How many of these 900,000 head of OTM,s do packers own out right or have total control over with this two bit shell game called"strategic Alliance'',I call this "captive supply" and I say test every damn one of them .....................good luck
HAY MAKER said:How many of these 900,000 head of OTM,s do packers own out right or have total control over with this two bit shell game called"strategic Alliance'',I call this "captive supply" and I say test every damn one of them .....................good luck
Big Muddy rancher said:HAY MAKER said:How many of these 900,000 head of OTM,s do packers own out right or have total control over with this two bit shell game called"strategic Alliance'',I call this "captive supply" and I say test every damn one of them .....................good luck
Haymaker that 900,000 came from a phone survey done at random. about that time everybody was ready to cull the whole herd.
It was cold this morning and mohair woolies would have been real nice.
By the way what were you doing out in the corral full of goats in your underwear. :cowboy:
HAY MAKER said:Big Muddy rancher said:HAY MAKER said:How many of these 900,000 head of OTM,s do packers own out right or have total control over with this two bit shell game called"strategic Alliance'',I call this "captive supply" and I say test every damn one of them .....................good luck
Haymaker that 900,000 came from a phone survey done at random. about that time everybody was ready to cull the whole herd.
It was cold this morning and mohair woolies would have been real nice.
By the way what were you doing out in the corral full of goats in your underwear. :cowboy:
Nope it's 900,000 OTM's that are in canada looking for a home,and I believe packers own the majority of them :wink: ...........good luck PS way I see it I can believe a woolie wearing politician from big beaver or canadian statistics.
Jason said:Thats an old story Haymaker, since it was written more plants are killing OTM cattle.
Many of those 900,000 estimated cattle(as at July 2004), are/ were old cows still in people's herds. They would cull them if they could get 50 cents but will try to get another calf if they can only get 20 cents. Another year passes and they are happy to get the 20 cents as many of these cows are dry.
Proof of supplies of older cows starting to fall is the price for them has advanced. They hit into the 40 cent range last week, and that brough a few more to town that were otherwise destined for another calf. That in turn has backed the price down this week to the 30 cent range.
The other thing that happens in places where we get winter is old cows will up and die. I bet lots disappeared that way.
With just over 300,000 head of young cattle having moved into the States, you can see the trucking issue will hold back these OTM, they are bigger so need more trucks for the same number of cattle.
The cattle industry is like a pond with ripples. One thing can affect many others.
HAY MAKER said:Jason said:Thats an old story Haymaker, since it was written more plants are killing OTM cattle.
Many of those 900,000 estimated cattle(as at July 2004), are/ were old cows still in people's herds. They would cull them if they could get 50 cents but will try to get another calf if they can only get 20 cents. Another year passes and they are happy to get the 20 cents as many of these cows are dry.
Proof of supplies of older cows starting to fall is the price for them has advanced. They hit into the 40 cent range last week, and that brough a few more to town that were otherwise destined for another calf. That in turn has backed the price down this week to the 30 cent range.
The other thing that happens in places where we get winter is old cows will up and die. I bet lots disappeared that way.
With just over 300,000 head of young cattle having moved into the States, you can see the trucking issue will hold back these OTM, they are bigger so need more trucks for the same number of cattle.
The cattle industry is like a pond with ripples. One thing can affect many others.
You're painting a pretty picture, but I believe we are talking about July 2005................good luck
Tam said:HAY MAKER said:Jason said:Thats an old story Haymaker, since it was written more plants are killing OTM cattle.
Many of those 900,000 estimated cattle(as at July 2004), are/ were old cows still in people's herds. They would cull them if they could get 50 cents but will try to get another calf if they can only get 20 cents. Another year passes and they are happy to get the 20 cents as many of these cows are dry.
Proof of supplies of older cows starting to fall is the price for them has advanced. They hit into the 40 cent range last week, and that brough a few more to town that were otherwise destined for another calf. That in turn has backed the price down this week to the 30 cent range.
The other thing that happens in places where we get winter is old cows will up and die. I bet lots disappeared that way.
With just over 300,000 head of young cattle having moved into the States, you can see the trucking issue will hold back these OTM, they are bigger so need more trucks for the same number of cattle.
The cattle industry is like a pond with ripples. One thing can affect many others.
You're painting a pretty picture, but I believe we are talking about July 2005................good luck
There were more than 900,000 surplus OTM cattle across the country as of last July, according to Statistics Canada. While some of those will be processed by Canadian meat plants, aging animals will swell the national herd.
About 900,000 head as of July,waiting to go south ,was what I heard..................good luck
PS that's alot of breeding cattle
Where in the Canadian press write up does it say those animals were waiting to go south?????See the problem with reading between the lines Haymaker you go back and quote where you got the information and it doesn't match what you said.
agman said:HAY MAKER said:And tell me when OTM cattle are crossing the border,and how it will effect the markets..................good luck
I do not know the answer to that question. But I do have serious reservations about OTM cattle. The science is not as clear as it is on UTM in my opinion. I have stated at meetings and to my clients I would oppose the importation of OTM's unless more evidence of safety is provided. Sorry that I did not get to your question sooner.
Big Muddy rancher said:agman said:HAY MAKER said:And tell me when OTM cattle are crossing the border,and how it will effect the markets..................good luck
I do not know the answer to that question. But I do have serious reservations about OTM cattle. The science is not as clear as it is on UTM in my opinion. I have stated at meetings and to my clients I would oppose the importation of OTM's unless more evidence of safety is provided. Sorry that I did not get to your question sooner.
Yes agman I would also like to know what evidenve of safety you are talking about.
The US and Canada have the same rateing for risk from the OIE . Are you concerned that the US is not handleing SRM's as carefully as Canada?
Big Muddy rancher said:So Fedup I asked Agman for his reasoning for his honest reply. Something that I am sure that's what we get from Agman everytime.
You seemed to be chastising me for even questioning Agman .
Since you waded in on this thread I thought you might have a opinion. I asked you said you didn't so be it. I thought you felt left out.
I still would like to know Agmans reason for his thinking wouldn't you.
:cowboy:
HAY MAKER said:Big Muddy rancher said:So Fedup I asked Agman for his reasoning for his honest reply. Something that I am sure that's what we get from Agman everytime.
You seemed to be chastising me for even questioning Agman .
Since you waded in on this thread I thought you might have a opinion. I asked you said you didn't so be it. I thought you felt left out.
I still would like to know Agmans reason for his thinking wouldn't you.
:cowboy:
I have an opinion big dummie,there are alot of unknowns about "bse" and until these unkowns are more understood trade should be limited,its that simple ,now give it a rest .................good luck PS I believe Agmans post was plain enough.
Big Muddy rancher said:So Fedup I asked Agman for his reasoning for his honest reply. Something that I am sure that's what we get from Agman everytime.
You seemed to be chastising me for even questioning Agman .
Since you waded in on this thread I thought you might have a opinion. I asked you said you didn't so be it. I thought you felt left out.
I still would like to know Agmans reason for his thinking wouldn't you.
:cowboy:
agman said:Big Muddy rancher said:So Fedup I asked Agman for his reasoning for his honest reply. Something that I am sure that's what we get from Agman everytime.
You seemed to be chastising me for even questioning Agman .
Since you waded in on this thread I thought you might have a opinion. I asked you said you didn't so be it. I thought you felt left out.
I still would like to know Agmans reason for his thinking wouldn't you.
:cowboy:
The science is not quite as clear for OTM as it was for UTM. As such, I personally believe all OTM's should be tested until such time that all OTM's will have cleared the feed ban by at least two or three additional years. Additionally, all SRM's should be removed and disposed of. Finally, all product should be boneless through the aforementioned period.
Let's see what the USDA regulations are and see how thorough they are and the rationale behind their decision. I would be surprised if there was no comment period on the proposed regulations. Sorry that I did not get back to your question sooner.
The science is not quite as clear for OTM as it was for UTM. As such, I personally believe all OTM's should be tested until such time that all OTM's will have cleared the feed ban by at least two or three additional years. Additionally, all SRM's should be removed and disposed of. Finally, all product should be boneless through the aforementioned period.