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Factors Affecting Beef Flavor

mrj said:
There may be more confusion than real differences between "grass-fed" and conventional beef, IMO. My questions are not intended as confrontational, but because I do not know the criteria for "grass fed beef", or are there specifics involved? BTW, that study mentioned gentle implant use, didn't it? I've heard there is no toughening of the beef when implanted as baby calves, and maybe once in the feedlot. Any info on this?

What/how are those grass fed pastures managed? Is it native plants only? Is it planted grasses and other plants? If so, how is that managed? Must the grass be green and growing for the finish period, or any other part of it, or is cured, brown grass allowed? How old are the typical grass fed cattle when harvested/processed?

All that comes to mind right now. Thanks for any answers.

mrj

I'll take a stab at some of those Mrj. First of all there is no organization that regulates any of the questions you asked. There are several "Value Chains" that market different lines like any manufacture might do. Grass fed to me includes hay, lignified stocked pasture, cereal cover crop, tame and native. In a word, grass. My customers know my protocol because as LH points out, that is what I market. Our grass fattened calves have never seen grain other than natural seed on lignified grass. We like to have them fat at 18-19 months. What doesn't make it here go to the feedlot as short keeps. Usually at a premium because ours haven't seen implants or grain and respond to both and finish well or we can finish them ourselves. I am sure there are many other protocols and if the purveyor is honest and truthful there is no reason in my mind why we can't sell it. Just an aside. In the corner store there are 20 kinds of water. Many the same other than the name. To be successful in any game it is all about marketing, not price taking.
 
Yanuck said:
Might I suggest Alberta barley fed beef also :wink:

I'll top Yanuck and Soap! How about some absolutely melt-in-your-mouth, tender, perfectly marbled, never cussed at, no-hot-shots-allowed, massaged daily, desert born and raised and finished with my secret custom mixed ration Utah beef while enjoying a tall, smooth glass of barley and hops (a much better use than fattening bovines) and a stiff shot of aged corn from a bottle as a nightcap? :wink:
 
leanin' H said:
Yanuck said:
Might I suggest Alberta barley fed beef also :wink:

I'll top Yanuck and Soap! How about some absolutely melt-in-your-mouth, tender, perfectly marbled, never cussed at, no-hot-shots-allowed, massaged daily, desert born and raised and finished with my secret custom mixed ration Utah beef while enjoying a tall, smooth glass of barley and hops (a much better use than fattening bovines) and a stiff shot of aged corn from a bottle as a nightcap? :wink:

Only if you're cooking and I don't have to do dishes! I have to ask you 'H, do you take a breath when you're talking?!! :lol: :lol: :P
 
leanin' H said:
Yanuck said:
Might I suggest Alberta barley fed beef also :wink:

I'll top Yanuck and Soap! How about some absolutely melt-in-your-mouth, tender, perfectly marbled, never cussed at, no-hot-shots-allowed, massaged daily, desert born and raised and finished with my secret custom mixed ration Utah beef while enjoying a tall, smooth glass of barley and hops (a much better use than fattening bovines) and a stiff shot of aged corn from a bottle as a nightcap? :wink:

You know, I was thinkin you were alright leanin' H, but massaging your cattle?? Are you a lonely man?? :twisted:
 
"We had our first T-bone steaks yesterday, they were fabulous! Really, really good.....nothing short of melt in your mouth perfection!!"
"The steaks were so tender I could almost cut them with fork alone (no exaggeration)"
"My son usually doesn't eat much meat and now he is cleaning his plate, as for my husband...well to quote him "This is delicious, it has taste!"

These are some of the quotes we have got as customer feedback about our grass-fed Luing beef. We are building a successful sideline direct retailing our product to discerning consumers who want a change from the commodity product. Our customer's perception is that they are getting a vastly better product than store bought with the benefit of knowing the folks who raised them. I don't think many people want to buy AB barley fed or Nebraska corn fed direct from the farm - why would they? it's essentially the same product they buy in the store. Differentiation is the key.

We also market pasture pork raised for us by a neighbor who has a dairy. Imagine the contrast in conditions between pigs raised outdoors on some grain, milk products like colostrum and whey from their small cheese plant as well as grass to eat and the conventional intensive hog barn "atmosphere". We have a hog barn 3 miles NW of us and one 3 miles SE of us and I'm just grateful we don't get strong wind too often in this area. If there are clothes drying out on the line and the wind gets up you have to wash them again. And people are expected to eat the animals that actually live in those barns?
 
Grassfarmer said:
"We had our first T-bone steaks yesterday, they were fabulous! Really, really good.....nothing short of melt in your mouth perfection!!"
"The steaks were so tender I could almost cut them with fork alone (no exaggeration)"
"My son usually doesn't eat much meat and now he is cleaning his plate, as for my husband...well to quote him "This is delicious, it has taste!"

These are some of the quotes we have got as customer feedback about our grass-fed Luing beef. We are building a successful sideline direct retailing our product to discerning consumers who want a change from the commodity product. Our customer's perception is that they are getting a vastly better product than store bought with the benefit of knowing the folks who raised them. I don't think many people want to buy AB barley fed or Nebraska corn fed direct from the farm - why would they? it's essentially the same product they buy in the store. Differentiation is the key.

We also market pasture pork raised for us by a neighbor who has a dairy. Imagine the contrast in conditions between pigs raised outdoors on some grain, milk products like colostrum and whey from their small cheese plant as well as grass to eat and the conventional intensive hog barn "atmosphere". We have a hog barn 3 miles NW of us and one 3 miles SE of us and I'm just grateful we don't get strong wind too often in this area. If there are clothes drying out on the line and the wind gets up you have to wash them again. And people are expected to eat the animals that actually live in those barns?
Grassfarmer,i agree with and compliment your production model,and agree i would'nt want to live near a factory pig farm :? ,although i imagine just like anything else some are managed better then others,i've met some small scale pig farmers with real clean outfits.But what i disagree on is the statement,no one wants to buy Alberta or Nebraska beef raised in a more conventional model,direct market.People have thier prefference and more than anything are looking for the connection to the farmer/rancher and the agricultural experience on the ranch/or at least to be sold the story no matter the production model.Imo :wink: .I think we just need to get people buying more beef in general.
 
Blkbuckaroo, you are absolutely right when you say "we just need to get people buying more beef in general".

Promoting ones own product on it's own merit and not by degrading other beef is also necessary, and so easy to do.

We also need to do more to counter the perception that mose people eat too much beef. Beef is a major food that is UNDER CONSUMED in the USA at slightly under TWO OUNCES being the average daily consumption.

If we could just figure out why beef has been the 'whipping boy' of nutritionists, we would more easily and successfully achieve optimum consumption of beef with would serve everyone, from rancher to consumer better than the current 'food fight'.

Grassfarmer, how can the smell of SOME conventional pig production facilities affect the flavor of the meat????

I for one, believe those funds for research to solve the smell problem is definitely not "political pork", but a very necessary project that could return benefits to many people. First, to the people who move in near such facilities, then file lawsuits to put the farmer out of business, then to the farmer, and finally, to many people via the by-product of turning a waste product into useful fuel, fertilizer, etc.

mrj
 
mrj said:
Grassfarmer, how can the smell of SOME conventional pig production facilities affect the flavor of the meat????
Could it be that the pigs live their entire life in that atmosphere...breathing it into their bodies?????
mrj said:
If we could just figure out why beef has been the 'whipping boy' of nutritionists, we would more easily and successfully achieve optimum consumption of beef with would serve everyone, from rancher to consumer better than the current 'food fight'.
Have you ever heard of SATURATED FATS???? Until the beef industry differentiates between saturated animal fats and hydrogenated vegetable oils(transfats), we will continue to be beat over the head with miss-perceptions by miss-informed nutritionist. Meat and saturated fats have been part of the human diet since the beginning of time.
 
mrj....how well kept and clean a pig operation is has a HUGE effect on the taste of pork. The smell will go straight into the meat. Its hard even to cook meat from a pig from an operation like this,the smell from the cooking meat id BAD!!!
 
I dont like using implants it can burn the calf out on hormones and feedlots like to use 2 or 3 implants during feeding. Calves sold with no implants usually sell 2 to 4 dollars higher here.
 
I am going to make a few statements that may ruffle some feathers, but I've gotten to "know" most of you on this board well enough that I feel I'm not helping any by biting my tongue. And please understand that my perspective is coming from wanting to help fellow farmers grow healthier food, and be more profitable.

First off, if you are feeding cattle corn, you are creating a potentially unhealthy product.

If you are feeding cattle barley, you too, are creating a potentially unhealthy product.

If you are feeding grazing animals grain of any type, you are creating a potentially unhealthy product.

If you are grass finishing without testing your soils and knowing what's going on in them, you are creating a potentially unhealthy product.

This to me is simple common sense stuff. We farm our land with herbicides, pesticides, fungicides, which are all technical terms for chemicals, and yet we think that's OK???!!!??? Oh that's right, it's diluted down in water, and so very little of it ends up in the food product in the end, that it's within acceptable limits for human consumption. In other words, we know it's harmful, but we'll take it in small doses.

How many of you have heard the talk of class action lawsuits against the big tobacco companies for the financial burden their products have put on health care in the US and Canada? Everyone has heard of these right? In the very near future, some scientist is going to prove that processed foods, meat products raised with growth hormones and antibiotics, cereal/oilseed grains, fruits and vegetables chemically farmed, are all to blame for the rapid decline in human health over the past 70-80 years. That is my prediction. When that day comes, and people start realizing what's been going in their bodies, from waxy candies and licorice, to white sugar and chemically farmed meats, who will be in the proverbial crosshairs for the terrible quality of the food we eat? I hope it won't be good folks like me and all of you, who are stewards of livestock and land. I sincerely hope that they target the Monsanto's, DowAgro's, Dupont's, Colonel Sanders and his oil-soaked KFC, but then again,who ever thought that we'd see class action lawsuits against tobacco companies being blamed for millions of deaths?

Hear me loud and clear, I am not saying that corn fed beef, barley fed beef or even grass fed beef IS dangerous. I am trying to make you all stop and think about what you're saying about what you produce. And make no mistake, you are producing food. I don't give a damn if you think all you're doing is raising calves for a specific order buyer who likes them a certain way. YOU ARE PRODUCING FOOD!! So stop and take the time to think - am I doing everything I can to make my product as healthy and nutritious as it can be?

3 things come to mind:

1 - Educate yourself. All this crap I'm rambling about, I learnt from reading and asking questions. When I hear something that sounds like BS, I research it. If you think I'm full of it after reading my rant, prove me wrong. Get books and read up on it. There's thousands of them out there about healthy food production and how it relates to human health. If anyone is interested, PM me and I'll share a list of all the books I've found.

2 - Get a Brix meter/refractometer and learn how to use it. It's a little tube that you squeeze plant juice into - from corn leaves, grass, fruits, anything - and it tells you how high the sugar content is in the plant. High sugar content in the plant means that photosynthesis is functioning properly and the plant is healthy. Healthy plants only come from healthy soils, and those 2 things will assure you that your food products are nutritious.

3 - Test your soil. Whether you grow grains or grass, find out what's going on, what's lacking, and fix it. Find people who know how to balance soils or revitalize them. Don't ask the local chemical rep, you'll just get sold more of what you've been using.

Is this a pitch to make more people stop using chemicals and farm organically? HELL YES.

Is it a pitch to make more people focus on soil health? HELL YES.

Is it a pitch to make more farmers grow the most healthy and nutritious products they can, so that they can market them confidently as such, and see more profit for their work? HELL YES. I simply believe we can all grow better food, and do it with a few simple changes. The biggest change you have to make - like I did - is your mind.
 

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