers up here and they say this is just a big publicity stunt to try and hold off rule#2.
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Publicity stunt ,or reality.........it would have been a nonissue if all imports wore a brand.................good luck
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
I ve recently talked to a couple of the buyers up here and they say this is just a big publicity stunt to try and hold off rule#2.
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If it was a stunt, the the "official" story by the USDA does far more damage to passing the rule. The "stunt" only shows a porous border. The "official" story shows a packer that can't keep track of Canadian cattle and it shows the USDA needs 47 days to track cattle that have been in country for less than 24 hours! Who needs to pull a stunt?
 
Sandhusker better give it a rest :wink: these cattle WERE NOT AND I REPEAT WERE NOT ILLEGILLY IN THE USA. THEY HAVE ALL THE PROPER DOCUMENTS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL ONE OF THE TWO PORT AUTHORITIES LEADING INTO THE USA FROM MANITOBA. WHY DONT ONE OF YOU R-CALFERS CALL?
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Sandhusker better give it a rest :wink: these cattle WERE NOT AND I REPEAT WERE NOT ILLEGILLY IN THE USA. THEY HAVE ALL THE PROPER DOCUMENTS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL ONE OF THE TWO PORT AUTHORITIES LEADING INTO THE USA FROM MANITOBA. WHY DONT ONE OF YOU R-CALFERS CALL?
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They explain why Swift said they had all their cattle accounted for, but then changed their story 47 days later? Do you think they took the whole deal lightly and were just BSing Van Dykes? Why do Van Dykes recognize some of those Canadian tags that were on their cattle if they came legally? How do you know that Swift and the USDA didn't just present tag numbers to the Canadians that they knew were legit? They won't show the Van Dykes the paperwork. They show the SD vet tags and paperwork, but he never saw those tags before the USDA handed them to him! How does he know those are the same ones that came from the cattle in question?

What you're doing is taking Swift and the USDA at their word - when Swift changed their story and the USDA spent 47 days doing what should of taken an hour! Then you're telling Van Dykes that they can't recognize a tag on an animal that they fed everyday for months? And then, you're saying the SD Vet and the border people signed off on the tags, but they have no way of knowing what cattle those tags came from!
 
Sandhusker said:
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Sandhusker better give it a rest :wink: these cattle WERE NOT AND I REPEAT WERE NOT ILLEGILLY IN THE USA. THEY HAVE ALL THE PROPER DOCUMENTS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL ONE OF THE TWO PORT AUTHORITIES LEADING INTO THE USA FROM MANITOBA. WHY DONT ONE OF YOU R-CALFERS CALL?
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They explain why Swift said they had all their cattle accounted for, but then changed their story 47 days later? Do you think they took the whole deal lightly and were just BSing Van Dykes? Why do Van Dykes recognize some of those Canadian tags that were on their cattle if they came legally? How do you know that Swift and the USDA didn't just present tag numbers to the Canadians that they knew were legit? They won't show the Van Dykes the paperwork. They show the SD vet tags and paperwork, but he never saw those tags before the USDA handed them to him! How does he know those are the same ones that came from the cattle in question?

What you're doing is taking Swift and the USDA at their word - when Swift changed their story and the USDA spent 47 days doing what should of taken an hour! Then you're telling Van Dykes that they can't recognize a tag on an animal that they fed everyday for months? And then, you're saying the SD Vet and the border people signed off on the tags, but they have no way of knowing what cattle those tags came from![/quote


Just a quick question is an ''eye witness'' in a trial always the best for winning a case? Does the witness have the same credability if they have seen evidense after the fact?
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Sandhusker better give it a rest :wink: these cattle WERE NOT AND I REPEAT WERE NOT ILLEGILLY IN THE USA. THEY HAVE ALL THE PROPER DOCUMENTS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL ONE OF THE TWO PORT AUTHORITIES LEADING INTO THE USA FROM MANITOBA. WHY DONT ONE OF YOU R-CALFERS CALL?
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If it really was a mixup, since Swift could not account for them they were in the U.S. illegally. It might have been their mistake, but not keeping track of them made it illegal.

The problem was that a producer had to pay for their mistake and Swift paid nothing. Swift took delivery of cattle, skinned them and took them to the dump (so they say). Then they expected not to pay for them.

Swift was able to put a hardship on a producer and pay no price at all for their (in this case) own mistake.

Get used to it. If you accept these terms, they will continue to occur.
 
My point is that nomatter the direction of travel ,VanDykes cattle had a partial traceback and Swift proved it until they were forced to change their story because of coruption and data change. Those calves were of a load that did come from Canada, back in the winter of 05/06. Probably Some feedlot in Nebraska had them stolen from them or sold them and they got into the auction barn system when VanDykes purchased them in Feb.06 .Who knows ,maybe a trucker sold them for a debt on the side.If all cattle loads crossing the border were checked back to mid 2005 the total inventory moved could be checked.
 
PORKER said:
My point is that nomatter the direction of travel ,VanDykes cattle had a partial traceback and Swift proved it until they were forced to change their story because of coruption and data change. Those calves were of a load that did come from Canada, back in the winter of 05/06. Probably Some feedlot in Nebraska had them stolen or sold them and they got into the auction barn system when VanDykes purchased them in Feb.06 .Who knows ,maybe a trucker sold them for a debt on the side.If all cattle loads crossing the border were checked back to mid 2005 the total inventory moved could be checked.
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BRING SOME PROOF OR SHUT-UP! SD State Vet Dr. Holland said the paper trail is irrefutable! Your continual slander of the Canadian export protocols and our sucessful ID system is wearing pretty thin!
 
Porker:
My point is that nomatter the direction.............
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No Porker, you don't have a point. This pathetic arguement you, ocm, Sadhusker, Oddtimer try to keep afloat is ridiculous.

Probably Some feedlot in Nebraska had them stolen........
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Probably????? What kind of deperate BS is that? Should we start making things up about how crooked Scoringwhateveritis to pass the time as well?
 
More of the Canadian Attitude--If we don't look-- we won't see....

Just forget about it and poo-poo it away because it may be something bad that we don't want to see or know about :roll: :lol:
 
Oldtimer said:
More of the Canadian Attitude--If we don't look-- we won't see....

Just forget about it and poo-poo it away because it may be something bad that we don't want to see or know about :roll: :lol:
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Tell us a law story OT. Tell us the one about you cross your t's and . your i's before you release a statement to the public :wink: Or tell us the one how you just make a few wild guesses and throw them out and see if they stick :roll:
 

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