Northern Rancher
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Sure didn't want this to turn into an ethics debate just wanted some input to help a neighbor make a decision.
Sorry for the highjack. Have your neighbor do what works for him and his customers. But do your best to talk him out of becoming a dang seedstock outfit! :wink:Northern Rancher said:Sure didn't want this to turn into an ethics debate just wanted some input to help a neighbor make a decision.
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Yanuck said:Angus 62 said:A lot of bulls aren't clipped but torched with a propane torch. Have seen some real wrecks and in general is a bad idea perpetuated like a lot of other bad ideas by greed of the seedstock industry.
then obviously you didn't know what you were doing :roll: I'm so glad its bull sale season again, so everyone can get their belly kicks in to the PB breeders....why don't you go back to talking about whose commercial cows can be fed the least amount
Big Muddy rancher said:Yanuck said:Angus 62 said:A lot of bulls aren't clipped but torched with a propane torch. Have seen some real wrecks and in general is a bad idea perpetuated like a lot of other bad ideas by greed of the seedstock industry.
then obviously you didn't know what you were doing :roll: I'm so glad its bull sale season again, so everyone can get their belly kicks in to the PB breeders....why don't you go back to talking about whose commercial cows can be fed the least amount
I think your missing the concept. :?
It's not how little the cow eats, it's how efficient you can meet the cows nutritional needs.
I think some of this started with Randi showing the picture of the snow covered field. They knew what was under the snow and felt there was sufficient feed for 6 weeks. When the weather turned they made different plans and took the cows home to bales. What's wrong with that?
I leave pasture for winter graze. It works some years others it doesn't. I try and supplement protein to help them make better use of the graze. Some years the cows can stay all winter others they come home where it is more efficient to feed bales.
If the cows requirements are being met what determines what the best method is for doing that?
Justin said:the more i think about this, i think i'd rather have my bulls clipped. IMO, its not that clipping is done to hide anything necessarily and there is a difference between clipping and fitting. when summer rolls around and those clipped bulls are out in the pasture in their "working clothes", they are more likely to look like they did when you bought them vs. a bull that is all haired up in the winter and then slicks off in the summer and looks like a different critter.
maybe i got it all wrong.
Yanuck said:Big Muddy rancher said:Yanuck said:then obviously you didn't know what you were doing :roll: I'm so glad its bull sale season again, so everyone can get their belly kicks in to the PB breeders....why don't you go back to talking about whose commercial cows can be fed the least amount
I think your missing the concept. :?
It's not how little the cow eats, it's how efficient you can meet the cows nutritional needs.
I think some of this started with Randi showing the picture of the snow covered field. They knew what was under the snow and felt there was sufficient feed for 6 weeks. When the weather turned they made different plans and took the cows home to bales. What's wrong with that?
I leave pasture for winter graze. It works some years others it doesn't. I try and supplement protein to help them make better use of the graze. Some years the cows can stay all winter others they come home where it is more efficient to feed bales.
If the cows requirements are being met what determines what the best method is for doing that?
BMR, there's not a darn thing wrong with it at all...with that same thing in mind, why does everyone assume that all PB breeders feed their cows grain all winter? there's a lot of places that can't graze out, simply far too much snow, this being one of them...but does that make our cows any less "tough" than others? we have only ever fed the cows hay and mineral, and the only difference between comm vs PB's was we tattooed the PB ears. And they either raised a calf or they were down the road, no exceptions to the rule. I realize that there are breeders that don't do things this way, but the assumption that everyone is the same on here gets a little old somedays, and I've said that to you before. As the famous gcreek once told me, we all do it different, and that okay.
Notexsook.... don't let anybody ever tell you you're not special!!
Justin said:the more i think about this, i think i'd rather have my bulls clipped. IMO, its not that clipping is done to hide anything necessarily and there is a difference between clipping and fitting. when summer rolls around and those clipped bulls are out in the pasture in their "working clothes", they are more likely to look like they did when you bought them vs. a bull that is all haired up in the winter and then slicks off in the summer and looks like a different critter.
maybe i got it all wrong.
[/quote]I hate to clip, but we do it as it is necessary. Here are a couple examples:
1. When you go to trade off or sell your car, do you take it dirty and with a cracked headlight or do you spend a few bucks and clean it up to hope you get the best price possible.
2. When you go out on your first date trying to impress someone - do you go shaggy hair, unshaven face, or do you clean yourself up to impress her?
We clip ours up, take good pictures, have a nice catalog, do a good video, as everything you do to make them look good or better than your competition will help yoou sale day. Shaggy bulls sale day or in your ads will not impress most. I know that cowboys can see through a good haircut, but first impression is very important.
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Northern Rancher said:http://www.highlandcattleusa.org/content/Sales%20Catalog%20-%20Color_Catalog.pdf
These guys don't clip lol.