Credibility 101

[Texan]

This is the article that was posted a few days ago under the title, "Rotten Meat From China Finds Home in Mexico":

… customs has ordered meat coming from China condemned because of the outbreak of foot and mouth disease (FMD) and bird flu in the country…



P20 million worth of 'hot' meat seized in Mexico



By Marna H. Dagumboy

Sun Star Network Online

November 29, 2006

Philippines press



CAMP OLIVAS -- Anti-smuggling agents on Tuesday confiscated some P20 million worth of smuggled and rotten meat from a cold storage facility in the Pampanga town of Mexico.



The meat, discovered by Task Force Anti-Smuggling operatives at the Kayabe Ice Plant and Cold Storage, had been reported "missing" two months ago by the Bureau of Customs.



Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) Chief Jesus Bersoza said the seizure of the 60,000 kilos of rotten meat was the result of an investigation conducted by the task force with the assistance of the Pampanga provincial police.



The task force is composed of customs and CIDG agents.



The group was tasked to investigate the loss of approximately two container vans of meat from China that came into the country on August 27. The consignee was named as the Asia Marketing Corporation (AMC).



He said customs has ordered meat coming from China condemned because of the outbreak of foot and mouth disease (FMD) and bird flu in the country.



Customs Commissioner Napoleon Morales said he has directed his men to validate the importation documents of the entrepreneur who rented the cold storage space at Kayabe and determine if these are legal.



Morales said anybody could import so long as the documents for importation are complete and legal.



"You can run, but you can't hide," he warned the people trying to smuggle rotten meat into the country.



He also assured that the people involved in the incident will be dealt with accordingly.



Pampanga Provincial Police Director Leonardo Espina said the police will do their best to identify those behind the meat smuggling.



The owner of Kayabe ice plant, Allan David, said they are not required by law to determine if the meat was smuggled or not before allowing an individual or group to use their facility.



On November 10, four container vans of smuggled meat from China were also seized by personnel of the Guagua police and agriculture department. The shipment was earlier declared as frozen mackerel but contained frozen chicken and pork from China. (Sun.Star Pampanga/Sunnex)





sunstar.com.ph

I think we can all agree that the title, "Rotten Meat From China Finds Home in Mexico", is pretty inflammatory. I don't know about the rest of you, but it sure makes me think twice about having trade with Mexico.

Yes, it's inflammatory, but it's also very misleading. It becomes even more misleading with the opening line from that post:

If we really do have an open border with Mexico, is this the type of trade we can expect?

This isn't something that happened just across our southern border. This isn't something that happened in the country of Mexico. This article comes from a newspaper in the Philippines. The Mexico referenced in the article is the town of Mexico, in the province of Pampanga, in the Philippines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico,_Pampanga

This has nothing to do with our trade with Mexico. Granted, they probably have some food safety issues down there, too. But this was an obvious attempt to mislead. It almost had to be. What other explanation could there be? Ignorance? Surely not. Practical joke? Surely not. Maybe we can hear some kind of excuse, though. Almost anything would be better than intentional deception.

It seems that certain people on here have no limit as to just how low they will go to inflame others with their anti-trade, anti-business, anti-meat industry, anti-government views. 'Anything goes' as long as it fits their agenda seems to be the way some people operate.

I find it pretty despicable. It will be interesting to see how the usual cast of cheerleaders handles this. I would hope that they would condemn this behavior instead of laughing it off, changing the subject, or in other ways condoning it. I guess time will tell.

There's a lot of mention in Bull Session about USDA and NCBA having credibility issues. Unfortunately, there is some truth to that. There's no denying that. But it seems that there are also some individuals who have credibility issues - individuals who are always quick to blame others. And if anyone is really concerned about credibility, they should speak out against crap like this.

Garbage like this becomes a credibility issue that should concern all of us. There's just no excuse for it.

 

[Econ101]

The credibility issues come with the trade with China. You may have thought that it was Mexico, North America but I did not. The article clearly states:

"Philippines press "


so there was no intentional hiding of the origin other than the one you made up in your own mind.

I posted another article some time ago about a shipment of poultry from China that did reach the USA, and there has been some talk about our government inspecting in the country of origin so we don't have this kind of problem.

Mike posted an article on fish from China that were potentially polluted.

I didn't even mention the recalls of cheap jewelry that had lead in it from my kid's favorite store, Claire's. It was from China.

There was also an article about a ship full of rotten meat out on the high seas looking for a home.

It seems China will export anything it can, regardless of the safety of those products for food or disease control measures from other countries.

The title came from the article, Texan, and the shipment came from China.

When we don't inspect every container that comes into the country, we have potential terrorist items on board. We do not have secure borders at all despite all the spending on homeland security.

We have a huge corridor issue coming up in Texas and the U.S. that will allow Chinese containers to more easily escape even our current detection methods on our U.S. controlled ports of entry through Mexico, North America. Have you not been paying attention?

I have an aunt from Luzon, Philippines and two cousins born there. One is currently serving on a ship that has the Philippines as a port of call.

You can see everything you want to see, Texan. The facts are still there for you to find.

It's that real world thing we have been talking about.

Can you see it, or just the one you want to see?

 

[Bill]

Yep their spinning it already Texan. Once again Econ has shown a total lack of credibility. I guess when one sits on here all day long, day after day writing about the same drivel over and over, sooner or later one starts believing their own lies.

I agree that it does seem that certain people on here have no limits as to how low they will go with their anti-trade, anti-business, anti-meat industry, anti-government views.

What Econ and his fellow C.A.V.E. people (Citizens Against Virtually Everything) have accomplished over the past year is turn many actual producers off the Bull Session.

 

[Econ101]

Bill, do you think all shipments from China meet our import requirements?---Not Canada's but the U.S. ?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

From the original post

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:31 am Post subject:

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On November 10, four container vans of smuggled meat from China were also seized by personnel of the Guagua police and agriculture department. The shipment was earlier declared as frozen mackerel but contained frozen chicken and pork from China. (Sun.Star Pampanga/Sunnex)


MRJ, do you know what FMD is? Do you know what bird flu is? This meat shouldn't have made it off the boat, let alone come on shore where it could be stolen.

You would make a great USDA inspector first line of defense, MRJ.

These containers should never have left China to come over.

To give you a hint, these diseases are hard to contain once they are started.



Gee Econ you never corrected MRJ that this wasn't coming to the US. Or that it wasn't sitting just south of Brownsville.

I think that most cattlemen know what FMD is. In fact most are aware of more things that could destroy their livelihood then you think.

Looks like R-CALF could hire you to teach deception classes in the evening.

 

[Econ101]

From the original post

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:31 am Post subject:

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Quote:

On November 10, four container vans of smuggled meat from China were also seized by personnel of the Guagua police and agriculture department. The shipment was earlier declared as frozen mackerel but contained frozen chicken and pork from China. (Sun.Star Pampanga/Sunnex)


MRJ, do you know what FMD is? Do you know what bird flu is? This meat shouldn't have made it off the boat, let alone come on shore where it could be stolen.

You would make a great USDA inspector first line of defense, MRJ.

These containers should never have left China to come over.

To give you a hint, these diseases are hard to contain once they are started.



Gee Econ you never corrected MRJ that this wasn't coming to the US. Or that it wasn't sitting just south of Brownsville.

I think that most cattlemen know what FMD is. In fact most are aware of more things that could destroy their livelihood then you think.

Looks like R-CALF could hire you to teach deception classes in the evening.

BMR, do you think all of the shipments from China are legitimate and meet our import standards?

 

[mrj]

From the original post

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:31 am Post subject:

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Quote:

On November 10, four container vans of smuggled meat from China were also seized by personnel of the Guagua police and agriculture department. The shipment was earlier declared as frozen mackerel but contained frozen chicken and pork from China. (Sun.Star Pampanga/Sunnex)


MRJ, do you know what FMD is? Do you know what bird flu is? This meat shouldn't have made it off the boat, let alone come on shore where it could be stolen.

You would make a great USDA inspector first line of defense, MRJ.

These containers should never have left China to come over.

To give you a hint, these diseases are hard to contain once they are started.



Gee Econ you never corrected MRJ that this wasn't coming to the US. Or that it wasn't sitting just south of Brownsville.

I think that most cattlemen know what FMD is. In fact most are aware of more things that could destroy their livelihood then you think.
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Looks like R-CALF could hire you to teach deception classes in the evening.

BMR, doesn't it look as though they already have done that????

Just look at the amount of time Econ spends on this site, let alone the amount of time it must take to dream up his/her brand of "facts".

MRJ

 

[Econ101]

From the original post

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:31 am Post subject:

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Quote:

On November 10, four container vans of smuggled meat from China were also seized by personnel of the Guagua police and agriculture department. The shipment was earlier declared as frozen mackerel but contained frozen chicken and pork from China. (Sun.Star Pampanga/Sunnex)


MRJ, do you know what FMD is? Do you know what bird flu is? This meat shouldn't have made it off the boat, let alone come on shore where it could be stolen.

You would make a great USDA inspector first line of defense, MRJ.

These containers should never have left China to come over.

To give you a hint, these diseases are hard to contain once they are started.



Gee Econ you never corrected MRJ that this wasn't coming to the US. Or that it wasn't sitting just south of Brownsville.

I think that most cattlemen know what FMD is. In fact most are aware of more things that could destroy their livelihood then you think.
***********************************************************
Looks like R-CALF could hire you to teach deception classes in the evening.

BMR, doesn't it look as though they already have done that????

Just look at the amount of time Econ spends on this site, let alone the amount of time it must take to dream up his/her brand of "facts".

MRJ

MRJ, it was you who had the reading problem, not I. Pawn off your mistakes on someone else with your little group, if you will.

Would that you would spend as much time actually thinking as I do on this site, you might come up with something useful and you might teach yourself how to read.

 

[Texan]

You can see everything you want to see, Texan. The facts are still there for you to find.

It's that real world thing we have been talking about.

Can you see it, or just the one you want to see?

Yeah, I think I see it...

Econ101

 

[Anonymous]

Texan,

The R-CULTers showed their true colors with their "BSE FEAR MONGERING" to stop Canadian imports due to their ignorance of Canadian imports on our markets and due to their ignorance of global markets in general.

Can you imagine what would have happened to the credibility of our industry if USDA and NCBA had not headed off R-CULT's lies to the media regarding BSE??? I can only imagine. Thank God R-CULT has no credibility with anyone other than themselves. That's why they can't win a court case to save their lives.

After taking a position in both the Washington Post and in actual court documents stating that having bse in your native herd means your beef is "contaminated" and "high risk", when asked about bse in the US Leo McDonnell says, "our beef is the safest in the world due to the firewalls we have in place".

FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP! Like a fish in a boat!

How can anyone be any more deceptive than to lie about bse to stop Canadian imports than change their story regarding bse in the US?

I recently talked to a young man who visited numerous people in Washington D.C. His exact words, "R-CALF has no credibility in Washington D.C.

You can't keep lying the way they do and maintain any credibility with anyone other then others who believe the same bullsh*t.


~SH~

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Kinda looks like Econ's pals cut and ran on this one.

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "I recently talked to a young man who visited numerous people in Washington D.C. His exact words, "R-CALF has no credibility in Washington D.C. "

Was he there for the Special Olympics? Was he the same one who told you and Agman that Japan never asked for testing? After I told my Senator that I supported R-CALF, he said, "They sure are gaining a following in Washington."

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

SH, "I recently talked to a young man who visited numerous people in Washington D.C. His exact words, "R-CALF has no credibility in Washington D.C. "

Was he there for the Special Olympics? Was he the same one who told you and Agman that Japan never asked for testing? After I told my Senator that I supported R-CALF, he said, "They sure are gaining a following in Washington."

Sandhusker, Circus parades have a following as well.

The street sweepers cleaning up elephant dung.

 

[ocm]

I recently talked to a young man who visited numerous people in Washington D.C. His exact words, "R-CALF has no credibility in Washington D.C.

~SH~

And I recently visited with someone who visited with some high Ag Department officials. It is interesting that some of the officials went away from the meeting repeating with approval some of the phrases spoken to them by the R-CALF representatives.

The issue is not solely credibility, but power. Though the two are not always separate. NCBA was unable to deliver on animal ID. USDA has seen the handwriting on the wall. NCBA's credibility on animal ID is zilch. The USDA is now (almost, but not quite) taking the R-CALF line.

The phrase (from Bruce Knight and Ron DeHaven) is "States Rights."
R-CALF brought it to their attention, and now they believe R-CALF.

 

[Anonymous]

The issue is not solely credibility, but power. Though the two are not always separate. NCBA was unable to deliver on animal ID. USDA has seen the handwriting on the wall. NCBA's credibility on animal ID is zilch. The USDA is now (almost, but not quite) taking the R-CALF line.

The phrase (from Bruce Knight and Ron DeHaven) is "States Rights."
R-CALF brought it to their attention, and now they believe R-CALF.

Comical how the group that SH screams the loudest about being a bunch of Liberals- has to teach the NCBA and USDA about "states rights"...Like has been shown many times on here and the Political Bull- the USDA and this whole Administration and Congress has sold out to the neo-con theory and Big Business... I hope some of the new bluedog conservatives can wake a few in D.C. up on that......

 

[Red Robin]

I hope some of the new bluedog conservatives can wake a few in D.C. up on that......

:lol2: Man oldtimer you almost got me thinking you were on to something till you spred this one out for everyone to see. Calling Pelosi and her bunch "bluedog conservatives" , on a thread about credibility, :lol2:............that's a goodun.:lol2:

 

[Econ101]

I hope some of the new bluedog conservatives can wake a few in D.C. up on that......

:lol2: Man oldtimer you almost got me thinking you were on to something till you spred this one out for everyone to see. Calling Pelosi and her bunch "bluedog conservatives" , on a thread about credibility, :lol2:............that's a goodun.:lol2:

RR, as I said before, the main winners of the last election were blue dogs. They filled the void of conservatism that the republicans vacated.

Read your own message on the bottom of your posts:

to quote Dr. Ken Hutcherson, 'When Republicans act like Democrats they lose, and when Democrats act like Republicans, they win.' And therein lies the lesson of '06.

Pelosi may be the "devil" you chose to target, but the democratic party has changed during this election, whether you want to admit it or not. The dems. have more conservative members than they have had in the past. It remains to be seen whether they will press their strength in the party or have to roll over like the incoming class of freshman republicans had to do.

 

[Red Robin]

I hope some of the new bluedog conservatives can wake a few in D.C. up on that......

:lol2: Man oldtimer you almost got me thinking you were on to something till you spred this one out for everyone to see. Calling Pelosi and her bunch "bluedog conservatives" , on a thread about credibility, :lol2:............that's a goodun.:lol2:

RR, as I said before, the main winners of the last election were blue dogs. They filled the void of conservatism that the republicans vacated.

Read your own message on the bottom of your posts:

to quote Dr. Ken Hutcherson, 'When Republicans act like Democrats they lose, and when Democrats act like Republicans, they win.' And therein lies the lesson of '06.

Pelosi may be the "devil" you chose to target, but the democratic party has changed during this election, whether you want to admit it or not. The dems. have more conservative members than they have had in the past. It remains to be seen whether they will press their strength in the party or have to roll over like the incoming class of freshman republicans had to do.

I have no problem with you calling them dogs, it's the word conservative I'm concerned about. Your so called conservative dems that just got elected, don't wield any power as of yet and will just be yes boys to pelosi, wrangle, boxer,franks, etc. Not conservative.

 

[Econ101]

:lol2: Man oldtimer you almost got me thinking you were on to something till you spred this one out for everyone to see. Calling Pelosi and her bunch "bluedog conservatives" , on a thread about credibility, :lol2:............that's a goodun.:lol2:

RR, as I said before, the main winners of the last election were blue dogs. They filled the void of conservatism that the republicans vacated.

Read your own message on the bottom of your posts:

to quote Dr. Ken Hutcherson, 'When Republicans act like Democrats they lose, and when Democrats act like Republicans, they win.' And therein lies the lesson of '06.

Pelosi may be the "devil" you chose to target, but the democratic party has changed during this election, whether you want to admit it or not. The dems. have more conservative members than they have had in the past. It remains to be seen whether they will press their strength in the party or have to roll over like the incoming class of freshman republicans had to do.

I have no problem with you calling them dogs, it's the word conservative I'm concerned about. Your so called conservative dems that just got elected, don't wield any power as of yet and will just be yes boys to pelosi, wrangle, boxer,franks, etc. Not conservative.

I will post my message from the political forum:

If you neocons want to demonize over half of the population in the U.S. (dems) then you make the same critical mistake Bush made in Iraq. The next critical mistake was his hubris, something some of you have a problem with.

 

[Anonymous]

:lol2: Man oldtimer you almost got me thinking you were on to something till you spred this one out for everyone to see. Calling Pelosi and her bunch "bluedog conservatives" , on a thread about credibility, :lol2:............that's a goodun.:lol2:

RR, as I said before, the main winners of the last election were blue dogs. They filled the void of conservatism that the republicans vacated.

Read your own message on the bottom of your posts:

to quote Dr. Ken Hutcherson, 'When Republicans act like Democrats they lose, and when Democrats act like Republicans, they win.' And therein lies the lesson of '06.

Pelosi may be the "devil" you chose to target, but the democratic party has changed during this election, whether you want to admit it or not. The dems. have more conservative members than they have had in the past. It remains to be seen whether they will press their strength in the party or have to roll over like the incoming class of freshman republicans had to do.

I have no problem with you calling them dogs, it's the word conservative I'm concerned about. Your so called conservative dems that just got elected, don't wield any power as of yet and will just be yes boys to pelosi, wrangle, boxer,franks, etc. Not conservative.

Well- I'm not so sure that some of the Democrats that came in aren't much more "conservative" than a bunch of the Repubs that were in there/ or are in there- that helped sell out NAFTA, CAFTA, AFTA, whatever in long term never ending foreign agreements that tie up our kids and grandkids-- along with refusing to do anything with the immigration or border issue-- while sticking in $3 million dollar pork barrel bills for the richest Indian tribe in the US, so they can use their own money to further extend their gambling interests-- and approving the Communist Chinese to operate on US soil, operating sweatshops that used forced abortions, slave labor, and allowed sending products made there to be labeled "made in the USA" , all in return for Abrahms to give these same "so called conservative legislators" hundreds of thousands of dollars (mine got $150,000+ for forgetting his conservativeness)- along with their leader Delay selling out anything and everything for the almighty buck...

Now Red Robber- tell me how these folks fit in the line of the old definition of "conservative"..........Those folk had their chance and did nothing but sell out to the highest bidder or whatever Legislative Page that smiled at them......