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Why would someone want to work and lose all the free stuff? Oldtimer and the liberals are going to have the nation so dependent on free stuff the working class is going to shrink. Then who will pay for Oldtimer's grandkids to get insurance, welfare and free stuff?
 
Oldtimer said:
Does Canadian insurance cover any dental ?... A lot of U.S. plans don't- and require you to take a dental supplemental... That will now change under the ACA- with the biggest benefit being for young folks...

emergency dental, maybe...and that is one of the reasons US insurance was more expensive in the US, than Canada's.

We have corporate/company plans and supplemental that cover a % of dental. But when comparing costs of insurance (US vs. Canada), pre obamacare, those with costs in the US were included, but Canada's supplemental costs were not. Making the US appear to be paying more, for the same coverage.

Feel duped yet?

Here's a question for you, OT?

What was the average cost increase in Canada per annum, of all medical expenses, for the last 10 years? Is it, the % increase, comparable to the US?

If only you had obamacare, eh?


any ideas why Canada's costs were increasing at a comparable rate as the US'?
 
Yeah, what kind of person would want an innocent child to get free dental care???? We should just add more $ to farm subsidies and forget about the health of the children.
 
TSR said:
Yeah, what kind of person would want an innocent child to get free dental care???? We should just add more $ to farm subsidies and forget about the health of the children.

that's your first problem...you think it's "free".

Maybe with farm subsidies, a farmer will be able to afford to pay for his kids' dental care, and you get subsidized food, so you can afford your kids dental care, and your children get subsidized healthy food, so they can stay healthy?

You're not really that bright, are you?
 
littlejoe said:
hypocritexposer said:
Have you figured out yet, whether Canadian women have to pay for birth control, or not?

Have you figured out the purpose of Canadian company health care plans, or Canadian Blue Cross?

Why not ask Tam, or any other Canadian, how well our government paid for Health insurance, covers dental expenses, or medications.

You don't know squat...I have to wonder, why do your "all inclusive" plans cost more than Canada's, but I don't have to wonder long... :roll:

Canadian health care it the best in the whirld and is totally free! Everybody smarter than a chicken knows this!! WTF is wrong with hippo and ground loopy not to know this??!! They call it dope for a reason, morons!

Geez I'm guessing we are listening to our media and not the likes of you Pee Wee :roll:

Top dollar for bargain health care in Canada

Canadians, having just paid their taxes, may take some solace that some of that money goes to funding a world-class healthcare system. Unfortunately, Canadians are not receiving the same sort of value that their counterparts in other nations are when it comes to universally accessible health care. This despite the fact some 68% of personal income taxes paid in aggregate are required to cover the cost of health care in this country. Canadians spend much more for their health care, and receive lower quality care than other countries with universal-access systems.

First, the cost: Canadians fund the developed world's most expensive universal-access health-insurance system. On an age-adjusted basis (older people require more care) in the most recent year for which comparable data are available, no nation spent more than Canada as a share of GDP on a similar system. The average comparable nation spent 21% less than we did on health care. Japan, the lowest spender, spent 46% less.

Now, performance. With that level of expenditure, you might expect that Canadians receive world-class access to health care. The evidence suggests otherwise.

Consider waiting lists. In 2012, the median wait time for treatment by a specialist was 17.7 weeks in Canada. Despite substantial spending increases over the past 15 or so years, that wait time was 49% longer than the overall median wait time of 11.9 weeks back in 1997. It was 91% longer than the overall median wait time of 9.3 weeks back in 1993.

Canada's waiting lists are also, according to the available evidence, among the longest in the developed world. For example, a 2010 Commonwealth Fund survey of individuals in 11 nations, 10 of whom maintain universal programs, found that Canadians were most likely to wait four months or more for elective surgery; were most likely to wait two months or more for a specialist appointment; were most likely to wait six days or more for access to a doctor or nurse when sick or needing care; and were most likely to wait four hours or more in the emergency room.


Among 27 developed nations who maintain universal systems, Canada ranked 23rd in the age-adjusted number of physicians per thousand population
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Meanwhile, several developed nations including Belgium, France, Germany, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Switzerland maintain universal systems that deliver access to health care in which wait times for care are not a problem.

Access to medical technologies is also relatively poor in Canada. In a comparison of age-adjusted inventories of medical technologies undertaken for international health system comparisons, Canada ranked 15th of 24 nations for whom data was available in MRI machines per million population, and 16th of 25 nations in CT scanners per million population.

Governmental restrictions on medical training, along with a number of other policies affecting the practices of medical practitioners, have also taken their toll on Canadians' access to care. Among 27 developed nations who maintain universal systems, Canada ranked 23rd in the age-adjusted number of physicians per thousand population.

While our taxes can and do pay for important and valuable services for all Canadians, we need to critically assess whether we are receiving full value for the dollars we are spending. In the case of health care, Canadians are paying for a world-class system but are not receiving one. Canadians must carefully consider the need for substantial reforms.

National Post

Canada ranked last among OECD countries in health care wait times
CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Monday, January 20, 2014 10:26AM EST
Last Updated Monday, January 20, 2014 4:41PM EST

Canada ranked last among 11 OECD countries in terms of how quick patients can get an appointment with their regular family doctor, according to a new report.

A 2013 health policy survey by the Commonwealth Fund showed that Canada has seen no improvements in wait times since 2004. The survey results were published Monday in a Health Council of Canada report, which found that depending on where you live in Canada, your experience with the health care system can be vastly different.

"This is about accessing your primary care providers and the issues we continue to have in this country in doing that," Dr. Mark Dobrow of the Health Council of Canada told CTV News Channel.

"We see that we are by far the country that waits the longest for emergency departments and that's a direct relationship to the fact that we don't have good access to our primary care providers at different times of the day," he said.

According to the report, British Columbia fared the best in terms of the number of patients able to access physician care, with 46 per cent saying they were able to see a doctor on the same day or the next day, while Newfoundland ranked the lowest with 31 per cent.

Dabrow said those figures are bleak compared to international standards.

"Even though British Columbia is the highest performing province, when you look internationally, they'd still be last when we look at the other countries," he said.

Germany took the top stop on the list with 76 per cent of patients being able to see their doctors same-day or next-day, followed by New Zealand at 72 per cent and Switzerland at 69 per cent.

The U.S. ranked second last in the same category, with 48 per cent of those polled south of the border saying they could get a same-day or next-day appointment.

Nearly half of Canadians (47 per cent) reported that they recently went to an emergency department for a health problem that their regular doctor could have treated if he or she had been available -- the highest among the countries surveyed.

Up to 15% of Canadians don't have a family doctor

Emergency room wait times is another area where Canada is ranked last, with 26 per cent reporting that they've waited four hours or more to be seen in the emergency department. The Netherlands ranked first on the list, with only one per cent having waited more than four hours in an ER.

The report also noted that depending on the province, between three and 15 per cent of Canadians do not have a regular doctor or clinic.

Dr. Louis Hugo Francescutti, president of the Canadian Medical Association, says several different factors have contributed to the increase in patient wait times across Canada.

"We don't have a national strategy on how to best meet the needs of patients and so it's not just the shortage of physicians, it's a shortage of other health care providers," he told CTV News.

He says both the federal and provincial governments need to formulate a plan to provide coordinated health care across the country.

"Other countries have addressed the issue by creating a national intelligence centre that would try and plan according to the needs of the population and we don't have that, so unfortunately we have pretty well 13 different territories trying to go at it by themselves," he said.

Francescutti notes that even though recent studies suggest that there seems to be a surplus of physicians in the country, nearly 5 million Canadians still don't have access to primary health care services.

He says many of these patients end up in crowded hospital emergency rooms, adding further pressure to a drained health care system.

"As an emergency physician, I can tell you that a lot of patients are embarrassed to be there, but they say, 'I have no other place to go because I don't have a family physician' or 'My family physician's office is closed,'" he explained.

Francescutti says Canada can certainly do better and points to countries such as Germany and Switzerland that have superior electronic medical records that keep track of appointments and streamline the system.

But it wasn't all bad news in the latest Health Council of Canada bulletin.

The organization found that 42 per cent of Canadians agree that on the whole, their health care system works fairly well and only minor changes are needed, while in 2004, only 22 per cent felt the same way.

More than 60 per cent of Canadians also rate their health as very good or excellent.

Other findings include:
Accessing medical care after hours without going to an emergency room is difficult for 62 per cent of Canadians
Between two and 20 per cent of Canadian women have never had a Pap test, and up to 34 per cent of women have never been screened for breast cancer
61 per cent of Canadians do not get reminders when they are due for preventive care; the rate has gone unchanged since 2004
20 per cent of Canadians hospitalized overnight left without written instructions about what they should do and what symptoms to watch for at home


The authors of the report say the "big message" to take home is the lack of progress in many areas of the health care system across Canada.

"Although Canadians have more confidence in the health care system, access to care has not substantially improved and patients are not reporting that their care is better integrated or more patient-centred," the authors conclude.

The report, titled "Where You Live Matters: Canadian views on health care quality," compared findings among the 11 OECD countries that took part in the survey between March and June 2013.


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/canada-ranked-last-among-oecd-countries-in-health-care-wait-times-1.1647061#ixzz2xneaItLf


Please remember this when Obama is telling US women, Obamacare is going to make sure they get the preventive care they so badly need. 20% of Canadian women never have a paps, 34% never have a Breast cancer screening, Canadian women pay for their own birth control and we rate last on wait times for most everything we need. But hey don't believe us believe the story Obama and Oldtimer are stuffing down your throats so Obama can sell his crap plan to take over the US healthcare system and provide you with everything FREE. :roll:
 

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