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Checkoff, doctors, beef, & whatever!
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MRJ.....you wanted some constructive suggestions.........although I have lots of them.......here is the main one.....
The beef board and checkoff dollars have to be spent more aggressively.........
What do I mean by aggressively? I mean that the promotion for beef has to be more forceful in support of what a terrific product beef is........believe it or not....beef is the single best product in the entire world......it has more positive life and vitality sustaining properties than any other food....and the beef industry's promotion should shout about it.......rather than the limp-wristed......"we support the USDA food pyramid (which is quite erronous when looked at from a human metabolic standpoint)......"we suggest 3 oz servings" Hell......face the facts and let consumers know....
YOU CAN NEVER EAT TOO MUCH BEEF! PERIOD!!! Think about it......for every bite of beef you eat.....you displace a food of lessor nutritional content and value.
My real suggestion.......is this.......in order to counter the adverse publicity of many groups.......you have to be a stronger supporter of the value of beef on human health..........you can't just meekly proclaim that you agree with whatever the government or self interest, "wave in the wind" quasi scientific groups such as the AMA, ACS, or ADA say.
Remember that consumers are not stupid.......they know who funds checkoff advertising (the beef industry)........so what do you think they think when they see some of the real watered down.......try to please all the "initial groups" type statements, press releases and advertising?
Here is what many consumers think when they read this stuff........
"It doesn't sound like the beef industry is too convinced they have a great product.............so therefore.....if the people who stand to profit from the sale of this product.....seem hesitant about the total nutritional value.......then this product must really be somewhat detrimental to my health and vitality.....like so many are proclaiming."
We, in the beef industry, are very lucky that Dr. Atkins had the guts to take a stand.....rather than bow down to the misguided "health authorities".........and you know what?? He was RIGHT! As RobertMac understands.........of course he was right.......he had nature and it's processes on his side.
SUGGESTION.....
Make every message count........and make every message more aggressive..........if you don't believe (understand) the true nutritional value of beef on human health and vitality..........who will?????
NOTE TO fedup2......
Great to hear that you are educating yourself and working to learn the real story about cardiovascular health and diet......again....there is NO BETTER product for heart (and total) health than beef.
The beef board and checkoff dollars have to be spent more aggressively.........
What do I mean by aggressively? I mean that the promotion for beef has to be more forceful in support of what a terrific product beef is........believe it or not....beef is the single best product in the entire world......it has more positive life and vitality sustaining properties than any other food....and the beef industry's promotion should shout about it.......rather than the limp-wristed......"we support the USDA food pyramid (which is quite erronous when looked at from a human metabolic standpoint)......"we suggest 3 oz servings" Hell......face the facts and let consumers know....
YOU CAN NEVER EAT TOO MUCH BEEF! PERIOD!!! Think about it......for every bite of beef you eat.....you displace a food of lessor nutritional content and value.
My real suggestion.......is this.......in order to counter the adverse publicity of many groups.......you have to be a stronger supporter of the value of beef on human health..........you can't just meekly proclaim that you agree with whatever the government or self interest, "wave in the wind" quasi scientific groups such as the AMA, ACS, or ADA say.
Remember that consumers are not stupid.......they know who funds checkoff advertising (the beef industry)........so what do you think they think when they see some of the real watered down.......try to please all the "initial groups" type statements, press releases and advertising?
Here is what many consumers think when they read this stuff........
"It doesn't sound like the beef industry is too convinced they have a great product.............so therefore.....if the people who stand to profit from the sale of this product.....seem hesitant about the total nutritional value.......then this product must really be somewhat detrimental to my health and vitality.....like so many are proclaiming."
We, in the beef industry, are very lucky that Dr. Atkins had the guts to take a stand.....rather than bow down to the misguided "health authorities".........and you know what?? He was RIGHT! As RobertMac understands.........of course he was right.......he had nature and it's processes on his side.
SUGGESTION.....
Make every message count........and make every message more aggressive..........if you don't believe (understand) the true nutritional value of beef on human health and vitality..........who will?????
NOTE TO fedup2......
Great to hear that you are educating yourself and working to learn the real story about cardiovascular health and diet......again....there is NO BETTER product for heart (and total) health than beef.
Soapweed
Well-known member
You have some great suggestions, Graybull. Hope the right people see your ideas and act accordingly.
Beef and Water. That's all that is necessary for good healthy nutrition. :wink:
Beef and Water. That's all that is necessary for good healthy nutrition. :wink:
One thing that I'm running into is that whatever opinion you have on any topic, you can find thousands of sites to agree with you. You can also find as many to disagree. I am trying to be very selective on the articles I am reading. I search the sites, follow their links, whatever, to find whom they are tied to. I have been avoiding sites connected to any cattle groups, vegetarians, animal rights, etc groups. It is hard to find information that would be considered unbiased.
I had a university site book marked with a very positive review of beef in your diet. I had the contents posted right where this sentence is. I then found the study was paid for by the national cattleman's association. lol
I will keep searching as time permits. My goal is to find one good (idea) contribution to the check off (and the truth about my diet! lol! either way, I will never quit eating beef!)
I would like to thank those who posted the kind and supportive words. I used to fight tooth and nail on these forums like many others here do. One day I looked at my posts and realized I contributed nothing! With my biased views, I also learned nothing! I was to busy defending my previous statements to see another point of view! I'm no saint and am not trying to be one. I realized one day that I had a hell of a lot more questions than I had answers! (I wonder why it took so long!) LOL!
I had a university site book marked with a very positive review of beef in your diet. I had the contents posted right where this sentence is. I then found the study was paid for by the national cattleman's association. lol
I will keep searching as time permits. My goal is to find one good (idea) contribution to the check off (and the truth about my diet! lol! either way, I will never quit eating beef!)
I would like to thank those who posted the kind and supportive words. I used to fight tooth and nail on these forums like many others here do. One day I looked at my posts and realized I contributed nothing! With my biased views, I also learned nothing! I was to busy defending my previous statements to see another point of view! I'm no saint and am not trying to be one. I realized one day that I had a hell of a lot more questions than I had answers! (I wonder why it took so long!) LOL!
A
Anonymous
Guest
Kindergarten: "Your reasoning on this issue can not be backed up because it is just WRONG!!!"
PROVE IT!
Explain how the damages in Pickett vs. ibp could be more than IBP's total profits?
How do you manipulate prices to a point of hurting producers more than you profit?
You and Sandman went to the same debate school. You back none of your positions with supporting facts and expect everyone else to.
You made the allegation that my reasoning is wrong. Back your allegation and answer the questions or divert again and prove that you can't.
~SH~
RobertMac
Well-known member
Graybull, thanks for the encouraging post. I was about ready to bandage my bloody head and move on.
Thanks Soapweed for showing there are producers reading this with interest.
Fedup2, you are right to sort what you read...there is propaganda on all sides of this issue. Two guidelines...does it agree with Nature? and does it have a bibliography? Here is a link to a site I think meets these criteria.
http://www.westonaprice.org/funding.html
I linked to the funding page for obvious reasons, but one thing to notice is the increase in their funding...should tell us how the consumer mentality is changing!
Here are some excerpts from Sally Fallon & Dr. Mary Enig's book "Nourishing Traditions" about fats...
Beef and Mutton Tallows are 50-55 percent saturated, about 40 percent monosaturated and contain small amounts of the polyunsaturates, usually less than 3 percent. Suet, which is the fat from the cavity of the animal, is 70-80 percent saturated. Suet and tallow are very stable fats and can be used for frying. Traditional cultures valued these fats for their health benefits. They are a good source of antimicrobial palmitoleic acid.
Safflower, Corn, Sunflower, Soybean, and Cottenseed Oils all contain over 50 percent omega-6 and, except for soybean oil, only minimal amounts of omega-3. Safflower oil contains almost 80 percent omega-6. Research continues to accumulate on the dangers of excess omega-6 oils in the diet, whether rancid or not. Use of these oils should be strictly limited. They should never be consumed after they have been heated, as in cooking, frying or baking. High oleic safflower and sunflower oils, produced from hybrid plants, have a composition similar to olive oil, namely, high amounts of oleic acid and only small amounts of polyunsaturated fatty acids and thus are more stable than traditional varieties. However, it is difficult to find truly cold-pressed versions of these oils.
Thanks Soapweed for showing there are producers reading this with interest.
Fedup2, you are right to sort what you read...there is propaganda on all sides of this issue. Two guidelines...does it agree with Nature? and does it have a bibliography? Here is a link to a site I think meets these criteria.
http://www.westonaprice.org/funding.html
I linked to the funding page for obvious reasons, but one thing to notice is the increase in their funding...should tell us how the consumer mentality is changing!
Here are some excerpts from Sally Fallon & Dr. Mary Enig's book "Nourishing Traditions" about fats...
Beef and Mutton Tallows are 50-55 percent saturated, about 40 percent monosaturated and contain small amounts of the polyunsaturates, usually less than 3 percent. Suet, which is the fat from the cavity of the animal, is 70-80 percent saturated. Suet and tallow are very stable fats and can be used for frying. Traditional cultures valued these fats for their health benefits. They are a good source of antimicrobial palmitoleic acid.
Safflower, Corn, Sunflower, Soybean, and Cottenseed Oils all contain over 50 percent omega-6 and, except for soybean oil, only minimal amounts of omega-3. Safflower oil contains almost 80 percent omega-6. Research continues to accumulate on the dangers of excess omega-6 oils in the diet, whether rancid or not. Use of these oils should be strictly limited. They should never be consumed after they have been heated, as in cooking, frying or baking. High oleic safflower and sunflower oils, produced from hybrid plants, have a composition similar to olive oil, namely, high amounts of oleic acid and only small amounts of polyunsaturated fatty acids and thus are more stable than traditional varieties. However, it is difficult to find truly cold-pressed versions of these oils.
RobertMac
Well-known member
~SH~ said:Kindergarten: "Your reasoning on this issue can not be backed up because it is just WRONG!!!"
PROVE IT!
Explain how the damages in Pickett vs. ibp could be more than IBP's total profits?
How do you manipulate prices to a point of hurting producers more than you profit?
You and Sandman went to the same debate school. You back none of your positions with supporting facts and expect everyone else to.
You made the allegation that my reasoning is wrong. Back your allegation and answer the questions or divert again and prove that you can't.
~SH~
SH and Econ, why do you two have to corrupt every thread with this? When are you going to realize you are degrading the entire forum?
Show a little class...PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~SH~ said:Kindergarten: "Your reasoning on this issue can not be backed up because it is just WRONG!!!"
PROVE IT!
Explain how the damages in Pickett vs. ibp could be more than IBP's total profits?
How do you manipulate prices to a point of hurting producers more than you profit?
You and Sandman went to the same debate school. You back none of your positions with supporting facts and expect everyone else to.
You made the allegation that my reasoning is wrong. Back your allegation and answer the questions or divert again and prove that you can't.
~SH~
Poll sez you are a liar SH,you see too many of us have kept up with your packer loving ramblings,add the fact you never bring any facts to support you position. And its my humble opinion the only thing that you have proven without a doubt,is that you are deceptive...............good luck PS thank you for the hundred dollar donation to R CALF its probably the only decent thing you have done in your life,and if the truth be known agman had to pay it as you tried your best to welch.
A
Anonymous
Guest
Robert Mac,
Who made you the forum police? If you don't like Kindergarten's diversionary posts or my responses, DON'T READ THEM. Stay on the topic you want to discuss and ignore the rest.
Show a little class PLEASE!
~SH~
Who made you the forum police? If you don't like Kindergarten's diversionary posts or my responses, DON'T READ THEM. Stay on the topic you want to discuss and ignore the rest.
Show a little class PLEASE!
~SH~
A
Anonymous
Guest
Hayseed: "Poll sez you are a liar SH,you see too many of us have kept up with your packer loving ramblings,add the fact you never bring any facts to support you position. And its my humble opinion the only thing that you have proven without a doubt,is that you are deceptive...............good luck PS thank you for the hundred dollar donation to R CALF its probably the only decent thing you have done in your life,and if the truth be known agman had to pay it as you tried your best to welch."
The poll doesn't say a damn thing. The poll is nothing more than another "UNSUPPORTED" opinion.
I never bring any facts to support my position? HAHAHAHA! Listen to you. The babbling idiot from BOARNE, TEXAS BY GAWD who posts other people's thoughts as his own. You don't understand half the issues we discuss here and you're going to tell me about backing my position? Hahaha! You are funny! Your opinion of anything is pretty much worthless considering the fact that you've never had an original thought.
~SH~
~SH~ said:Hayseed: "Poll sez you are a liar SH,you see too many of us have kept up with your packer loving ramblings,add the fact you never bring any facts to support you position. And its my humble opinion the only thing that you have proven without a doubt,is that you are deceptive...............good luck PS thank you for the hundred dollar donation to R CALF its probably the only decent thing you have done in your life,and if the truth be known agman had to pay it as you tried your best to welch."
The poll doesn't say a damn thing. The poll is nothing more than another "UNSUPPORTED" opinion.
I never bring any facts to support my position? HAHAHAHA! Listen to you. The babbling idiot from BOARNE, TEXAS BY GAWD who posts other people's thoughts as his own. You don't understand half the issues we discuss here and you're going to tell me about backing my position? Hahaha! You are funny! Your opinion of anything is pretty much worthless considering the fact that you've never had an original thought.
~SH~
How's this for an original thought? Agman paid the hundred dollars when your packer loving mouth overloaded your mocking bird ass,bottom line is you were insturmental in creating $100 worth of fairness for the cattle man,for that Thanks & good luck
A
Anonymous
Guest
Good job Hayseed!
At least I can tell you wrote that. It has your depth.
~SH~
At least I can tell you wrote that. It has your depth.
~SH~
~SH~ said:Good job Hayseed!
At least I can tell you wrote that. It has your depth.
~SH~
It sure does it's not full of deceptive bull sh*t............good luck
A
Anonymous
Guest
Why would Agman pay my debt you moron?
Of course I paid it.
~SH~
Of course I paid it.
~SH~
~SH~ said:Why would Agman pay my debt you moron?
Of course I paid it.
~SH~
Well since he is your Mentor,I naturally assumed he baled your dumb ass out again...............good luck
~SH~ said:Why would Agman pay my debt you moron?
Of course I paid it.
~SH~
Do you get any money from Agman or any of the packers? I just want to get the question of money laundering out of the way before it becomes an issue. Please don't Delay in answering.
fedup2 said:One thing that I'm running into is that whatever opinion you have on any topic, you can find thousands of sites to agree with you. You can also find as many to disagree. I am trying to be very selective on the articles I am reading. I search the sites, follow their links, whatever, to find whom they are tied to. I have been avoiding sites connected to any cattle groups, vegetarians, animal rights, etc groups. It is hard to find information that would be considered unbiased.
I had a university site book marked with a very positive review of beef in your diet. I had the contents posted right where this sentence is. I then found the study was paid for by the national cattleman's association. lol
I will keep searching as time permits. My goal is to find one good (idea) contribution to the check off (and the truth about my diet! lol! either way, I will never quit eating beef!)
I would like to thank those who posted the kind and supportive words. I used to fight tooth and nail on these forums like many others here do. One day I looked at my posts and realized I contributed nothing! With my biased views, I also learned nothing! I was to busy defending my previous statements to see another point of view! I'm no saint and am not trying to be one. I realized one day that I had a hell of a lot more questions than I had answers! (I wonder why it took so long!) LOL!
I'm curious as to why you believe Beef Checkoff funded research would be somehow tainted? If it is because of NCBA, don't forget that the Federation division is NOT the Dues/Policy division, but IS the state beef councils, representing many organizations, including but not limited to: Farm Bureau, Farmers Union, the Beef Breeds associations, CattleWomens groups, LMA, R-CALF members, Beef Improvement Federation, and MORE! If we do not pay for research, who is going to? Who should? There may be many groups, or government that appropriately should want to do research to independently determine the facts of beef nutrition, etc., but who was doing so? I think too many who wanted to find reasons to limit and eliminate beef from the diet were, for too long, the few that were funding research.
MRJ
Econ101 said:~SH~ said:Why would Agman pay my debt you moron?
Of course I paid it.
~SH~
Do you get any money from Agman or any of the packers? I just want to get the question of money laundering out of the way before it becomes an issue.
While we are seeking truth here, your posts show a bias against the current business structure of the beef industry, IMO. So, who is paying you? You indicate business is fascist. Isn't the opposite of Fascism really Socialism or Communism? So, what are you supported by and/or promoting?
MRJ
MRJ said:Econ101 said:~SH~ said:Why would Agman pay my debt you moron?
Of course I paid it.
~SH~
Do you get any money from Agman or any of the packers? I just want to get the question of money laundering out of the way before it becomes an issue.
While we are seeking truth here, your posts show a bias against the current business structure of the beef industry, IMO. So, who is paying you? You indicate business is fascist. Isn't the opposite of Fascism really Socialism or Communism? So, what are you supported by and/or promoting?
MRJ
MRJ, I want more than ever for Tyson to be my hero. Corporatism is the undue influence on political decisions by corporations. Mussolini said it is really fascism. I hope we have neither. I am not against big business, unless they use market power to gain advantage at the expense of the economy and/or if they use their money to influence political decisions that benefit them at the expense of all others.
My conscience is paying me. No one else.
