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~SH~ Thank you daily for reminding of the reasons I joined R-CALF... The main reason is that I could not belong to any group (NCBA) that people like you were supporting--- You must be out recruiting for R-CALF again altho we really don't need your help anymore. :D
 
~SH~ said:
OT: "According to the US General Accounting Office, the USDA could use the same method as is used for the school lunch program to institute it using the COOL requirements....."

We're back to that crap again huh?

This just proves what a mindless R-CULT clone you really are OT!

Once on the old forum you finally admitted that the qualifications for the school lunch program and "M"COOL were not the same.

Now you are back to parroting Leo's bullsh*t again.


IF AN ANIMAL IS BORN IN CANADA AND FED IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT ANIMAL QUALIFIES FOR THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM

IF AN ANIMAL IS BORN IN CANADA AND FED IN THE UNITED STATES, IT DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR A "BORN, RAISED, AND SLAUGHTERED IN THE U.S." ORIGIN LABEL

THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME, PERIOD!!!!

QUIT REPEATING LIES!!!!!!


~SH~
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If you could read- I said same "method" as the school lunch program and not the same rules.........GAO says it will work- but we all know that you know more than any ONE government agency ever could.....
 
OT: "If you could read- I said same "method" as the school lunch program and not the same rules.........GAO says it will work- but we all know that you know more than any ONE government agency ever could....."

Oh, I see R-CULT is suggesting using the same "METHOD" as the school lunch program rather than same "RULES" as the school lunch program.

Why don't you explain that "METHOD" OT??? Let's hear it!

What "METHOD" are you going to use for "M"COOL that will make it comparable to the school lunch program???? Hmmmm?


You know what the problem is here OT? You and the rest of the R-CULT worshippers have gone down this "M"COOL road so long that you have no damn idea how it will be implemented or enforced. As long as you can "BWAME USDA" for your flawed law, you'll flounder ahead.

You have effectively prohibited the means to enforce it, gutted any accountablility from the producers side and you have exempted 75% of the imports. You expect the retailers and packers to magically determine the origination of the beef and be held accountable for it without burdening producers with the information on the origination of the cattle that the beef came from. ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!!

Now all you are left with is a worthless skeleton of a concept that once sounded good.

The biggest shame in this whole deal is that R-CULT and their clones are allowed the critical throne of judgement on this law instead of having to implement and enforce the worthless law that they helped to write. If I worked for USDA, I would have Leo and Bill under the spotlight, accountable to the media, and would follow their logic in enforcing and implementing this law every step of the way so the whole world could see R-CULT for the deceptive, blaming organization that they really are because they don't have a clue how to prove origination without a valid traceback system.

Anyone with any common sense knows you cannot have an enforceable law without accountability. How stupid is it to levy heavy fines against retailers and processors for labeling beef correctly when the origination information that they are being held accountable for has to come from the producers. That's the depth of R-CULT's ignorance on this law.


OT: "The main reason is that I could not belong to any group (NCBA) that people like you were supporting---"

Wrong, the reason you don't belong to NCBA is because you need to have someone to blame and you need to fit in with your sale barn cronies. Being accepted by the misinformed is more important to you than the truth.

I have a low tolerance for dishonesy so it suits me just fine that those who need to blame are migrating towards R-CULT. Less internal strife that way.

Keep drinking that Kool Aid OT!


~SH~
 
RM: "All the beef coming from Canada is labeled by country of origin NOW. How much of that beef is voluntarily labeled for the consumer in the stores NOW???"

WHO IS ASKING FOR IT??????

IF CONSUMERS WERE ASKING FOR U.S. SOURCE VERIFIED BEEF, THE RETAILERS WOULD BE PROVIDING IT NOW!!!


RM: "When almost 90% of the beef sold in the USA is sold by companies opposed to country of origin labeling, THAT MAKES V-COOL A JOKE!!!!!"

THE JOKE IS FAILING TO UNDERSTAND THAT CONSUMERS AREN'T ASKING FOR IT AND IF THEY WERE, RETAILERS WOULD PROVIDE IT WITH FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR SOURCE VERIFIED CATTLE.

You government mandate lovers simply cannot see the obvious.


RM: "This issue is not about DOABILITY, it is about who will control the beef industry. In the bigger picture, it's about who will control the world food supply. Country of origin labeling is a barrier to that control!"

Here we go again with the "sky is falling" large corporate packer conspiracy theories again. When producers give up control of the cattle, they give up control of their industry. That is a choice they make. Funny how these large packers who are supposedly going to keep controlling this industry, end up with profit margins in the red. Yup, sure fits your theories doesn't it????

Nobody controls the producers in USPB but themselves and they are currently the 5th largest packer.



~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
OT: "If you could read- I said same "method" as the school lunch program and not the same rules.........GAO says it will work- but we all know that you know more than any ONE government agency ever could....."

Oh, I see R-CULT is suggesting using the same "METHOD" as the school lunch program rather than same "RULES" as the school lunch program.

Why don't you explain that "METHOD" OT??? Let's hear it!

What "METHOD" are you going to use for "M"COOL that will make it comparable to the school lunch program???? Hmmmm?


You know what the problem is here OT? You and the rest of the R-CULT worshippers have gone down this "M"COOL road so long that you have no damn idea how it will be implemented or enforced. As long as you can "BWAME USDA" for your flawed law, you'll flounder ahead.

You have effectively prohibited the means to enforce it, gutted any accountablility from the producers side and you have exempted 75% of the imports. You expect the retailers and packers to magically determine the origination of the beef and be held accountable for it without burdening producers with the information on the origination of the cattle that the beef came from. ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!!

Now all you are left with is a worthless skeleton of a concept that once sounded good.

The biggest shame in this whole deal is that R-CULT and their clones are allowed the critical throne of judgement on this law instead of having to implement and enforce the worthless law that they helped to write. If I worked for USDA, I would have Leo and Bill under the spotlight, accountable to the media, and would follow their logic in enforcing and implementing this law every step of the way so the whole world could see R-CULT for the deceptive, blaming organization that they really are because they don't have a clue how to prove origination without a valid traceback system.

Anyone with any common sense knows you cannot have an enforceable law without accountability. How stupid is it to levy heavy fines against retailers and processors for labeling beef correctly when the origination information that they are being held accountable for has to come from the producers. That's the depth of R-CULT's ignorance on this law.


OT: "The main reason is that I could not belong to any group (NCBA) that people like you were supporting---"

Wrong, the reason you don't belong to NCBA is because you need to have someone to blame and you need to fit in with your sale barn cronies. Being accepted by the misinformed is more important to you than the truth.

I have a low tolerance for dishonesy so it suits me just fine that those who need to blame are migrating towards R-CULT. Less internal strife that way.

Keep drinking that Kool Aid OT!


~SH~
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Beef in the US today could easily be marked as to born, raised, and slaughtered in the US under GAO's interpretations...... Nothing but branded cattle or origin marked box beef is being allowed in.....

~SH~ M- COOL will happen- because the rest of the world is demanding it-- Japanese are already again demanding proof of segregation of beef from a known risk BSE country (Canada)... too bad the US consumers are the last to benifit from being given the choice of what part of the world what they eat comes from.........
 
OT: "Beef in the US today could easily be marked as to born, raised, and slaughtered in the US under GAO's interpretations......"

HOW????

Explain this GAO interpretation of "M"COOL implementation!!!

EXPLAIN IT!!!!

You don't have a clue what that "GAO interpretation" means do you?


OT: "M- COOL will happen- because the rest of the world is demanding it-- Japanese are already again demanding proof of segregation of beef from a known risk BSE country (Canada)... too bad the US consumers are the last to benifit from being given the choice of what part of the world what they eat comes from........."

WRONG OT!!!!

The rest of the world is demanding "TRACEBACK" which doesn't have a anything to do with a Country of Origin labeling law that prohibited "M"ID.



~SH~
 
OT, guess you missed a major point of that NCBA Resolution: namely the first WHEREAS, which states: NCBA supports VOLUNTARY, MARKET DRIVEN country of origin labeling for beef products sold within the borders of the USA......

There are many individuals and groups of producers who are marketing their beef in this way.

Beef products labeled with not only country, but also ranch, of origin, many with trace-back available, ALREADY ARE marketed in the USA. Free enterprise at it's best. What a concept!

Why you even have an R-CALF-er doing that!

There have been some successes and some failures. Apparently the consumer is not so dedicated to USA produced beef as some claim

MRJ
 
1. Self-certification of origin for livestock producers.
2. Protection of personal production records.
3. Simple, easy to understand, country of origin retail labels.
5. Tempering of penalties during implementation period.
6. Reconciliation with existing labeling regulations.

I guess I worded it wrong-- should not have said resolutions- I guess the above are issues....But I can't see why these "issues" NCBA wants for voluntary COOL could not be used and applied to Mandatory COOL. Almost sound like what was being called for in the MCOOL law....
 

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