Disgusting

[Steve]

so for a child to have faith, they must be silent..

Types of Prayer Banned

To date, the Supreme Court has never sanctioned any form of prayer spoken aloud in classrooms under the direction of officials in public schools. In a variety of decisions, it has repeatedly held or affirmed lower court rulings that several types of prayer are unconstitutional:

Voluntary
Mandatory
Sectarian, as in the Lord's Prayer
Non-sectarian or non-denominational, as in the state-authored prayer at issue in Engel v. Vitale
Teacher or student-led classroom prayer
Invocations or benedictions

From the start, these decisions have shown no tolerance for attempts to tailor prayers to make them more acceptable to a majority of citizens. In fact, the very first prayer case arose after the State of New York commissioned the writing of an original twenty-two word prayer that it determined would cover a broad spectrum of religious belief; the prayer was approved by Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish leaders who stated their goal was to avoid causing sectarian disputes. Yet the Supreme Court ruled that the prayer's non-denominational nature gave it no constitutional protection.

On Establishment Clause grounds similar to the prayer ban, the Supreme Court has also struck down related activities and practices involving religious worship in schools:

Religious invocations at graduation ceremonies
Prayers read by religious representatives
Student-led prayers at assemblies and sporting events
Posting of the Ten Commandments in schools

well that pretty much covers it...

all that is left is to shut up and sit down...

 

[Texan]

Oh I didn't know for prayer to be considered prayer it had to be aloud.

Nobody said that it did. But, the only way that a kid can pray in school is to be sure that he keeps it quiet. Is that religious freedom? What if he wants to pray out loud? What if she wants to have a little prayer group? What if a group of kids wants to say Grace before their meal?

Of course, we wouldn't want the Muslim kids or the Godless socialists in the public education mafia to be offended by a Christian kid praying. So, just keep on advocating for little Johnny to keep his mouth shut when he prays. That's real religious freedom, isn't it?

 

[TSR]

Your statement was that prayer has been taken out of schools. Maybe you should have said praying aloud has been taken out of schools. I know the schools here where my grandkids attend a moment of silence is taken, the pledge is said, then classes start.

In regards to praying aloud in school or organized prayer groups, fine with me, but just remember our country has religious freedom and every religious sect,etc. will have to be recognized (that ought to set well with school officials) especially in those large systems with very diverse student populations. :shock: If they have to allow them to pray before classes they might get to start by noon or they could begin the school day by 6:00 am. BTW there are bible classes taught in schools today during the day.

 

[hypocritexposer]

Your statement was that prayer has been taken out of schools. Maybe you should have said praying aloud has been taken out of schools. I know the schools here where my grandkids attend a moment of silence is taken, the pledge is said, then classes start.

In regards to praying aloud in school or organized prayer groups, fine with me, but just remember our country has religious freedom and every religious sect,etc. will have to be recognized (that ought to set well with school officials) especially in those large systems with very diverse student populations. :shock: If they have to allow them to pray before classes they might get to start by noon or they could begin the school day by 6:00 am. BTW there are bible classes taught in schools today during the day.

By what authority has praying out loud been taken out of schools.....I think someone might be misinterpreting SCOTUS, if that is the case


"School prayer in its common usage refers to state-approved prayer by students in state schools."

Google school prayer and Lemon Test


"First, the statute must have a secular legislative purpose; second, its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; finally, the statute must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion."

 

[TSR]

Your statement was that prayer has been taken out of schools. Maybe you should have said praying aloud has been taken out of schools. I know the schools here where my grandkids attend a moment of silence is taken, the pledge is said, then classes start.

In regards to praying aloud in school or organized prayer groups, fine with me, but just remember our country has religious freedom and every religious sect,etc. will have to be recognized (that ought to set well with school officials) especially in those large systems with very diverse student populations. :shock: If they have to allow them to pray before classes they might get to start by noon or they could begin the school day by 6:00 am. BTW there are bible classes taught in schools today during the day.

By what authority has praying out loud been taken out of schools.....I think someone might be misinterpreting SCOTUS, if that is the case


"School prayer in its common usage refers to state-approved prayer by students in state schools."

Google school prayer and Lemon Test


"First, the statute must have a secular legislative purpose; second, its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; finally, the statute must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion."

Maybe you need to ask Texan, it was his post that said/implied that you couldn't pray aloud in school.

 

[hypocritexposer]

Your statement was that prayer has been taken out of schools. Maybe you should have said praying aloud has been taken out of schools. I know the schools here where my grandkids attend a moment of silence is taken, the pledge is said, then classes start.

In regards to praying aloud in school or organized prayer groups, fine with me, but just remember our country has religious freedom and every religious sect,etc. will have to be recognized (that ought to set well with school officials) especially in those large systems with very diverse student populations. :shock: If they have to allow them to pray before classes they might get to start by noon or they could begin the school day by 6:00 am. BTW there are bible classes taught in schools today during the day.

By what authority has praying out loud been taken out of schools.....I think someone might be misinterpreting SCOTUS, if that is the case


"School prayer in its common usage refers to state-approved prayer by students in state schools."

Google school prayer and Lemon Test


"First, the statute must have a secular legislative purpose; second, its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; finally, the statute must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion."

Maybe you need to ask Texan, it was his post that said/implied that you couldn't pray aloud in school.

Seems you can't in this case, or the school will come up with some excuse to put an end to it.....


"you were blocking the hallway"

 

[Texan]

Maybe you need to ask Texan, it was his post that said/implied that you couldn't pray aloud in school.

It's not just my post that implies that - it's actually forbidden by the Texas Education Code. Section 25 of the Code allows for one minute of silence, but forbids praying aloud, even tasking teachers with being sure "that each of those students remains silent":

During the one-minute period, each student may, as the student chooses, reflect, pray, meditate, or engage in any other silent activity that is not likely to interfere with or distract another student. Each teacher or other school employee in charge of students during that period shall ensure that each of those students remains silent and does not act in a manner that is likely to interfere with or distract another student.