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Funny all the hereford bashing lately

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nortexsook

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Maybe the natives are getting restless. Have you seen the sale averages like the ones at Holdens, Coopers, Jamisons, ect..? Somebody's paying up for Herefords these days.

Doug has already stated it but $5.00 corn is better for Herefords than it is for the black holstein bull of the month club followers.
 
YADA YADA YADA YADA.

I've owned some hereford cows in my day and all I can say is you guy's are allergic to money...It's the black baldies these hereford bull buyers are most after combine the two breeds and now you have a cow.

$5 corn won't last you guy's have'nt been keeping up on your history lesson's..
 
>>$5 corn won't last you guy's have'nt been keeping up on your history lesson's..<<

I believe your wrong on that count. Your politicians will guarantee it. They fell for the bullcrap about ethanol. Do you know what the main "ingredient" in nitrogen fertilizer is? I'll tell you: It is Natural Gas. Have you checked the price of natural gas lately? Here's a hint: It is over $9 not just today but all along the twelve month strip. Fertilizer ain't going down, and corn ain't going down. Did you see the crop report, corn acres down big this year. Your best bet at "hedging" your self against this is (It'd be funny if I said "BUY SOME HEREFORDS") to buy stock in some US natural gas producers. Here is my free advice for the day (Angus breeder's special) look int EOG, KWK, and SWN.
 
nortexsook said:
Maybe the natives are getting restless. Have you seen the sale averages like the ones at Holdens, Coopers, Jamisons, ect..? Somebody's paying up for Herefords these days.

Doug has already stated it but $5.00 corn is better for Herefords than it is for the black holstein bull of the month club followers.

makes me smile from either aspect ....
 
Other then Soapweed pointing out the fact that he didn't have any sunburned udders on his black cows. Where is this "Hereford bashing" your talking about?

If your meaning Pat poem he is dead but raised Blacks in Hereford country and heard everything derogatory about blacks until just about everybody switched. :cowboy:
 
nortexsook said:
>>$5 corn won't last you guy's have'nt been keeping up on your history lesson's..<<

I believe your wrong on that count. Your politicians will guarantee it. They fell for the bullcrap about ethanol. Do you know what the main "ingredient" in nitrogen fertilizer is? I'll tell you: It is Natural Gas. Have you checked the price of natural gas lately? Here's a hint: It is over $9 not just today but all along the twelve month strip. Fertilizer ain't going down, and corn ain't going down. Did you see the crop report, corn acres down big this year. Your best bet at "hedging" your self against this is (It'd be funny if I said "BUY SOME HEREFORDS") to buy stock in some US natural gas producers. Here is my free advice for the day (Angus breeder's special) look int EOG, KWK, and SWN.

Best way to protect yourself is pay down your bills and be a good manager.In know way would I buy a peice of paper hopeing to cash in on some future wind fall.My wife own's some kind of stock in her 401k here lately it's so up and down she's lost every dime invested the last two quarter's.

I remember the 80's farm crisis all too well and I don't want to be faced with the same problem's my parent's went through.

There are efficent cattle in everybreed.I have been breeding for low input high maternal cows for 15 years no way would I jump ship just to chase some so called effiency fad.There are lines of black cattle that would rival the most effiecent Hereford cattle.You just need to identify them and breed from that pool of genetic's.

The biggest reason the prices are so good at these Hereford sales is the lack of good hereford genetic's.I wonder how many hereford bulls are available for sale this spring vs. angus,red angus and all the other black breed's.

Pretty tough to get black baldies out of Black cows without a hereford bull.

I have a yearling Hereford bull here right now that will be breeding straight bred 4 or 5 generation black cows this spring.He is actually 1/2 hereford and 1/2 shorthorn his dam was a 2 frame 1200# shorthorn cow we've had for years.The idea is to build our commercial herd from these genetics then breed those females back to black bulls.In know way can my area handle any hereford looking cattle.No matter if they are a better quality the buyers here can't get past the "Hereford" look and either won't take them or will discount the whole bunch for the hereford calves.

If you can get a decent profit for your hereford's that's great here we can't.At least not at this time that may change but not in the near future.The hereford's have a bad rap at all of our local barn's so it's not economicaly feasable for us.

Go get a Major AI stud book and see how many hereford bulls they have listed pretty slim picking's.

I like hereford's my bank account does'nt.
 
>>wn's some kind of stock in her 401k here lately it's so up and down she's lost every dime invested the last two quarter's.<<

Now I don't want to be overly harsh here. I looked at your website and you have some nice Angus cattle. I believe you are smart to know the difference between performance and profit.

BUT I am going to say this. If you don't know what exactly your invested in then you deserve to lose every penny in the 401(k). You have to take responsibility for your retirement investments just like you take responsibility for your cattle operation. It's your (your wife's) money you are wasting by just blindly putting money in some sort of mutual fund. Use your ag smarts to invest that 401(k) money. In addition to natural gas companies, just look at what these two fertilizer companies have been doing over the last 18 months POT (Potash Corp) and MOS (Mosaic). MOS was up 10% just yesterday on blow-out earnings.
 
nortexsook said:
>>wn's some kind of stock in her 401k here lately it's so up and down she's lost every dime invested the last two quarter's.<<

Now I don't want to be overly harsh here. I looked at your website and you have some nice Angus cattle. I believe you are smart to know the difference between performance and profit.

BUT I am going to say this. If you don't know what exactly your invested in then you deserve to lose every penny in the 401(k). You have to take responsibility for your retirement investments just like you take responsibility for your cattle operation. It's your (your wife's) money you are wasting by just blindly putting money in some sort of mutual fund. Use your ag smarts to invest that 401(k) money. In addition to natural gas companies, just look at what these two fertilizer companies have been doing over the last 18 months POT (Potash Corp) and MOS (Mosaic). MOS was up 10% just yesterday on blow-out earnings.[/quo


Potash corp and Mosaic both Saskatchewan companies. :)
 
My hat is off to those Hereford seedstock producers whose bull sales have averaged very well. Are these bulls selling to bonafide commercial operations who have to "make it" on feeder cattle sales alone, or are they possibly selling to "ranching" interests who have big outside sourced money where cattle sales really don't matter, who are following a current "fad"? :???: Just wondering, while putting two and two together and coming up with either three or five. :?
 
>>following a current "fad"?<<

To quote Larry the Cable Guy: "That's funny, I don't care who you are!"

A hereford fad?
 
nortexsook said:
>>following a current "fad"?<<

To quote Larry the Cable Guy: "That's funny, I don't care who you are!"

A hereford fad?

They have been out of style (at least in this part of the country) for years. Wide ties come and go. Maybe ostriches will even make a resurgence. :roll: :wink:
 
Ol' Soap, My ol' tongue isa little sore from my own dang teeth. Is you own pappy stupid? Why did he run Herefords? Were they the emus of the day? The sandhills could of just as easily been filled with Angus"really black cattle" when you were a sprout. Please differciat(sp) this fad from the one your "stupid" Dad followed.
Thanks,
JAH



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JAH, knowing Soap's dad raised Herefords and then refering to him as stupid is a bit tacky. I run Herefords, and think the black hide bias here in NC Kansas is ignorant, but would never go as far as to call Soap's dad dumb. I like to rib Soap from time to time about his black cattle, but feel you may have crossed the line.

you must be more southern Nebraskan, than Northern Kansan with such a nasty tounge.
 
JAH said:
Ol' Soap, My ol' tongue isa little sore from my own dang teeth. Is you own pappy stupid? Why did he run Herefords? Were they the emus of the day? The sandhills could of just as easily been filled with Angus"really black cattle" when you were a sprout. Please differciat(sp) this fad from the one your "stupid" Dad followed.
Thanks,
JAH

Fortunes have been made and lost by right or wrong timing of raising certain breeds of livestock probably more than any other factor. Herefords were at the top of the game for a good long period, but admit it or not, there were some problems with the breed. Angus mostly didn't have these problems. People are naturally lazy and want to get the most bang for the buck, with the least amount of work. Angus seem to be the most trouble-free cattle.

My dad was born and raised with Herefords, and stayed with them longer than most. His living was made entirely from cattle sales. When the prices received for his Herefords were no longer keeping up with what others were getting with other breeds, he did sit up and take notice. It was a case of "you snooze you lose." He realized that if he didn't change his ways, he probably would not be able to stay in the cattle business. After seeing how easy it was to raise Angus in comparison, and still top the market, he changed his mindset. He enjoyed raising, living, breathing and studying Herefords when it was a profitable enterprise. It was no longer fun when that was no longer the case.

Other breeds of cattle have had their day. Chianinas were on the top for awhile, but you never even hear that word anymore. They are now just "black" cattle. :wink: Salers rode the top of the tide for awhile, but disposition problems with both Kickaninas and Sail-overs hastened their demise. Buffalo brought a lot of money when Ted Turner was trying to stock his vast empires with them. After he got stocked, the market decreased dramatically. Fortunes were made with ostriches by the front-runners. Fortunes were lost by the late arrivals. Even in farming, Jerusalem Artichokes had their heyday. They were high in protein and easy to grow. Seed was sold for big bucks and a few farmers reaped fortunes. It was thought that surely a use for these artichokes would soon be found. Alas, it was not to be. If I am not mistaken, they are now considered a noxious weed.

Guess there have always been hard feelings between Hereford and Angus people. This excerpt is from "A SANDHILLS CENTURY" a history of Cherry County, Nebraska.

"Jason Haven Cole, one of seven children, was born Nov. 1, 1856 to Laura Scott and Delavan Cole who were married June 12, 1856 in Michigan.

"Jason married Sadie McCauley, Hastings, April 25, 1889. For two months they traveled with a covered wagon and 60 head of Angus cattle trailing to a homestead 30 miles north of Hyannis.

"Two sons were born; Delavan "Jay" Jason, Feb. 24, 1890 and Raymond Wiltsie, Feb. 20, 1892. Their first home was a tent, then a dugout. Later a house and corrals were built from sod.

"The Indians caused apprehension when they stopped to ask for hand-outs and admired Mrs. Cole's long pretty hair.

"Jason took a homestead, a preemption and a timber claim on Gordon Creek in western Cherry County with the Enlows, Chestnuts, Hoyts and Mullers as neighbors. It was said that neighbors objected to the Angus breed and the Cole's received letters advising them to leave the area.

"Johnny Musfeldt had also received a letter and was later found shot down beside his plow. Later a man named Shelton was shot with a .45 bullet while he stood in his yard.

"On August 14 Elmer Cole, H.V. Downing and Pete Roneon were putting up hay. Jason was mowing another meadow about a milr away. Upon hearing a gunshot the men hurried across the hills to find Jason slumped forward onto the doubletrees, dead.

"It was August 14, 1894. Jason was only 29 and left a wife and two sons. Sadie remained to raise her boys and in three years married her hired man, Harry V. Downing. Jason's killer was never found."

Herefords are probably becoming a better breed of cattle than they were when I was a youngster. Goodness knows, there has been plenty of time and opportunity to cull out the bad ones. If the breeders concentrate on having lots of pigment around the eyes and udders, they are a very good doing breed of cattle. If you are raising Herefords and keeping bulls, don't be afraid to use your jack-knife on all but the best.
 
nortexsook said:
>>wn's some kind of stock in her 401k here lately it's so up and down she's lost every dime invested the last two quarter's.<<

Now I don't want to be overly harsh here. I looked at your website and you have some nice Angus cattle. I believe you are smart to know the difference between performance and profit.

BUT I am going to say this. If you don't know what exactly your invested in then you deserve to lose every penny in the 401(k). You have to take responsibility for your retirement investments just like you take responsibility for your cattle operation. It's your (your wife's) money you are wasting by just blindly putting money in some sort of mutual fund. Use your ag smarts to invest that 401(k) money. In addition to natural gas companies, just look at what these two fertilizer companies have been doing over the last 18 months POT (Potash Corp) and MOS (Mosaic). MOS was up 10% just yesterday on blow-out earnings.


The stock market goes up and down faster than an old man on Viagra.You should do some day tradeing if it's so easy to make a profit in the stock market.I no nothing about stock's and the like.I could careless what some companies stocks are doing.At one time Enron was a good stock to have also.My wife and our accountant handle the stock's in her 401k.Any stock I buy is in the form of Land, Machinery and cattle.After those investment's I don't have any left to invest in much other than a new rope and a case of beer.
 
CRM wasn't really calling Soap's dad stupid. I was refering to another post. There sure as hell was Angus when Soap's dad started in the business I just was wondering why his son ended up so smart?
 
JAH said:
CRM wasn't really calling Soap's dad stupid. I was refering to another post. There sure as hell was Angus when Soap's dad started in the business I just was wondering why his son ended up so smart?

I wish my dad would have been running Angus when I was a kid. Life would surely have been easier.

Angus are a lazy man's breed of cattle. Being not very smart, but definitely being lazy, they fit my program. :wink:
 
Hi everyone, I am new to this site but have been looking at it lately so I decided to register. I have herefords we breed them black and do really well on the calves we sell, this year we had a change we bought black angus heifers and going to put hereford bulls on them. Herefords have been in our family for many years but we too are getting sick of all the bad things, I could make a list but it would be easier to name the only good thing about having them and that is they are nice to work with and be around. Some day our whole herd will be black. I have heard once you go black you never go back!!
 
At one time 90% of the sandhills cattlemen had Herefords. Were they stupid? Or just less lazy? Were the Angus cattle different?
 

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