Publichunter--My quote was "I am sure some of my money has helped you and I am glad because that is what it is suppose to do, you people act like the rest of society doesnt contribute anything to your existance."
Where did I say or suggest this? If you can find where I have said or implied that society doesn't contribute anything to our existence I will apologize. I am sure some of my money has helped you and I am also glad.
Publichunter--How would you assume that I think you are a parasite? from the above my point is you folks act like we (hunters) dont pay anything and we think it is our right to hunt and trespass on your property. I have NEVER heard anyone say that, I think that is a big myth you like to hide behind.
Heres your statement: Publichunter_______________________________________
I am sure you being such an upstanding citizen that you or your family dont take any kind of subsidy from the Govt?
How would you take this statement?
I have never said hunters feel they can trespass (trespass being illegal) on my land. In fact I would say 98 percent of the hunters ask permission. Although at a working group meeting a person was asked what have hunters' given up, he stated, hunters had given up the right to trespass on private property. We have bad apples in every faction landowners included. I am not sure what you are referring to when you say; hide behind or myth. I feel I have tried to be open and say how I feel.
Publichunter--The Farm Bill is very huge and I know it real well so I dont think I need to read it anymore, Society (me include) receive huge benefits from the Farm Bill the problem is that it mostly goes to corporate operations and not the little guy, of which there are not many left. The benefits i receive from it is clean water clean air less erosion both wind and water.
I am glad you realize you receive some benefits, many just think by the name of the bill; farmers/ranchers are the only ones receiving subsidies or benefits from the Farm Bill. I would say there are other things you benefit from but no use belaboring the issue. I have a niece that works in DC in AG.
Publichunter--The hay is free except for your costs to cut and bale, you dont need to pay anyone for it, I believe that the taxes you pay are for road maintance to repair where over weight vehicles or when we have moisture some dumb butt driving and tearing up a road or section line.
The hay may not be of high quality, but in these times of expensive feed, I am sure it is welcome? or isnt it?
If there is a lot of trash in the ditches that is too bad. I know where I live here it is always the people who live in the area are the polluters.
You are right they don't need to pay anyone for the grass they put up in the ditch. It is a benefit to those driving the road to have the ditch mowed ( to see deer etc.).It really makes my hair stand up when I see the word free. Free money, free whatever, nothing is free in this world not even freedom. If you know it is the people in your area who are throwing out trash( you must have seen them do it), why don't you turn them in? I don't know what difference it make who throws the trash, who ever does it, is wrong. I am sure some of the people who live here pollute but I also know that some of the trash comes from people outside the area.
It must be worth mowing or I am sure they wouldn't do it.
Publichunter--Why would my post make you think that your land will never be open again? You know as well as I do if someone offered you enough money you would allow them the right to tresspass, and SJ dont worry to me your land has always been closed and I agree with you 100% everyone owns the wildlife and you own your land, you do as you see fit with it. There will become a time when you will need hunters to manage the heard.
Unless we dont have "open Fields" and then there is no way to check what you are doing on your property. Maybe you are shooting, managing and wasting wildlife all on your own. If that is the case you deserve to pay the penality and in my opinion go to jail.
Your statement--"You know as well as I do if someone offered you enough money you would allow them the right to tresspass,"
No, I would not allow anyone to trespass. So far no one has offered me enough money to sell the hunting rights.
GF&P asking permission to enter would have been enough for me to open my property; I guess my price was too high.
I hope that I never let money run my life but again as I have said before everyone has a price.
No, there will never be a time I need hunters for management, hunting has never managed the wildlife.
I feel the open fields is interpreted and used wrong by GF&P. If not why did law enforcement not enter land in NC when a person was missing, dogs tracked her to private property outside the city, yet law enforcement did not enter because law enforcement asked permission to enter and were refused permission. Why law enforcement didn't get a warrant, I don't know. Either they were denied a warrant or felt they didn't have enough for a judge to grant a warrant.
I would think human life is way more important than wildlife. I would also think Law enforcement agencies would work in the same manner.
I try to follow all the law all the time. I still have a right to protect my property as you do. You are right if I break the law I will pay the penalty and will go to jail if need be and rightly so.
Publichunter--Why did your post make me think about opening my land again? Reread your statement about being an upstanding citizen, if that is what the majority thinks of ranchers or farmers (not an upstanding citizen if they receive anything from the government), it really bothers me. I may disagree and get frustrated but I really try not to get personal.
I like being where I am at and don't feel bad because I don't have all the things the City has to offer, yet when I do go I don't complain about the cost of things( I have a choice to buy or not) or feel that things should be free because I am from the country. When I come to the city I pay the city sales tax, helping pay for things I never use. Do I ever wish I could just go out to eat and not cook? yes. Do I wish sometimes the movie hall was closer? Yes, but that's life, and I am not willing to give up what I have for that.
Public hunter--Oh no dont confuse them with facts, besides that is the GF&P information I am sure it cant be trusted or beleived......
The facts may tell you alot about wildlife numbers, but I am not blind yet.
