GF&P pulls plug on Adam Vinatieri's resident hunter stat

[SJ]

Pjoe if someone told you to do something you knew was wrong would you do it.

If you did, do you think by telling the judge he told me to do it would get you off the hook.

Cooper had a choice and he chose to do it.

 

[P Joe]

Pjoe if someone told you to do something you knew was wrong would you do it.

If you did, do you think by telling the judge he told me to do it would get you off the hook.

Cooper had a choice and he chose to do it.

Agree.

But, if Janklow had told you to do something that he said was legal, and it was your job on the line how would you handle it??

Not saying that Coop isn't at fault either, but I place more blame on Janklow than I do Coop.

 

[Jinglebob]

Pjoe if someone told you to do something you knew was wrong would you do it.

If you did, do you think by telling the judge he told me to do it would get you off the hook.

Cooper had a choice and he chose to do it.

Agree.

But, if Janklow had told you to do something that he said was legal, and it was your job on the line how would you handle it??

Not saying that Coop isn't at fault either, but I place more blame on Janklow than I do Coop.

Of course you do, that's what liberals do. :wink:

 

[SJ]

Pjoe--But, if Janklow had told you to do something that he said was legal, and it was your job on the line how would you handle it??

Not saying that Coop isn't at fault either, but I place more blame on Janklow than I do Coop.

If Janklow had asked me to do something that was legal, I would have no reason not to do it.

That was not the case.

Have you ever heard the old saying "money is the root of all evil" or "everyone has a price".

Like I said before evidently Cooper's price was an illegal elk tag to keep his job.

Cooper knew it was wrong otherwise he would have had the license sent to Washburn.

If he wasn't sure he works across the street from the AG office and could have gotten legal advice, but he didn't.

If he is willing to break the law for an illegal elk tag, what else would he be willing to do to keep his job.

Hind sight is always 20/20 but I believe I would take the chance of loosing my job and keeping my integrity.

I would have a hard time teaching my kids and grandkids right from wrong if I don't practice what I teach.

The laws apply to all.

What would you do?

 

[Liberty Belle]

P Joe: And Besides, if you follow LB's rules, his dad should be able to BUY a tag and TRANSFER it anyways!!!

I hope Vinatieri's dad has a chance to read this comment of yours. I understand that his father was one of the "sportsmen" testifying against our landowner sponsored license bill that would have allowed his son a chance to legally hunt on the private property of a landowner who would sponsor him.

I'm sure there are plenty of landowners in South Dakota who would be proud to let Adam Vinatieri use their landowner sponsored license and have an opportunity to hunt on their land if they were granted the right to do so. Too bad his father didn't give a little thought to his son's situation before he testified against a law that might have helped not only his son, but other native South Dakotans that no longer live on the "home place".

P Joe: But, if Janklow had told you to do something that he said was legal, and it was your job on the line how would you handle it??

Not saying that Coop isn't at fault either, but I place more blame on Janklow than I do Coop.

I have to agree with SJ. I sure that surprises you, right?

If Janklow told Cooper to knock off some of his political enemies because Janklow thought it was legal, according to your reasoning, Cooper should have felt perfectly safe bumping off anyone criticizing Wild Bill even though Cooper knew that, regardless of what Janklow said, those actions were illegal.

Sorry, but the two were equally culpable. Both of them swore to uphold the law and both of them violated it, as did Daschle's aide, Eric Washburn.

There is plenty of guilt to go around and absolutely NO punishment was dealt to any of the culprits because they had political cover that the average citizen doesn't have.

Doesn't seem right to me, but I guess you're okay with it, huh?

 

[P Joe]

Pjoe if someone told you to do something you knew was wrong would you do it.

If you did, do you think by telling the judge he told me to do it would get you off the hook.

Cooper had a choice and he chose to do it.

Agree.

But, if Janklow had told you to do something that he said was legal, and it was your job on the line how would you handle it??

Not saying that Coop isn't at fault either, but I place more blame on Janklow than I do Coop.

Of course you do, that's what liberals do. :wink:

I take offense to that. What's your love affair with Janklow??

 

[P Joe]

I hope Vinatieri's dad has a chance to read this comment of yours. I understand that his father was one of the "sportsmen" testifying against our landowner sponsored license bill that would have allowed his son a chance to legally hunt on the private property of a landowner who would sponsor him.

I'm sure there are plenty of landowners in South Dakota who would be proud to let Adam Vinatieri use their landowner sponsored license and have an opportunity to hunt on their land if they were granted the right to do so. Too bad his father didn't give a little thought to his son's situation before he testified against a law that might have helped not only his son, but other native South Dakotans that no longer live on the "home place".

I hope he does. Obviously he agrees with me. And I am sure by your thinking he probably would have paid a pretty penny to do so also!

I hope he sees your reply and takes offense to the way you made him look so stupid. I'm sure that he "thought" about the affect that the law would have on him, his family, and the state and voiced his opinion accordingly.

LB, I would have thought you might have grown up a little by now. Just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't mean they haven't weighed the facts and come to their own conclusion. Or wait, you are in polictics now! Thats right, smear the opposition??? Is that how it works?

I have to agree with SJ. I sure that surprises you, right?

Nope!

If Janklow told Cooper to knock off some of his political enemies because Janklow thought it was legal, according to your reasoning, Cooper should have felt perfectly safe bumping off anyone criticizing Wild Bill even though Cooper knew that, regardless of what Janklow said, those actions were illegal.

Come on LB, That is far stretch even for you to compare those 2 things. A sentence of life in prision vs a fine. GET REAL!

Sorry, but the two were equally culpable. Both of them swore to uphold the law and both of them violated it, as did Daschle's aide, Eric Washburn.

There is plenty of guilt to go around and absolutely NO punishment was dealt to any of the culprits because they had political cover that the average citizen doesn't have.

Doesn't seem right to me, but I guess you're okay with it, huh?[/b]

No it doesn't seem right and all of them should have been punished. But Janklow knew it was just as wrong as did the other 3. He was the top dog and he should have been the 1st hit.
Why do you defend Janklow so much???
Don't you think Dachle knew about the whole thing???
Why do you place so much blame on Cooper???

Ummmm..... scratch that last one. I answered it myself. It's because of you bias opinion and plain hate of Cooper isn't it???

I didn't like Cooper that much either, but I have to give him some credit for standing up to the backwoods thinking of people like you! You talk about being ran over by GF&P, while you "west river" types try to run over the rest of the state. If I have to live by a set of rules, come Hell or high water YOU will too!

 

[Jinglebob]

I didn't like Cooper that much either, but I have to give him some credit for standing up to the backwoods thinking of people like you! You talk about being ran over by GF&P, while you "west river" types try to run over the rest of the state. If I have to live by a set of rules, come Hell or high water YOU will too!

Soo, you smear us who live west of the river, who live in a different type of country with a different annual rainfall amount, and expect us to like it?

What exactly is "backwoods" type thinking?

Seems to me you want everyone to think like you and put down and cuss everyone who doesn't.

I don't care what the laws are east river. I live in the west river. Totally different type of land conditions. I see no reason why there can't be different rules for different areras. Don't they have different rules for the Black Hills? How many antelope hunters do you get back there? What about praire deer?

It's should be administored by different rules.

You seem awfully jealous of those of us who live west river. Tired of raising corn and soybeans? We don't as we don't get enough rainfall. Perhaps yopu are tired of mud. We don't have much problemns with that either.

Maybe your just tired of all the people who live so close around you.

From the sound of you, they probably are tired of you also. :wink:

 

[publichunter]

Jingle Bob you keep being that mean and nasty, there wont be any jingle for you on Christmas......
I dont think anyone has been over-ran by GF&P, including the use of Open Fields, some of the west river people are upset because they have very limited ability to commercialize Antelope and Deer hunting, such as the over commercialization of pheasant hunting. The largest problem is the lack of the right to transfer a Big Game tag, the majority of South Dakotans dont agree with that and they have not been able to change the law to satisfy the rancher that wants to sell the public's widlife.

 

[P Joe]

Soo, you smear us who live west of the river, who live in a different type of country with a different annual rainfall amount, and expect us to like it?

What exactly is "backwoods" type thinking?

Seems to me you want everyone to think like you and put down and cuss everyone who doesn't.

I don't care what the laws are east river. I live in the west river. Totally different type of land conditions. I see no reason why there can't be different rules for different areras. Don't they have different rules for the Black Hills? How many antelope hunters do you get back there? What about praire deer?

It's should be administored by different rules.

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You are the ones that have the mind set of "East" and "West" river not me. Just pointed that little fact out.

Trust me, I am no more jealous of you than you are of me. :wink: And sorry, but I don't have much for neighbors. How many pheasant hunters do you get there. Seems to me we have many of the same problems and issues.

I didn't put down or cuss anybody. Just voiced my opinion. Seems to me you are the one who is doing the put down and cussing. Take a look at what you wrote again. :roll: :roll:

And Sorry, but as long as you live in the same state I do, I will do everything in my power to make sure you follow the same damn rules that I have to. IF you don't like it, sounds like North Dakota isn't that far away!

 

[Jinglebob]

Soo, you smear us who live west of the river, who live in a different type of country with a different annual rainfall amount, and expect us to like it?

What exactly is "backwoods" type thinking?

Seems to me you want everyone to think like you and put down and cuss everyone who doesn't.

I don't care what the laws are east river. I live in the west river. Totally different type of land conditions. I see no reason why there can't be different rules for different areras. Don't they have different rules for the Black Hills? How many antelope hunters do you get back there? What about praire deer?

It's should be administored by different rules.

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You are the ones that have the mind set of "East" and "West" river not me. Just pointed that little fact out.

Trust me, I am no more jealous of you than you are of me. :wink: And sorry, but I don't have much for neighbors. How many pheasant hunters do you get there. Seems to me we have many of the same problems and issues.

I didn't put down or cuss anybody. Just voiced my opinion. Seems to me you are the one who is doing the put down and cussing. Take a look at what you wrote again. :roll: :roll:

And Sorry, but as long as you live in the same state I do, I will do everything in my power to make sure you follow the same damn rules that I have to. IF you don't like it, sounds like North Dakota isn't that far away!

Odd, you didn't answer any of my questions. :???:

What do you think calling people "backwoodsy" is, a compliment?

I have no problems following the rules either. Just think we could accomplish a lot more if/when the powers that be recognize that we live in two very different types of country. Eastern side is more like Minn. oerIowa. Western side is more like Wyo. or Mont.

Sure screwed up when they split this state didn't they?

I've been to North Dakota and sure like the southwestern corner. But then my family has lived in these parts since the whitemen first came in and were kicked back out. we came in again. we seem to like it here and don't look to be leaving.

We've dealt with problems from the east before. I imagine we always will, just like our red brothers. :wink:
:lol: :lol:

So are you going to answer the questions or not? :???:

 

[Liberty Belle]

P Joe:

Liberty Belle wrote:
I hope Vinatieri's dad has a chance to read this comment of yours. I understand that his father was one of the "sportsmen" testifying against our landowner sponsored license bill that would have allowed his son a chance to legally hunt on the private property of a landowner who would sponsor him.

I'm sure there are plenty of landowners in South Dakota who would be proud to let Adam Vinatieri use their landowner sponsored license and have an opportunity to hunt on their land if they were granted the right to do so. Too bad his father didn't give a little thought to his son's situation before he testified against a law that might have helped not only his son, but other native South Dakotans that no longer live on the "home place".

I hope he does. Obviously he agrees with me. And I am sure by your thinking he probably would have paid a pretty penny to do so also!

I hope he sees your reply and takes offense to the way you made him look so stupid. I'm sure that he "thought" about the affect that the law would have on him, his family, and the state and voiced his opinion accordingly.

No, no. Vinatieri's dad made himself look stupid. I just pointed it out in case you might have missed it.

P Joe: LB, I would have thought you might have grown up a little by now. Just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't mean they haven't weighed the facts and come to their own conclusion. Or wait, you are in polictics now! Thats right, smear the opposition??? Is that how it works?

If pointing out what someone said or did is smearing them, I guess I'm guilty. I realize as a politician, I have a lot to learn when it comes to hiding what my position is on an issue and giving folks the "politically correct", sugar-coated, song and dance routine you seem to expect from your political heroes.

Sorry about that, but it just isn't in me. I do try not to be too nasty though. Maybe you and I could both take lessons on how to be nice to someone we don't agree with? Probably do us both good…

No it doesn't seem right and all of them should have been punished. But Janklow knew it was just as wrong as did the other 3. He was the top dog and he should have been the 1st hit.
Why do you defend Janklow so much???

Defend Janklow? Huh? He is one of the two I said were equally culpable, Cooper being the other one!! Learn to read, okay? I should have mentioned the other two, Washburn and Daschle. Thanks for pointing that out. :twisted:

Don't you think Dachle knew about the whole thing???

Yes.

Why do you place so much blame on Cooper???

Because he WAS to blame. No one forced him to break the law. He did it himself. Cooper had Washburn's resident license SENT TO COOPER'S OWN ADDRESS!!!

Ummmm..... scratch that last one. I answered it myself. It's because of you bias opinion and plain hate of Cooper isn't it???

Nope. I don't hate the man, in fact I admire him for the service he gave to this country while in the military. I just see him for what he is instead of viewing him as an object of worship.

I didn't like Cooper that much either, but I have to give him some credit for standing up to the backwoods thinking of people like you! You talk about being ran over by GF&P, while you "west river" types try to run over the rest of the state.

I'll plead guilty to being a "west river" type all right, and I'll also admit to being rather backwoodsy, but would you kindly give me an example of us trying to "run over" the rest of the state? You've got me puzzled with that one.

If I have to live by a set of rules, come Hell or high water YOU will too!

OK, now pay attention, Joe ol' pal. This is the whole point of this conversation! I believe EVERYONE should have to live by the rules and obey the law, and I frankly don't care who they are, where they are from, or what their political connections are.

No one should be above the law, not you, not me, not Janklow, Cooper, Daschle or Washburn. Not even the Vinatieri's!

The rule of law is where its at for me pal!! That's the only thing that separates our great nation from the two-bit dictatorships of the world and I'm proud to have also sworn to uphold the same laws those guys would like to ignore.

 

[SJ]

Liberty Bell--OK, now pay attention, Joe ol' pal. This is the whole point of this conversation! I believe EVERYONE should have to live by the rules and obey the law, and I frankly don't care who they are, where they are from, or what their political connections are.

Exactly, couldn't have put it any better.

 

[SJ]

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public hunter

I dont think anyone has been over-ran by GF&P, including the use of Open Fields, some of the west river people are upset because they have very limited ability to commercialize Antelope and Deer hunting, such as the over commercialization of pheasant hunting. The largest problem is the lack of the right to transfer a Big Game tag, the majority of South Dakotans dont agree with that and they have not been able to change the law to satisfy the rancher that wants to sell the public's widlife.

No one can run over you, unless you are willing to let them.

The pheasant hunting east river has been a way for the property owners to get something for their contribution to the wildlife.

What it comes down to is if the wildlife belongs to all, all should pay for the wildlife.

 

[publichunter]

SJ I beleive we the people do pay for the wildlife.

 

[P Joe]

Odd, you didn't answer any of my questions. :???:

What do you think calling people "backwoodsy" is, a compliment?

I have no problems following the rules either. Just think we could accomplish a lot more if/when the powers that be recognize that we live in two very different types of country. Eastern side is more like Minn. oerIowa. Western side is more like Wyo. or Mont.

Sure screwed up when they split this state didn't they?

I've been to North Dakota and sure like the southwestern corner. But then my family has lived in these parts since the whitemen first came in and were kicked back out. we came in again. we seem to like it here and don't look to be leaving.

We've dealt with problems from the east before. I imagine we always will, just like our red brothers. :wink:
:lol: :lol:

So are you going to answer the questions or not? :???:

Quite frankly, YOU"RE not worth the time.

 

[P Joe]

OK, now pay attention, Joe ol' pal. This is the whole point of this conversation! I believe EVERYONE should have to live by the rules and obey the law, and I frankly don't care who they are, where they are from, or what their political connections are.

No one should be above the law, not you, not me, not Janklow, Cooper, Daschle or Washburn. Not even the Vinatieri's!

The rule of law is where its at for me pal!! That's the only thing that separates our great nation from the two-bit dictatorships of the world and I'm proud to have also sworn to uphold the same laws those guys would like to ignore.

If that is so true then why do you think Vinatieri got a raw deal??

Why do you not say anything when your ole pal Jingle B*tch says this state should have different rules between you and me??

 

[SJ]

Publichunter

How much do you personally pay for the wildlife?

 

[publichunter]

Seems to me that my tax bill last month was nearly $8000 that I paid for the year, and I am sure you being such an upstanding citizen that you or your family dont take any kind of subsidy from the Govt? I am sure you own all the land that you ranch on no Govt leases, either Federal or State Everyone of my vehicles, trailers, etc have to have licenses on, so I am sure I helped pay for widlife, did you mow or ever mow any road ditches>? free public hay....there are many ways the public pays for wildlife. have you planted any trees that are cost shared? had a damn dug that was cost shared?

 

[Jinglebob]

Seems to me that my tax bill last month was nearly $8000 that I paid for the year, and I am sure you being such an upstanding citizen that you or your family dont take any kind of subsidy from the Govt? I am sure you own all the land that you ranch on no Govt leases, either Federal or State Everyone of my vehicles, trailers, etc have to have licenses on, so I am sure I helped pay for widlife, did you mow or ever mow any road ditches>? free public hay....there are many ways the public pays for wildlife. have you planted any trees that are cost shared? had a damn dug that was cost shared?

I won't speak for SJ, but as for me, I run on deeded ground. I paid for my licenses also. I used to mow our road that runs in front of the house, yet I pay taxes on both sides to the middle of the road, so I am not sure how that makes a difference. I've planted lots of trees, some were cost shared. Never put in a cost shared dam. I see lots of wildlife in the trees and lots of wildlife who drink from the wells and tanks we have put in also. Many eat the grasses and shorbs and shrubs on our ptivate deeded land that we have payed taxes on for more than 100 years.

We all pay as much or more taxes as anyone.

How many deer, antelope, turkey's or any other wild animals do you raise on your place?

Why do you ask queestions, yet won't answer any?

And who's a name caller? Jingle what? :lol:

So where does the money come from to take care of the wildlife?