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farmguy how dose the Government lease out unfenced in holding of 40 to 160 acre in 1000 acre pasture , also with no access?
Or lease out checkerboard where hundreds of thousand of acres with migratory cow and sheep out fits moving stock every day living out of a camp, the corners are marked for private and BLM most all the water if they are not hauling it is on private land, How dose the government lease to some one else. They actually have the deal as the rancher or his help is daily out on private and Government land taking care of it. Just can't see when the base property in intermingles and unfenced how the permit could even go to someone else.
It kind of like you renting a house but the people renting actually own the bathroom. You would have a hard time renting the hose to some one else if they didn't want to rent the bathroom out too.Notowning the bathroom can you then rent the house for the going rate?
BLM also has outfitters, hunters ,camper, oil- gas rigs, mines, rock hounds , hikes all useing the samr ground so should it be leased ot the same as private next to it that dosn't have these same uses?
 
Renters paying for improvements is not an unusual concept.

I don't see that. The landowner furnishes the well and upkeep on the well most of the time. The landowner pays for fence material and the tenant will furnish the labor. I see the landowner paying for varmit control(prairie dog etc.) often and for invasive perenial weed control. These are just a few of the responsibilities of landowners around here.
Most of the time the renter has complete control of who enter the property and maintains hunting control.
 
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/grazing.html

Fact Sheet on the BLM's Management of Livestock Grazing
Grazing on Public Lands
The Bureau of Land Management, which administers about 245 million acres of public lands, manages livestock grazing on 157 million acres of those lands, as guided by Federal law. The terms and conditions for grazing on BLM-managed lands (such as stipulations on forage use and season of use) are set forth in the permits and leases issued by the Bureau to public land ranchers.

The BLM administers nearly 18,000 permits and leases held by ranchers who graze their livestock, mostly cattle and sheep, at least part of the year on more than 21,000 allotments under BLM management. Permits and leases generally cover a 10-year period and are renewable if the BLM determines that the terms and conditions of the expiring permit or lease are being met. The amount of grazing that takes place each year on BLM-managed lands can be affected by such factors as drought, wildfire, and market conditions.



The BLM administers nearly 18,000 permits held by ranchers who graze livestock on public lands.
In managing livestock grazing on public rangelands, the BLM's overall objective is to ensure the long-term health and productivity of these lands and to create multiple environmental benefits that result from healthy watersheds. The Bureau administers public land ranching in accordance with the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, and in so doing provides livestock-based economic opportunities in rural communities while contributing to the West's, and America's, social fabric and identity. Together, public lands and the adjacent private ranches maintain open spaces in the fast-growing West, provide habitat for wildlife, offer a myriad of recreational opportunities for public land users, and help preserve the character of the rural West.
A Brief History of Public Lands Grazing
During the era of homesteading, Western public rangelands were often overgrazed because of policies designed to promote the settlement of the West and a lack of understanding of these arid ecosystems. In response to requests from Western ranchers, Congress passed the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 (named after Rep. Edward Taylor of Colorado), which led to the creation of grazing districts in which grazing use was apportioned and regulated. Under the Taylor Grazing Act, the first grazing district to be established was Wyoming Grazing District Number 1 on March 23, 1935. Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes created a Division of Grazing within the Department to administer the grazing districts; this division later became the U.S. Grazing Service and was headquartered in Salt Lake City. In 1946, as a result of a government reorganization by the Truman Administration, the Grazing Service was merged with the General Land Office to become the Bureau of Land Management.





The unregulated grazing that took place before enactment of the Taylor Grazing Act caused unintended damage to soil, plants, streams, and springs. As a result, grazing management was initially designed to increase productivity and reduce soil erosion by controlling grazing through both fencing and water projects and by conducting forage surveys to balance forage demands with the land's productivity ("carrying capacity").

These initial improvements in livestock management, which arrested the degradation of public rangelands while improving watersheds, were appropriate for the times. But by the 1960s and 1970s, public appreciation for public lands and expectations for their management rose to a new level, as made clear by congressional passage of such laws as the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976. Consequently, the BLM moved from managing grazing in general to better management or protection of specific rangeland resources, such as riparian areas, threatened and endangered species, sensitive plant species, and cultural or historical objects. Consistent with this enhanced role, the Bureau developed or modified the terms and conditions of grazing permits and leases and implemented new range improvement projects to address these specific resource issues, promoting continued improvement of public rangeland conditions.

Current Management of Public Lands Grazing


The BLM monitors grazing areas using standards and guidelines for rangeland health.
Today the BLM manages livestock grazing in a manner aimed at achieving and maintaining public land health. To achieve desired conditions, the agency uses rangeland health standards and guidelines, which the BLM developed in the 1990s with input from citizen-based Resource Advisory Councils across the West. Standards describe specific conditions needed for public land health, such as the presence of streambank vegetation and adequate canopy and ground cover. Guidelines are the management techniques designed to achieve or maintain healthy public lands, as defined by the standards. These techniques include such methods as seed dissemination and periodic rest or deferment from grazing in specific allotments during critical growth periods.

Legal Mandates relating to Public Lands Grazing
Laws that apply to the BLM's management of public lands grazing include the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978.
Federal Grazing Fee
The Federal grazing fee, which applies to Federal lands in 16 Western states on public lands managed by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service, is adjusted annually and is calculated by using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. Under this formula, as modified and extended by a presidential Executive Order issued in 1986, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM); also, any fee increase or decrease cannot exceed 25 percent of the previous year's level. (An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2011 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2010.

The Federal grazing fee is computed by using a 1966 base value of $1.23 per AUM for livestock grazing on public lands in Western states. The figure is then adjusted each year according to three factors – current private grazing land lease rates, beef cattle prices, and the cost of livestock production. In effect, the fee rises, falls, or stays the same based on market conditions, with livestock operators paying more when conditions are better and less when conditions have declined.Number of Livestock on BLM-managed Lands


Authorized grazing on public lands has declined in recent years.
The Bureau does not make an annual national "count" of the livestock that graze on BLM-managed lands because the actual number of livestock grazing on public lands on any single day varies throughout the year and livestock are often moved from one grazing allotment to another. So an aggregate head count would provide very little information on overall livestock use. Instead, the BLM compiles information on the number of AUMs used each year, which takes into account both the number of livestock and the amount of time they spend on public lands. (For the definition of an AUM, see previous section.) Over time there has been a gradual decrease in the amount of grazing that takes place on BLM-managed land, and that trend continues today. Grazing use on public lands has declined from 18.2 million AUMs in 1954 to 8.2 million AUMs in 2010. In most years, the actual use of forage is less than the amount authorized because forage amounts and demands depend on several factors, such as drought, wildfire, and market conditions, as noted earlier regarding annual public land grazing levels.
Grazing Permit System
Any U.S. citizen or validly licensed business can apply for a BLM grazing permit or lease. To do so, one must either:

buy or control private property (known as "base property") that has been legally recognized by the Bureau as having preference for the use of public land grazing privileges,
or acquire property that has the capability to serve as base property and then apply to the BLM to transfer the preference for grazing privileges from an existing base property to the acquired property (which would become the new "base property").
The first alternative happens when base property (a private ranch) is sold or leased to a new individual or business; the buyer or lessee then applies to the BLM for the use of grazing privileges associated with that property. The second alternative would happen when a rancher wants to transfer existing public land grazing privileges to another party while keeping the private ranch property. Before buying or leasing ranch property, it is advisable to contact the BLM Field Office that administers grazing in the area of the base property. The BLM has information on the status of the grazing privileges attached to the base property, including the terms and conditions of the associated grazing permit or lease that authorizes the use of those privileges and other important information. All applicants for grazing permits or leases must meet the qualifications for public land grazing privileges that are specified in the BLM's grazing regulations.
The Role of Livestock Grazing on Public Lands Today
Grazing, which was one of the earliest uses of public lands when the West was settled, continues to be an important use of those same lands today. Livestock grazing now competes with more uses than it did in the past, as other industries and the general public look to the public lands as sources of both conventional and renewable energy and as places for outdoor recreational opportunities, including off-highway vehicle use. Among the key issues that face public land managers today are global climate change, severe wildfires, invasive plant species, and dramatic population increases, including the associated rural residential development that is occurring throughout the West.

Livestock grazing can result in impacts on public land resources, but well-managed grazing provides numerous environmental benefits as well. For example, while livestock grazing can lead to increases in some invasive species, well-managed grazing can be used to manage vegetation. Intensively managed "targeted" grazing can control some invasive plant species or reduce the fuels that contribute to severe wildfires. Besides providing such traditional products as meat and fiber, well-managed rangelands and other private ranch lands support healthy watersheds, carbon sequestration, recreational opportunities, and wildlife habitat. Livestock grazing on public lands helps maintain the private ranches that, in turn, preserve the open spaces that have helped write the West's history and will continue to shape this region's character in the years to come
 
jodywy said:
Faster horses said:
farmguy, I will bet you have never seen BLM land in the west.
Come out, and we'll show you some. That might change your mind.
like many ranches have problems with farmers getting DCP and CRP

A lot of farmers have a problem as well. There is so much land that has been tied up around here in CRP that should be used for grazing. Farming- no.

It is way to easy for someone to buy land for hunting purposes, throw it in CRP and walk away. No work and yet paid. It is a total waste of land and waste of tax money.

I'm glad to see some of it opening back up.
 
Thank you Lonecowboy, this is from your BLM sheet.

(An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2011 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2010.

The Federal grazing fee is computed by using a 1966 base value of $1.23 per AUM for livestock grazing on public lands in Western states. The figure is then adjusted each year according to three factors – current private grazing land lease rates, beef cattle prices, and the cost of livestock production. In effect, the fee rises, falls, or stays the same based on market conditions, with livestock operators paying more when conditions are better and less when conditions have declined.

What happened to the adjustment? What more can I say. Farmguy
 
farmguy said:
Thank you Lonecowboy, this is from your BLM sheet.

(An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2011 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2010.

The Federal grazing fee is computed by using a 1966 base value of $1.23 per AUM for livestock grazing on public lands in Western states. The figure is then adjusted each year according to three factors – current private grazing land lease rates, beef cattle prices, and the cost of livestock production. In effect, the fee rises, falls, or stays the same based on market conditions, with livestock operators paying more when conditions are better and less when conditions have declined.

What happened to the adjustment? What more can I say. Farmguy
$4 fuel, $200 hay, trucking usually doubles on a drit road to $8-$10/mile
 
Farmguy-

$1.35 X12 months= $16.20 AU / year.

sellin $1000.00 calves how come everyone isn't rushin out to buy these if that is the actual cost? Why a guy would be a fool not to own a ranch with a permit. the bigger the permit the better right?

Why aren't you out buyin one yourself if it is such a screamin great deal?

Maybe since your main comcern is the federal govt. being broke you could come up with ways to reduce spending instead of raising revenue?

Maybe start by laying off all those blm/ forest service employee's?
$16.20 AU/year isn't worth tracking is it? just put cowmen on the honor system, let them self regulate.
 
Lonecowboy said:
Farmguy-

$1.35 X12 months= $16.20 AU / year.

sellin $1000.00 calves how come everyone isn't rushin out to buy these if that is the actual cost? Why a guy would be a fool not to own a ranch with a permit. the bigger the permit the better right?

Why aren't you out buyin one yourself if it is such a screamin great deal?

Maybe since your main comcern is the federal govt. being broke you could come up with ways to reduce spending instead of raising revenue?

Maybe start by laying off all those blm/ forest service employee's?
$16.20 AU/year isn't worth tracking is it? just put cowmen on the honor system, let them self regulate.

Yea they could eliminate the CRP payment on land that is enrolled but not highly erodible.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Lonecowboy said:
Farmguy-

$1.35 X12 months= $16.20 AU / year.

sellin $1000.00 calves how come everyone isn't rushin out to buy these if that is the actual cost? Why a guy would be a fool not to own a ranch with a permit. the bigger the permit the better right?

Why aren't you out buyin one yourself if it is such a screamin great deal?

Maybe since your main comcern is the federal govt. being broke you could come up with ways to reduce spending instead of raising revenue?

Maybe start by laying off all those blm/ forest service employee's?
$16.20 AU/year isn't worth tracking is it? just put cowmen on the honor system, let them self regulate.

Yea they could eliminate the CRP payment on land that is enrolled but not highly erodible.

Hey you are on to something Big Muddy!
BLM is government managed grass
CRP is government managed grass
maybe they will pay us $35.00 and acre for CRP and then lease it back to us for $16.20 A.U./year? :shock:

I shouldn't even post this some government guy watching this website will turn it into his superiors who will think it's a grat plan to but votes with in the next election.
 
$200.00 Hay? Check with OT. He can get you all the $50.00 hay you could ever use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Mike said:
$200.00 Hay? Check with OT. He can get you all the $50.00 hay you could ever use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The ads in the Trader this week are asking $65-- but that isn't saying what they are taking if you offered it to them as they know next year it will have to be sold as year old hay that this year sold for as cheap as $40 T...The 50/70 degree temps we've been having haven't burned up much hay.....

But you could get it even cheaper 50 miles north:

http://saskatchewan.kijiji.ca/f-hay-for-sale-Classifieds-W0QQKeywordZhayQ20forQ20sale
 
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
$200.00 Hay? Check with OT. He can get you all the $50.00 hay you could ever use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The ads in the Trader this week are asking $65-- but that isn't saying what they are taking if you offered it to them as they know next year it will have to be sold as year old hay that this year sold for as cheap as $40 T...The 50/70 degree temps we've been having haven't burned up much hay.....

But you could get it even cheaper 50 miles north:

http://saskatchewan.kijiji.ca/f-hay-for-sale-Classifieds-W0QQKeywordZhayQ20forQ20sale

I thought your obama had things lookin all rosey in agriculture oldtimer- how can you make hay with $4.00 fuel and sell it for $40.00 a ton and make a profit? Post one of those $40.00 a ton ads for me, I live close by.
I sure can't find them around here!
 
Lonecowboy said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Lonecowboy said:
Farmguy-

$1.35 X12 months= $16.20 AU / year.

sellin $1000.00 calves how come everyone isn't rushin out to buy these if that is the actual cost? Why a guy would be a fool not to own a ranch with a permit. the bigger the permit the better right?

Why aren't you out buyin one yourself if it is such a screamin great deal?

Maybe since your main comcern is the federal govt. being broke you could come up with ways to reduce spending instead of raising revenue?

Maybe start by laying off all those blm/ forest service employee's?
$16.20 AU/year isn't worth tracking is it? just put cowmen on the honor system, let them self regulate.

Yea they could eliminate the CRP payment on land that is enrolled but not highly erodible.

Hey you are on to something Big Muddy!
BLM is government managed grass
CRP is government managed grass
maybe they will pay us $35.00 and acre for CRP and then lease it back to us for $16.20 A.U./year? :shock:

I shouldn't even post this some government guy watching this website will turn it into his superiors who will think it's a grat plan to but votes with in the next election.

What really bothered me with the CRP was I knew of farmers in Sheridan County Mt that enroll farms with pretty decent land in CRP and went to South Dakota and central MT and bought ranches and broke up native grass to farm. :roll: :mad:
 
So many of you here despise ANY government interaction and want less government in your life......THEN why do you not practice what you preach and quit using/leasing gov't /Federal land?


Put your actions where your mouth is...................
 
jingo2 said:
So many of you here despise ANY government interaction and want less government in your life......THEN why do you not practice what you preach and quit using/leasing gov't /Federal land?


Put your actions where your mouth is...................

when you have a irrigated base land deeded and the Federal Government owns 70% of the land around you most places can only run economical numbers with permits to graze. Or Develope and and do away with alot of the widlifes winter range
 
jingo2 said:
So many of you here despise ANY government interaction and want less government in your life......THEN why do you not practice what you preach and quit using/leasing gov't /Federal land?


Put your actions where your mouth is...................
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I can tell you are not a rancher. Here it may lay right in the middle of your ranch. So who is going to fence it off? By law you fence cattle off your place and they darn sure will not fence it. Plus they will grip about the fence messing with the movement of wild life. I think most ranchers would buy it if they would sell it.
 
ranch hand said:
jingo2 said:
So many of you here despise ANY government interaction and want less government in your life......THEN why do you not practice what you preach and quit using/leasing gov't /Federal land?


Put your actions where your mouth is...................
.
I can tell you are not a rancher. Here it may lay right in the middle of your ranch. So who is going to fence it off? By law you fence cattle off your place and they darn sure will not fence it. Plus they will grip about the fence messing with the movement of wild life. I think most ranchers would buy it if they would sell it.
:clap:
 
One time I looked at a government lease. I think it must be a little different than yours though.
I would have to pay the lease for grazing.
Yet it was still open for hunting.
The grazing period was very limited.
I would have to put up a fence that had to be left inplace.
I would have to drill a well or haul water.
Then after five years it was back to square one

Probably the most expensive grazing I ever saw. No way
 
I have been a rancher all my life.You can bitch and complain all you want about how tough it is leasing from the government but leasing from a private owner is no walk in the park and its dam sure not cheap.
 
jodywy said:
jingo2 said:
So many of you here despise ANY government interaction and want less government in your life......THEN why do you not practice what you preach and quit using/leasing gov't /Federal land?


Put your actions where your mouth is...................

when you have a irrigated base land deeded and the Federal Government owns 70% of the land around you most places can only run economical numbers with permits to graze. Or Develope and and do away with alot of the widlifes winter range



So for you to make money you have to take advantage of the PUBLIC lands to make your living....

So, it's OK to take advantage of Fed programs IF...IF...IF it benefits YOU!!
 

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