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nortexsook

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not so good for Corn growers. (Is it just me or have they gotten just a tad snotty over the last few years) (funny that they may be hung by their own green rope)

>>Over the past few years, the legislature of the State of California has passed into law a series of Acts to combat Global Warming—one aspect of which is to reduce the State's own Greenhouse Gas (GHG) emissions by 10 percent by the year 2020.



Within the state, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) is responsible for developing regulations to implement these enacted legislative goals. A new "Low Carbon Fuel Standard" (LCFS) is part of the planned regulatory structure, and on March 5, 2009, the staff of CARB released a set of documents and spreadsheets describing the proposed new regulations for the LCFS in detail.



The effect of the proposed CARB rules is this: If adopted in late April and fully promulgated by the Board, Midwestern corn ethanol will not be an attractive or suitable fuel for use in California, beginning as soon as the year 2011. The proposed new rules embody a method of calculating the GHG emissions released by corn ethanol (during its entire "life cycle," from crop production to milling to use) which determines that a gallon of corn ethanol emits MORE GHGs than a gallon of gasoline derived from petroleum, such as the product known as CA-RBOB, used as the baseline motor fuel in the regulations.


The problem is not just the potential loss of corn ethanol demand from California, which is in excess of 800 million gallons per year. According to the CARB staff report, a consortium of 13 other states is preparing to follow the same procedures as California. These states include the populous states of the northeastern US, and perhaps Minnesota. It is possible that the CARB approach could be adopted nationally—approved by the President, his EPA, and Congress
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Too bad they can't figure out how to use manure as a fuel source. Then you all would be in manure manufactoring heaven.
 
http://www.highlandbeef.com/

Sounds like it's working pretty good here. I talked with Bernie-the owner-about it one time I guess they're using technology they found over in Europe. They had to modify somewhat to deal with Western Canadian conditions.
 
nortexsook said:
not so good for Corn growers. (Is it just me or have they gotten just a tad snotty over the last few years) (funny that they may be hung by their own green rope)

>>Over the past few years, the legislature of the State of California has passed into law a series of Acts to combat Global Warming—one aspect of which is to reduce the State's own Greenhouse Gas (GHG) emissions by 10 percent by the year 2020.



Within the state, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) is responsible for developing regulations to implement these enacted legislative goals. A new "Low Carbon Fuel Standard" (LCFS) is part of the planned regulatory structure, and on March 5, 2009, the staff of CARB released a set of documents and spreadsheets describing the proposed new regulations for the LCFS in detail.



The effect of the proposed CARB rules is this: If adopted in late April and fully promulgated by the Board, Midwestern corn ethanol will not be an attractive or suitable fuel for use in California, beginning as soon as the year 2011. The proposed new rules embody a method of calculating the GHG emissions released by corn ethanol (during its entire "life cycle," from crop production to milling to use) which determines that a gallon of corn ethanol emits MORE GHGs than a gallon of gasoline derived from petroleum, such as the product known as CA-RBOB, used as the baseline motor fuel in the regulations.


The problem is not just the potential loss of corn ethanol demand from California, which is in excess of 800 million gallons per year. According to the CARB staff report, a consortium of 13 other states is preparing to follow the same procedures as California. These states include the populous states of the northeastern US, and perhaps Minnesota. It is possible that the CARB approach could be adopted nationally—approved by the President, his EPA, and Congress
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and by not adding an oxygenate, they will be in violation of the clean air act...

the reason California switched to ethanol from MTBE is the overwhelming problem with ground water pollution MTBE caused in the drinking water supply..

given three choices, carbon monoxide air pollution, MTBE water pollution or global warming co2 gas that is naturally occurring,.. they say they are all our bad... so in effect they are cutting their nose off to spite their face..
 
I find it amazing that cattlemen will find joy in someone elses misfortune. The Beef industry's biggest hurdle right now is demand not the price of corn. Sounds like someone else is jealous a corngrower made buck last year.
 
I am not really happy or sad about the fortunes / plight of the corn grower.

I just think that ethanol was a boondoggle from the beginning.
 
Nortexsook: ethanol is not a boondogle as you have asserted. It is one of many ways we are going to have use to produce enough energy to run our country. Will it solve all of our energy problems? Absolutley not, but it is a heck of a lot better than importing all of our needs from the American haters in the middleeast. Ethanol has/is been blamed for everything from the rising cost of bread to Obama being President. None of which have a shred of significant truth.
 
I like the IDEA of ethanol production.....but the politics and government money have fouled it up, IMO. A true market driven effort would be solving hte problems of transport, cost effectiveness, and especially loss of mileage along the way instead of growing too fast at too great a cost.

We MUST take advantage of our huge reserves of fuels available and already being used successfully in the USA, build and upgrade more refineries and pipelines, while encouraging development of wind, solar, and other alternatives AS THE MARKETS warrant.

The real problem, IMO, is that those who do not like the fact that oil and coal have been the traditional fuel that built our nation into the great success it has been are in power now.

They are working to build their own new 'green' based 'money factories' with government money instead of their own savings since they have ascended to the 'ruling class'. Just follow the money on these schemes to change over to new 'green' fuels.....many of which leave too much to imagination and speculation re. just how 'green' they truly are.

mrj
 
The technology is moving so fast, that pretty soon it'll be made from other biomass like grasses, poplar trees, wood chips, corn stalks or straw anyway. Which is better from a food supply point of view. Better to use a renewable non edible source if it's available.

I've always thought there is something fundamentally wrong with the picture of putting food into the gas tank of a car..... unless it's diesel made from french fry oil, in which case we get emissions that smell delicious. :wink: :P
 
The giant problem with the people pushing renewable energy down everyones throat is the fact that they don't think logically! Power generated by hydroelectric plants (Dams) are the cleanest source of power on the planet. But enviromentalists want them removed throughout the west to help endangered fish recover. With the vast amount of clean coal available it may make sense use it more instead of buying oil from our enemys. But Al Gore has them all crying wolf! We can't drill hardly anywhere! We won't develope the oil shale deposits! Everytime a windfarm is discussed around here people scream about migrating birds and messing up the view! Nuclear isn't even a remote possibility to most! So we continue to tread water! I am all for clean energy! But try pulling a trailer full of cows with a PRIUS! Try hauling grain to market on mass transit! Try plugging in your electric tractor! Try irrigating without Lake Powell! These folks in charge want us to all snap our fingers and suddenly pollution is gone! But it will take atleast a decade to even make a dent. Why not use OUR OWN RESOURCES UNTIL THEN? Because it makes too much sense for the wingnut radicals to understand it! :roll:
 
leanin' H said:
The giant problem with the people pushing renewable energy down everyones throat is the fact that they don't think logically! Power generated by hydroelectric plants (Dams) are the cleanest source of power on the planet. But enviromentalists want them removed throughout the west to help endangered fish recover. With the vast amount of clean coal available it may make sense use it more instead of buying oil from our enemys. But Al Gore has them all crying wolf! We can't drill hardly anywhere! We won't develope the oil shale deposits! Everytime a windfarm is discussed around here people scream about migrating birds and messing up the view! Nuclear isn't even a remote possibility to most! So we continue to tread water! I am all for clean energy! But try pulling a trailer full of cows with a PRIUS! Try hauling grain to market on mass transit! Try plugging in your electric tractor! Try irrigating without Lake Powell! These folks in charge want us to all snap our fingers and suddenly pollution is gone! But it will take atleast a decade to even make a dent. Why not use OUR OWN RESOURCES UNTIL THEN? Because it makes too much sense for the wingnut radicals to understand it! :roll:
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Good summary H, mrj is on point too IMO :D. Yep, I got to sit in a meeting most of the day regarding this topic. It is going to take all sources of energy to meet our needs. The transmission people are chomping at the bit to get something built, and may soon have federal assistance in permitting projects since it's lengthy trying to satisfy each and every county/state requirement along a proposed route. I think it will be good to get the ball rolling on updated transmission/adding new energy sources, but worry about landowners and property rights who may be steamrolled in the process of obtaining "progress" FWIW.
 
I haven't met a rancher yet that wasn't extremely innovative. I think this group should put their imaginations together and come up with a solution to our energy needs. If we could figure out a way to take something that is a problem to society, like trash in landfills, and turn that into some type of fuel, then we would have the world by the horns. In the metropolitan areas they produce so much trash they don't know what to do with it. If we could use it for a fuel source, without messing up the ozone layer, then we have the two birds solution.

Oh, and I like the solution Highlander is using to power their feedlot. I figured there had to be some good in that stuff other than making grass grow. Feedlots are a prime local for this type of technology.

Remember that study they did years ago about how much methane gas a cow produced? Maybe we just need to set up a methane milking process to pull methane out of bovines, capture it in a tank and sell it.

Anyway, get on with the brain storming.
 
Patriotic retirement:

There's about 40 million American people over 50 in the work force; pay them $2 million apiece severance with three stipulations:

1)They leave their jobs. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.

2) They buy NEW American cars. Forty million cars ordered - Auto Industry fixed.

3) They either buy a house or pay off their mortgage- Housing Crisis fixed.

All National financial problems fixed for a mere $80 million, not $3 trillion.




p.s don't you just hate it when it doesn't include you young people (hehehehe)
 

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