Creekstone Testing Does Not Advance the Cause????

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "How then do you explain their requests for testing?"

The fact that Japan has accepted untested beef from the United States proves that the Japanese government is not set on testing.


~SH~

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

The fact that Japan has accepted untested beef from the United States proves that the Japanese government is not set on testing.

Oddly enough this is same reasoning the CCA used when I asked them about BSE testing. Also, oddly enough, they couldn't explain how we were losing ground to the Australians when marketting into Asian countries, including quality cuts, not just cheap meat. Australia does endorse BSE testing when the customer requests it, or so thats my understanding. So the USDA, the packers, and the CCA can tow the company line all they want, it doesn't change the fact that both the US and Canada are being out-marketted by a country hungry to increase its exports.

Rod

 

[RobertMac]

Then why did Japan import beef from the U.S. without testing?

How much 'non-tested' beef are they importing now????

The Japan beef trade is pure politics...testing would be shine the light of truth. Our trade representatives lack the balls to apply one simple trade rule...the way you treat our products is the way we treat your products. That's fair trade!

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandbag: "How then do you explain their requests for testing?"

The fact that Japan has accepted untested beef from the United States proves that the Japanese government is not set on testing.


~SH~

Answer the question.

 

[Anonymous]

RM: "How much 'non-tested' beef are they importing now????"

Moot point! Japan has already accepted "non tested" beef from the United States. The reason Japan is not accepting our beef now has nothing to do with it not being bse tested. The reason Japan is not accepting our beef now is because we failed to abide by our agreement with them. We sent them bone particles in a shipment of veal. That doesn't have a damn thing to do with bse testing.

RM: "The Japan beef trade is pure politics...testing would be shine the light of truth. Our trade representatives lack the balls to apply one simple trade rule...the way you treat our products is the way we treat your products. That's fair trade!"

BSE testing is a joke when the tests being used would not reveal prions. That's deception and fraud pure and simple. How can you guys advocate consumer fraud?

You bse testing advocates are such damn hypocrites. On one hand you scream foul when packers practice meat color enhancement technology. On the other hand, you want to test beef with a test that wouldn't reveal bse prions even if they were there. WHERE THE HELL IS THE LOGIC?????

BSE testing of cattle less than 24 months of age is not justified, PERIOD!

If Japan doesn't realize this, WHY DID THEY ACCEPT UNTESTED BEEF??

Rod: "Australia does endorse BSE testing when the customer requests it, or so thats my understanding."

Australia has no reason to test Rod, they haven't had BSE. LOL!

The reason Australia is exporting to Japan is due to the fact that Japan has had BSE, the US has had BSE, Canada has had BSE, but Australia hasn't. Again, you didn't know what you were talking about.

Sandbag: "Answer the question."

I have seen no official Japanese government request for testing so your question is irrelevant, AS USUAL!


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Quote:
Sandbag: "Answer the question."


SH, "I have seen no official Japanese government request for testing so your question is irrelevant, AS USUAL! "

And AS USUAL, you have no idea what you're talking about - only your blanket approval of the USDA/AMI and the subsequent laughable arguements to back them. I've highlighted a part to make sure you see it.

Please read it and then aswer the question that I'm asking for the third time now.



The Office of the United States Trade Representative
Home / Document Library / Press Releases / 2004 / April / 04/01/04 | Japan Beef Trade

Veneman-Zoellick Statement on Beef Trade with Japan
04/01/2004


Statement by Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman and U. S. Trade Representative Robert B. Zoellick

April 1, 2004

"The United States is committed to resolving global trade issues based on science. On March 29, the Administration proposed, via a letter to Japanese Agriculture Minister Yoshiyuki Kamei, a U.S./Japan technical consultation on bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) with the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE), the international standard setting body for animal diseases.

"Much has been learned in recent experiences with BSE and scientific consultations are warranted to enable trade in beef and beef products to resume. We have shared with all of our trading partners the results of our extensive investigation into BSE, including our aggressive response to an international panel of experts' recommendations.

"Japanese Ministry of Agriculture authorities have continued to insist that testing of all animals and removal of specific risk materials are conditions for entry of U.S. beef products in the Japanese market. International experts, as noted in the recent report of the international scientific panel that reviewed the U.S. system, agree there is no scientific basis for 100% testing.

"The most appropriate path at this point is for the scientific experts at the OIE to consult and agree upon measures that are based on science. We have assurances that the OIE would commit to an aggressive timetable to review a commonly accepted definition of BSE and related testing methodologies as well as a common definition of specified risk materials.

"We have submitted our system and measures to scrutiny by international experts and see no reason why Japan should be reluctant to do likewise.

"We are disappointed that the Japanese response to our proposal was conveyed through the press instead of engaging in constructive dialogue about the merits of the proposal. We urge the government of Japan to agree to an OIE consultation and to assure that its measures are consistent with its international commitments as a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO)."

 

[Anonymous]

"Japanese Ministry of Agriculture authorities have continued to insist that testing of all animals and removal of specific risk materials are conditions for entry of U.S. beef products in the Japanese market.

That's talk, WHERE'S THE PROOF???

The proof is in the fact that Japan already accepted untested beef from the U.S.

I don't care what USDA's position is, BSE testing of cattle under 24 months of age is consumer fraud.

Piss on your question. It's irrelevant until you provide an official statement from the Japanese government that they will only accepted bse tested beef and change their previous position.

You got nothing here Sandbag but empty talk that supports your bias. To the contrary, I have the fact that Japan has already agreed to accept untested beef.


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

"Japanese Ministry of Agriculture authorities have continued to insist that testing of all animals and removal of specific risk materials are conditions for entry of U.S. beef products in the Japanese market.

That's talk, WHERE'S THE PROOF???

The proof is in the fact that Japan already accepted untested beef from the U.S.

I don't care what USDA's position is, BSE testing of cattle under 24 months of age is consumer fraud.

p*** on your question. It's irrelevant until you provide an official statement from the Japanese government that they will only accepted bse tested beef and change their previous position.

You got nothing here Sandbag but empty talk that supports your bias. To the contrary, I have the fact that Japan has already agreed to accept untested beef.


~SH~

That's talk? A statment from the Secretary of Agriculture of YOUR USDA that says "Japanese Ministry of Agriculture authorities have continued to insist that testing of all animals and removal of specific risk materials are conditions for entry of U.S. beef products in the Japanese market. is empty talk? :shock: I've got nothing? If I've got nothing, then Veneman is either a fool or lying. Your choice. I think YOU'VE got nothing. Your "truth is my only bias" comment is looking pretty shaky right now, isn't it?

Lets try it again, shall we?

Your comment, "SH, "Obviously the Japanese government understands the science behind bse tests that will not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age or they would not have allowed U.S. imports without testing. You're still living in the past. "

My question, "How then do you explain their requests for testing?"

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

The reason Australia is exporting to Japan is due to the fact that Japan has had BSE, the US has had BSE, Canada has had BSE, but Australia hasn't. Again, you didn't know what you were talking about.

And once again, you put your own spin on things: Australia STILL endorses BSE testing when customers ask for it and its part of the reason we're being outmarketted. They're smart enough to realize that if a customer wants it, they shouldn't have to fight to get it, even if the country is a zero risk country. Look at the message SH. NOWHERE in there did I say Australia had BSE.

Rod

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag,

Your question is just as irrelevant now as it was when you first asked it. Japan has already accepted untested beef. You can't turn back the hands of time.


Rod,

Where is your proof that Australia is bse testing beef for Japan? Why would they bse test if they've never had BSE?

Answer the questions Rod or divert because you wouldn't want to reveal your ignorance again.


~SH~

 

[PORKER]

Your question is just as irrelevant now as it was when you first asked it. Japan has already accepted untested beef. You can't turn back the hands of time.

You can turn back anything where a contract etc. has been broken.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Where is your proof that Australia is bse testing beef for Japan? Why would they bse test if they've never had BSE?

Here, you can re-read what I wrote:

Australia STILL endorses BSE testing when customers ask for it and its part of the reason we're being outmarketted.

Pay extra attention to the word ENDORSES. I did not say that Australia WAS BSE testing for Japan, nor do I know if they are. HOWEVER their agricultural office is smart enough to realize that if a customer asks for it, knows what they're asking for, and is willing to pay for it, you give it to them. This comes from a Western Producer article last year, and a couple different news story links from Cattle Today. The Producer article is probably long gone from their website, but I'll try to find the Cattle Today web links.

Just out of curiosity, what is it that you're scared of? Same question for the other people against voluntary testing. I find it interesting that the VERY SAME people who were against restricting sales of fed cattle to sale barns or eliminating cash basis forward contracts on the basis that it restricted their freedoms are now IN FAVOR of restricting other peoples freedoms. INteresting to say the least.

And before the rah rah sis boom bah folks get involved, I regularly talk to two producer concerns who are trying to market into Asian countries: One hasn't made it this far, but the second has been asked if they can provide 100% tested BSE animals. There is at least a NICHE, and I see no reason why people shouldn't allow others to fill it.

With the competition from chicken and pork getting so intense, I'm not completely sure anyone would be against 100% testing. You warn customers that the under 24 (or is it 20 now?) month animals will likely test negative anyway(full disclosure), that the best science that mankind has still has no proof that it spreads from young animals into humans, and you GUARANTEE NO infected older animal ever hits your consumer shelves. I think that would go a long way to restoring consumer confidence, not eroding it. Each positive BSE test, you trot out in front of everyone and say, 'Look we caught it, no-ones gonna eat it tonight'. Then you ask the chicken and pork guys what they have for testing measures on their disease ridden animals and if they have 100% testing protocols in place?

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandbag,

Your question is just as irrelevant now as it was when you first asked it. Japan has already accepted untested beef. You can't turn back the hands of time.


Rod,

Where is your proof that Australia is bse testing beef for Japan? Why would they bse test if they've never had BSE?

Answer the questions Rod or divert because you wouldn't want to reveal your ignorance again.


~SH~

You call my question irrevelant simply because you don't want to answer it. My question illustrates your lack of knowledge. You have been screaming to the high hills that Japan never asked for testing despite piles of evidence to the contrary proof surfaces that you didn't know what they heck you were talking about. Now, let's try again - what is this, the 4th time you've dodge it? : Explain to us why Japan asked for testing.

Perhaps you still don't believe they ever did? "Mr. Facts" still doesn't believe a direct quote from the USDA Secretary of Agriculture? Do I still have "nothing"?

You got proved a fool with the Japanese request for testing, and then you poke Rod in the chest demanding proof from him, calling him ignorant? You're not a fast learner, are you? Either that or you simply love being made a fool.

 

[Anonymous]

Rod,

Why would Australia advocate BSE testing if they have never had BSE? Does that even make sense to you?

I do not support consumer fraud and that's what BSE testing cattle under 24 months of age is. The prions are not detectable at that age with the tests Creekstone plans to use so all you are doing is creating an "ILLUSION" of safety.

USDA is not going to support consumer fraud and I fully support their decision.

Rod: "I find it interesting that the VERY SAME people who were against restricting sales of fed cattle to sale barns or eliminating cash basis forward contracts on the basis that it restricted their freedoms are now IN FAVOR of restricting other peoples freedoms."

Not allowing a company to create an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY" is hardly restricting someone's freedom. Using your argument, we shouldn't have a Food and Drug Administration approving certain drugs for sale since that's restricting someone's freedom to sell them. It would be like a diet pill that doesn't work. Why should the FDA not approve that? It doesn't hurt anything and creates the "ILLUSION" of losing weight. LOL! Same silly argument.

Marketing freedom does not give someone the right to create an illusion of safety that is not supported by science.

Austin: "My question illustrates your lack of knowledge."

Your question illustrates your stupidity. Japan has already accepted untested beef and you have offered no proof that the Japanese government is demanding tested beef now. Why would Japan demand tested beef now when they have already accepted non tested beef before? It's not like the bse prions will suddenly show up in cattle under 24 months of age now just because Austin Sandbag wants to test. LOL!

You're such an idiot!


~SH~

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Why would Australia advocate BSE testing if they have never had BSE? Does that even make sense to you?

Think about it SH.

We have a country with NO BSE. So if they test like mad, chances of finding BSE are pretty NIL. Maybe, MAYBE, they'll find something from an import cow from Britain.

Now, this country wants to market into a country who does advocate (notice I say advocate not REQUIRE) 100% BSE testing. It would be DENSE of the country to NOT advocate testing, whether they actually end up doing it or not.

Its called marketting, and the US and Canada are being out marketed. If you've truly been in the livestock market for as long as you say you have, surely you understand the value of marketting a product.

I do not support consumer fraud and that's what BSE testing cattle under 24 months of age is. The prions are not detectable at that age with the tests Creekstone plans to use so all you are doing is creating an "ILLUSION" of safety.

SH, do you really think the Japanese don't understand that under 24 months, the test wasn't going to reveal anything? Japan has had more cases than the US and Canada COMBINED (and x2 or 3). I suspect they likely have MORE knowledge of BSE testing than either of our countries do. Or at LEAST the same level of knowledge. They know what they're asking for. In that case, its NOT FRAUD.

So your Illusion of Safety arguement has just been blown out of the water. Next?

And I'm going to repost something that I would like you to answer:

With the competition from chicken and pork getting so intense, I'm not completely sure why anyone would be against 100% testing. You warn customers that the under 24 (or is it 20 now?) month animals will likely test negative anyway(full disclosure), that the best science that mankind has still has no proof that it spreads from young animals into humans, and you GUARANTEE NO infected older animal ever hits your consumer shelves. I think that would go a long way to restoring consumer confidence, not eroding it. Each positive BSE test, you trot out in front of everyone and say, 'Look we caught it, no-ones gonna eat it tonight'. Then you ask the chicken and pork guys what they have for testing measures on their disease ridden animals and if they have 100% testing protocols in place?

We have FULL DISCLOSURE, so NO ILLUSIONS OF SAFETY. Whats wrong with this? Especially if every SINGLE O24M animal was now tested.

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "USDA is not going to support consumer fraud and I fully support their decision."

When has USDA mentioned consumer fraud? When has Japan mentioned consumer fraud? When has ANYBODY other than YOU mentioned consumer fraud?

Have you ever thought that maybe you are ALONE on this consumer fraud fantasy because there IS NONE? :roll: