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give the Praire back to the Buffalo

jigs

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the Weekly Reader episode at our home caused a great upheaval. I have no response from the weekly reader people, so my wife went to the web site of the organization proposing it. it is from South Dakota.......are all you Dakotans crazy??? any way here is my wife letter and the response


Hello,

I am a Kansan, lived here all my life, have loved a rich life on the farm. I grew up exploring through pastures, riding the tractor with my father, and watching a dark blue sky crawl across the horizon as far as I could see.

How many people who live in Washington DC or Los Angeles or New York or Detroit or anywhere else can say they've experienced that?

So why are we so intent on taking land away from people who love it, rather than taking cities away from people who hate the land and have COMPLETELY destroyed nature where they live? New York was once beautiful farmland. So was every city in America. And yet, no one ever says, we need to tear down these concrete slabs of ugliness and restore it to the beauty it once was.

Is it because YOU people live in cities? So YOU need a beautiful, natural environment to visit? WE LOVE OUR LAND, WE LIVE OFF OF OUR LAND, it sustains us and we sustain it! The only thing we do to the land is farm it to feed your faces and farming is NOT pouring concrete and building houses.

Cities have destroyed nature, not farm ground and not farmers. I DARE YOU to visit the heartland, then walk through the streets of any major city, and you tell me what true destruction is!

Where are these farmers going to go when you "buy them out?" We don't farm for the money, we farm because we love seeing deer running across the field, spotting that bobcat down by the creek. We live here because we love it and if you love it so much, then you come live here too. But don't take it away from people who have invested their hearts in nature and want to raise their children to appreciate it as well.

I don't want to live in one of your ugly cities so I can come and VISIT the land I get to enjoy every single day. I am all for preserving my lifestyle, by teaching my children what is valuable. I cannot for the life of me, figure out why no one takes a stand against the destruction that CITY PEOPLE cause.

Think about it, maybe you'll realize you're all hypocrites and leave those of us alone who leave you alone in your destructive cities! Thank you!

A FARMER'S WIFE, MOM, LOVER OF ANIMALS AND NATURE


Dear Kansas Mom,

The Great Plains is 400 million acres in size. A couple million acres protected by willingly local folks is hardly threatening. Nobody is taking anybody's land away. That is crazy and impossible.

But let's not forget: Indian people were forced to beg for ladles of blood --anything at all to eat -- as they were shot and starved into submission, while their ancestral lands were taken away. Taking people's land away is what other people did; why as a minority majority organization would we want to do the same?

65 million buffalo, 125 million pronghorn, and 5 billion prairie dogs were slaughtered. There has been so much bloodshed, suffering, and sorrow.

In 2006, there is still so much hatred, war and ugliness in the world, and your words are just more about war.

Bringing all people together, black, white, Indian, Hispanic, Muslim, straight, gay, handicapped, elderly, rural and urban, to save a tiny portion of our shattered, sacred Earth, and offer hope to our children, may break the ugly vicious circle of our civilization. We are working both in the outback, and in the city, to protect, restore and heal our lands and water. Half of GPRC's work is centered right in the inner city and at the city's edge.

Some of us grew up dirt poor in rural or inner city neighborhoods. Whether we live on a plowed field or a street or a ranch, we still live on the Great Plains, we still share the same sun, storms, wind and water (how about that cold north wind today!) and finding a way to work together offers a chance to open a new door into the future.

Nobody is taking anybody's land away. Rural, city, and Indian reservation folks are working together to create a couple small wildlife refuges that represent a tiny fraction of the Great Plains. This is only happening on land where the landowner willingly wants this. Our entire Northern Plains program is run by poverty-stricken Oglala Lakota residents of the deeply rural Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota.

May God Bless you, and I pray that you may not live with such hate in your heart, and that you may see with clear eyes who your real enemies are. If you haven't watched the news, the world is approaching ecological collapse and multi-system failure; even evangelical Christians are sounding the alarm. We are all in this together, and I truly pray that few moms have as much hate and violence in their hearts as you do,. It's time to get past the wars; meanwhile those who are laughing all the way to the bank get your votes, and wage more wars.

Sincerely,

A Vegan Athlete, Texas Papi, with rural roots, who lives in incredible Awe of God and Earth
 
Jarid Manos
Executive Director
Great Plains Restoration Council
PO Box 1206
Fort Worth, Texas 76101
817 838 9022
www.gprc.org
www.fortworthprairiepark.org


thier contact info
 
I agree with Red Robin. That was an excellent letter that your wife wrote.

I'm embarrassed to think that an organization like that calls Texas home. Thanks for posting their contact info. I might just have to sic my wife on them. I think she would probably enjoy communicating with them. Maybe even on a regular basis. :lol:
 
:mad: :evil: :mad: :evil: :mad: :evil: Oh I should have calmed down before posting. Honestly,that was one of the rudest sancrimonious replys I've ever read,piece of crap vegan,doesn't know a damn thing about anything outside his city skyrise condo.These idiots do not realise we,ranchers are the biggest natural preservers there are :!: An email will be sent....after I calm down and can think a little more rationally :mad:
 
Hey, the pineridge res is in soapweeds neighborhood. Maybe he's donating the land! :lol:

edit: not even a funny joke. Sorry soapweed. I'm still amazed this guy's article got into the weekly reader . I guess it shows what kind of an organization they are as well.
 
Faster horses said:
We've got the info, so lets all send them a letter.
I sure have a thing or two to tell them!!!!!!
Educated Idiots, they are!!!!!!!!
Hate to disagree Faster...I do not think they're educated,going to a university does not mean you have any life education. Too many of these people are "educated"in extreme liberal universities with extreme liberal do-good professers that also have never had a true life education anywhere but inside a classroom.{apparently haven't calmed down enough yet... :oops: }
 
Rethink what I put...educated idiot...I mean the same thing you do.
You really are hot!!!!!!!! :P

And I don't blame you a bit. It really is
disgusting. They have no idea where their food comes
from and they don't realize how much we pay in land taxes.
And many other things I could name.
 
When looking at this from a detatched and very general view one could say "Hey, the guy is right.. If people choose to convert their land into buffalo playgrounds with prairie dog cities and no real production what is the real problem.. Whether it is short grass or Tall grass prairie or even turning this area back into the wetlands and Bluestem "paradise" it once was... But look further and you can see what the end result of this is.. The death of rural america. As people remove produciton from the land you are removing families that fuel the local business and school districts. Towns around here are dying a slow, painful death as farms have moved from 160 acre multi crop, old McDonald farms to 4000 acre fully mechanized enterprises robbing the towns of the people who used to shop local, supportting taverns, grocery stores and hardware stores... I could only imagine that it would be much more severe if this was to happen out west... At least our large place still employ some people, I highly doubt the Buffalo commons would..

Where this mind set is really going to be dangerous is areas with huge tracts of Federal land.... They will be pushed for being turned into Wilderness areas and monuments and all of that stuff... Nightmare...
 
Cattle army.... if I owned 2500 acres and nestled into it was your 1500, and I donate my land to the " Vegan head up my butt praire reserve & city slicker getaway" project. here is what would happen.

my praire dogs do not understand fences. they start rippin up your pasture. you lose production.
next my deer, elk, and pronghorn start popping your fences. your cattle get out, cause you more work and grief.
My buffalo give your herd brucellossis.....and after all this you can not do anything because they really are not my animals, they belong to the idea of restoration....I have more rights due to the historical aspect of it all.

PLUS all my pot smoking hippie friends are visiting this grand zoo I have built, and the traffic the noise, the weird people, and the second hand smoke gets you high, this will all piss you off.

so what are your options??? really none , eventually we try to buy you out to ease your pain, but you want too much money, so our liberal lawyers take you to court, condem your land and take it is the intrest of public good.

now we nearly doubled in size, and we border Soapweed. he is our next target!
 
jigs said:
Cattle army.... if I owned 2500 acres and nestled into it was your 1500, and I donate my land to the " Vegan head up my butt praire reserve & city slicker getaway" project. here is what would happen.

my praire dogs do not understand fences. they start rippin up your pasture. you lose production.
next my deer, elk, and pronghorn start popping your fences. your cattle get out, cause you more work and grief.
My buffalo give your herd brucellossis.....and after all this you can not do anything because they really are not my animals, they belong to the idea of restoration....I have more rights due to the historical aspect of it all.

PLUS all my pot smoking hippie friends are visiting this grand zoo I have built, and the traffic the noise, the weird people, and the second hand smoke gets you high, this will all p*** you off.

so what are your options??? really none , eventually we try to buy you out to ease your pain, but you want too much money, so our liberal lawyers take you to court, condem your land and take it is the intrest of public good.

now we nearly doubled in size, and we border Soapweed. he is our next target!

That is a very good way of describing the problem, jigs. Landowners considering selling out should "just say no" to Ted Turner, even if his offer is more money than a bona-fide rancher would pay. Let proper principles prevail.
 
You can't feed your family and pay the bank of those high "moral principals".

Sometimes you've got to sell.

Most of you seem to have been lucky you've not had to face that...I hope you never do!
 
I know it has been discussed before, but there was a great farmer/rancher/conservationist who lived in NW South Dakota. He passed away a few years ago. He knew and proved that domestic livestock and wildlife could co-exist and flourish. If you have ever been to this man's place you would see first hand that this is true. He was also befriended the original "inventors" of the Buffalo Commons Theory (a highly unpopular thing at the time). Over time he was able to educate these people about rural life on the plains and how hard people worked to keep nature in balance. Eventually these people (from New York) had a change of heart about their theory, and are now advocated of the rural lifestyle.
 
The main problem with wildlife preserves, is that they are managed around the tourist not the environment, so they never achieve the intended ideals and continue to suffer a contrast of overgrazing in the areas accessed by tourists by the overly tame grazers, and undergrazing in remote areas where all the 'controll' takes place when it is decided to reduce the stocking rate without upsetting the tourists.
Many ranchers in my area of Zimbabwe ran conservancies in conjunction with neighbours, both to the benefit of the environment and our bank balance.
A good example of wildlife encroaching on neighbour's land and causing damage, was when Paul and Linda Mc Cartny turned their farm into a 'preserve' and their deer damaged increasing areas of neighbour's crops every year, They refused to meet the neighbours to discuss a solution or pay compensation, so the farmers had a big deer shoot when they found the deer in their fields shooting over 40 I believe, and sold the venison as compensation, the Mc Cartny outcry was loud and very public, but they were legally wrong so decided to fence off their deer. This wasn't quite the end, a herd of wild boar that they had protected, was no longer wanted, so were driven off the property into the neighbours farms as they fenced!
Preserves must be managed around the environment, generate a profit, and create jobs locally, and managed in co-operation with the neighbours.
 

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