horse sales in wy. , mt. and the dakotas
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Northern Rancher
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It's a piece of orange baler twine that won't rip off in the bush lol.
Soapweed
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Northern Rancher said:
And if it does, you can still find it. :wink:
Soapweed
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RoperAB said:
That sounds like a Portland person with a sex change. :wink:
Northern Rancher
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Yeah it doesn't take too many 50 buck lariats getting ripped off in the woods to improvise lol.
the_jersey_lilly_2000
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The guys around here have their horns wrapped with strips of inner tube for better grip when they dally off. But they'll leave the last wrap a little looser and they use it to hold their rope. Thru the rope coil, and back over the horn.
DLJ
<<These horses are not all tiny by any means; like any other horse event, they range in size from small 14+ to 16 hands>>
I checked out some web sites of AB trainers in RCH looking for stallions or sale horses trying to find some links that gave the horses heights. None listed the size of the horses.
Honestly I have never seen a horse in the 15.2 -16hh range in the open or $5000 plus classes. Now I havnt gone to a show in a few years and I never actually measured any horses when I was there. But to the best of my judgement there wasnt anything there that was very big.
<<However, should they ever decide to make their horses into 'real ranch horses' the training is done, in fact they are far better trained than 99% of ranch horses, so it's a matter of introducing them to roping and such things to round out the training.>>
I sure dont agree with you there. The roping and "other stuff" is actually quite a bit. Plus just because a horse is straight up in the bridle doesnt mean he is "finished". A horses training is never really done. There is no end to it.
<<it's time to enter up and try catching a yearling down the fence!>>
Its all aged events. Your typical RCH pro trainer starts out with a big
string of colts. Starts them as young as long yearlings. The ones that cant mentaly or physicaly handle the training program get tossed a side and the string of horses keeps getting smaller and smaller but as long as he ends up with a few to win with it doesnt matter.
The Pros that show in these aged events are brutal! They have to be in order to compete against the other Pros that are doing the same thing. No they dont beat their horses but there training programs are intence for these young "baby"horses. The money is in the breeding, the Top horses only have to last until they are 5.
How many miles do you think are left in these horses after there short show careers? At the Canadian Supreme a few years ago I dont think there was a horse there over 7 years old in the open<unlimited age> class.
I lightly start mine at 3.5 years. Go harder but keep it sensible at 4 years. At 5 I have at them. I have two 5 year olds out back. Probable by the time they turn 7 I will have them in the two rein and probable by the time they turn 8.5years I will have them straight up in the bridle. But their training will not be finished at that age and they will have a lot of miles still left in them and I wont be injecting them with dope so I can get another show out of their worn out joints.
Im going to bed, goodnight
<<These horses are not all tiny by any means; like any other horse event, they range in size from small 14+ to 16 hands>>
I checked out some web sites of AB trainers in RCH looking for stallions or sale horses trying to find some links that gave the horses heights. None listed the size of the horses.
Honestly I have never seen a horse in the 15.2 -16hh range in the open or $5000 plus classes. Now I havnt gone to a show in a few years and I never actually measured any horses when I was there. But to the best of my judgement there wasnt anything there that was very big.
<<However, should they ever decide to make their horses into 'real ranch horses' the training is done, in fact they are far better trained than 99% of ranch horses, so it's a matter of introducing them to roping and such things to round out the training.>>
I sure dont agree with you there. The roping and "other stuff" is actually quite a bit. Plus just because a horse is straight up in the bridle doesnt mean he is "finished". A horses training is never really done. There is no end to it.
<<it's time to enter up and try catching a yearling down the fence!>>
Its all aged events. Your typical RCH pro trainer starts out with a big
string of colts. Starts them as young as long yearlings. The ones that cant mentaly or physicaly handle the training program get tossed a side and the string of horses keeps getting smaller and smaller but as long as he ends up with a few to win with it doesnt matter.
The Pros that show in these aged events are brutal! They have to be in order to compete against the other Pros that are doing the same thing. No they dont beat their horses but there training programs are intence for these young "baby"horses. The money is in the breeding, the Top horses only have to last until they are 5.
How many miles do you think are left in these horses after there short show careers? At the Canadian Supreme a few years ago I dont think there was a horse there over 7 years old in the open<unlimited age> class.
I lightly start mine at 3.5 years. Go harder but keep it sensible at 4 years. At 5 I have at them. I have two 5 year olds out back. Probable by the time they turn 7 I will have them in the two rein and probable by the time they turn 8.5years I will have them straight up in the bridle. But their training will not be finished at that age and they will have a lot of miles still left in them and I wont be injecting them with dope so I can get another show out of their worn out joints.
Im going to bed, goodnight
EastTexasGal
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My personal oppinion is horses like riders are always learning.
Here is a sale we get a lot of you northerners at...lol.
www.havardsales.com
They have what they call ranch gelding sale...lol yes I know that working in a pen aint working open pastures. But, there are a few decent ones come through..and like someone said earlier. If you earn a good reputation with the auctioneer and the sales staff...you will sell your horses higher.
We use to haul to Shawnee, OK....love the sale..but buyer always beware. WE did well because the owner knew what we had and when we came in she made sure that we had good stalls and numbers. Our horses were what they were advertised to be and nothing less. People always came looking for us to see what we brought with us. I worked for a lawyer here and I hauled and did the fitting and riding for him. As time went my sons both would ride and I would just fit them.
Best friend now hauls to Ruidosa Ranch Horse sale every spring...she gets a good $$ there. She hauls yearlings. Same outfit the last 3 years has been buying them. She normally takes 12 hd. lol then will come home with 5 riding horses to sell here.
Again she has earned her reputation here and everywhere she goes. She is now closing in on 70 and still doing it. She specializes in youth horses.
Hope everyone is having a warmer night.
Easty
Here is a sale we get a lot of you northerners at...lol.
www.havardsales.com
They have what they call ranch gelding sale...lol yes I know that working in a pen aint working open pastures. But, there are a few decent ones come through..and like someone said earlier. If you earn a good reputation with the auctioneer and the sales staff...you will sell your horses higher.
We use to haul to Shawnee, OK....love the sale..but buyer always beware. WE did well because the owner knew what we had and when we came in she made sure that we had good stalls and numbers. Our horses were what they were advertised to be and nothing less. People always came looking for us to see what we brought with us. I worked for a lawyer here and I hauled and did the fitting and riding for him. As time went my sons both would ride and I would just fit them.
Best friend now hauls to Ruidosa Ranch Horse sale every spring...she gets a good $$ there. She hauls yearlings. Same outfit the last 3 years has been buying them. She normally takes 12 hd. lol then will come home with 5 riding horses to sell here.
Again she has earned her reputation here and everywhere she goes. She is now closing in on 70 and still doing it. She specializes in youth horses.
Hope everyone is having a warmer night.
Easty
Jinglebob
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RoperAB said:Soapweed said:Jinglebob said:
That is exactly what I called it. Thanks, Jinglebob.
Its an Oregon Cross Over
There is one particular type of rope strap that is called that, but I refer to it as a crossover rope strap. I've seen lots of them that wasn't on saddles made in Oregon. :wink:
I've seen lots of ways to make and use a rope strap. I prefer the crossover as your not as apt to lose a rope, but they can be dangerous if you hang up to it.
Jinglebob
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RoperAB said:I lightly start mine at 3.5 years. Go harder but keep it sensible at 4 years. At 5 I have at them. I have two 5 year olds out back. Probable by the time they turn 7 I will have them in the two rein and probable by the time they turn 8.5years I will have them straight up in the bridle. But their training will not be finished at that age and they will have a lot of miles still left in them and I wont be injecting them with dope so I can get another show out of their worn out joints.
Im going to bed, goodnight
Amen!
I feel the same way.
If they aren't abused as a youngster, they will last a long time. Kind of like people. :wink:
You can do a lot with them young horses and get them real nice, on the ground, but I don't like to ride one hard until they are at least 5 years old. Their backs don't finish setting and growing until they are 7, I believe I read, by a respected authority.
Although, if you are in a breeding program, maybe you need to work them harder, younger, to cull the ones who won't take the gaff.
I like horses too much, to use one very hard ever, let alone when they are young and can be hurt, both mentally and physically. I think it stunts them, both in body and mind. Again, just like people.
I think I remember reading where they decided the reason so many of the kids these days are bigger, is because of better nutrition and less physically demanding work, than the past few generations did/had. I think horses are the same way.
Not to say, they can't be taught a lot and help them for when they are older. Again, just like people.
And I too think that training never stops. I want my 25 year old horse to be the best one in the bunch. He's had more time and training.
But you can get a lot done with a younger horse, if you go about it right.
Just like peole. 
And I ain't doin' the horse any favors, by comapring them to people. Unlike horses, I've found a few people I didn't really care to be around.
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I have a friend in NE who started riding, I mean really riding, a 3 yr old stud horse. The horse is a good looking horse and has what seems to be some good blood lines.
I told my friend that he was nuts to start riding the colt that young and working him like that. By the end of the day you could see the look of exhaustion in the stud's eyes. I'd say the guy weighs about 160 or so.
I was promptly told that I was from the East and didn't know squat about ' Western Ways', horses and yippe yi yo and all that jazz.
Well, some or most of that may be true but now I see by reading Roper's and JB's post that I was right after all!!
I told my friend that he was nuts to start riding the colt that young and working him like that. By the end of the day you could see the look of exhaustion in the stud's eyes. I'd say the guy weighs about 160 or so.
I was promptly told that I was from the East and didn't know squat about ' Western Ways', horses and yippe yi yo and all that jazz.
Well, some or most of that may be true but now I see by reading Roper's and JB's post that I was right after all!!
Curly
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I agree a horse should not be pushed hard until he is 5. I have a young Dun horse that I particularly like; I had him in extensive training at 3 years-- I will be interested to see how he holds up in the years to come. I am hopeful I didn't do to much.
We have a pretty good discussion going here, I would be interested what ya'll think about the foundation quarter horse bloodlines (the bulldog type breeding) and whether or not they are known to mature a bit later than the modern quarter horse bloodlines (modern quarter horses are really a mixture of quarter horse and thorough bred).
We have a pretty good discussion going here, I would be interested what ya'll think about the foundation quarter horse bloodlines (the bulldog type breeding) and whether or not they are known to mature a bit later than the modern quarter horse bloodlines (modern quarter horses are really a mixture of quarter horse and thorough bred).
Curly
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Any Montana folks know anything about the Dillon, Mt. horse sale they have for ranch horses in the spring of each year? I have heard good things about that sale...
L.E. Stevens
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Can't really comment on time frame, but from what I've seen of late is a move BACK to the foundation-style frame (in working stock). There seems to be more (sensible) folks looking for the bone structure & foot size that will hold up better than the lil footed, fine legged show type horses. I don't know if the arena horse folks think they have to have "fine" legs to work better, but I personally look for just the opposite in bone structure. Think theres an old saying "no feet, no horse"! (I imagine that includes the legs.)
Most of the good stock I have been fortunate enuff to ride has had good bone under them & minimal structural problems. I think that their longevity is due in part to the ability to carry their weight & the riders with the least amount of stress on the leg & foot.
I guess one final thought would be that I see a lotta money spent on fancy splint boots that "support" this , that & the other. So I would ask, is this kinda a admission that today's legs aint what they should be?
Curly
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In addition to the change in the modern quarter horses legs, they are also much taller (that's in large part to the thorough bred influence that has become so popular) the foundation quarter horses were generally 14'2 to 14'3. King and Leo, for example, were both 14'3 if I recall.
Jinglebob
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One guy who raises QH told me. "These people are crazy. It took us years to get rid of them squatty little chunks and now they want to bring them back!"
I don't know if I agree with him.
I've riddeen a 14.2 who would pack a 200 pound man and a saddle all day bette than a lot of the bigger ones.
There are small horses who are handy and smooth to ride and tall horses the same.
Good and bad in both. I think it depends on the individual horse. A good horse can come in any size, color, or pedigree.
If I was ridin' in big rough country where I had to cover lots of miles, I'd prefer a bigger, longger legged horse. But around here, I usually don't have to make that big of a circle.
I want one around 15 to 15.2 who weighs 1100 to 1200 pounds and has some refinement and a good back. My favorite right now is 15.2 to 15.3 aqnd it's kind of hard for an old, short, fat man to get his foot in the stirrup. :wink:
Good thing I train them all to step up alongside of you when you crawl up onto something. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Gentle, short and smooth has really gotten to be my favorite, anymore. :wink:
As for speed, I never seen a horse yet that I couldn't catch a cow on.....eventually. :lol:
If you do it right, hell, you don't hardly ever have to get out of a trot. Right, FH?
I don't know if I agree with him.
I've riddeen a 14.2 who would pack a 200 pound man and a saddle all day bette than a lot of the bigger ones.
There are small horses who are handy and smooth to ride and tall horses the same.
Good and bad in both. I think it depends on the individual horse. A good horse can come in any size, color, or pedigree.
If I was ridin' in big rough country where I had to cover lots of miles, I'd prefer a bigger, longger legged horse. But around here, I usually don't have to make that big of a circle.
I want one around 15 to 15.2 who weighs 1100 to 1200 pounds and has some refinement and a good back. My favorite right now is 15.2 to 15.3 aqnd it's kind of hard for an old, short, fat man to get his foot in the stirrup. :wink:
Good thing I train them all to step up alongside of you when you crawl up onto something. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Gentle, short and smooth has really gotten to be my favorite, anymore. :wink:
As for speed, I never seen a horse yet that I couldn't catch a cow on.....eventually. :lol:
If you do it right, hell, you don't hardly ever have to get out of a trot. Right, FH?
Faster horses
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Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy, RIGHT ON!!!!
When we moved to Montana in 1975 we had the biggest
horses and the smallest cows.
Now 15-2 would be the tallest we would buy.
Jinglebob saw our old Flinch horse the other day when
he was here. That horse stands 16-1 and he always weighed
1435 in prime shape. He was like riding glass, so very smooth,
always used his rear end to turn! Everyone that rode him
said he was a cadillac ride.
But most big horses aren't that smooth. When you get a
big, athletic horse, WOW, you have really got something.
But we'll never have one again. They are just too tall.
And Jinglebob, getting them horses to step over to the
fence is a great trick. Way to goooooooooo!! WOOOO HOOOOOO! :wink:
It's so nice when they do that!
When we moved to Montana in 1975 we had the biggest
horses and the smallest cows.
Now 15-2 would be the tallest we would buy.
Jinglebob saw our old Flinch horse the other day when
he was here. That horse stands 16-1 and he always weighed
1435 in prime shape. He was like riding glass, so very smooth,
always used his rear end to turn! Everyone that rode him
said he was a cadillac ride.
But most big horses aren't that smooth. When you get a
big, athletic horse, WOW, you have really got something.
But we'll never have one again. They are just too tall.
And Jinglebob, getting them horses to step over to the
fence is a great trick. Way to goooooooooo!! WOOOO HOOOOOO! :wink:
It's so nice when they do that!
tumbleweed_texn
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boy howdy, when i asked this question i sure as heck didnt expect to start this kind of discussion. for those who may think that im just trying to sell any ol' type of horse at a ranch horse sell, i beg to differ. i made a deal the other night with FH's daughter and son-in-law for one of the horses that was posted in in Fh's christmas pics. i search allover some of the best ranchhorse country in the u.s. that would be right here in wyoming and montana. not to say there isnt any good ranch horses elsewhere, but horses here do have to contend with extreme weather and wide circles before the day is done. when i buy a colt he can look forward to alot of gathers because i do alot of day labor for area ranchers and i also have my own interests to look after. if the weather is too bad or if time permits, i also do alot of riding in an indoor arena in town to get a few colts going. the foundation cowhorse bred horse is what i'm looking for. with this horse, i feel a person can go into just about any discipline they desire. working cows on the ranch will expose a horse to more "boogers" than anything else that i can find. i will take them to the arena to work on a specific task. everyone has their own way of doing things and that is great. my way just happens to work best for me. this is for curly... i have a 2 yr old that is extremely foundation bred, i have the pedigrees going back 7 generations and about 1/2 of the horses are TB. the 1/4 horse was started with alot of different influences and TB was one of the main ones. everyone have a great night.
Curly said:
I dont know about the horse sale but Mike Bridges is doing a private clinic in Dillon on February 21 & 22 at the Beaverhead Ranch.http://www.mikebridges.net/
Anybody who has an interest in ranch horses should make an effort to get there if at all possible.
I had a 1991 Doc Bar QH that was 15.2 thanks to nice whithers. But he was built like a tank. Im guessing he weighed 1400lbs. Perfect rope/ranch horse but you dont see QHs around here built like him anymore. He wasnt the fastest or most athletic horse either.
The colts I have been buying are all Thoroughbreed racing or QH track blood for the most part.
There are some nice barrel horse bloodlines up here but they are priced out of my budjet.
Basically I buy the best conformation I can get and I dont worry about bloodlines that much. I figgure I can train the horses mind but I cant do much about changing a horses conformation.
Appendix is my favorite breed.
About some colts being rough. You know you can have two colts built the exact same way and one can be rough and the other silky smooth.
Curly
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tumbleweed_texn said:
The Foundation Quarter Horse Registries has very strict guidelines. As you said, the original quarter horse had a lot of TB blood, but Wimpy, and Leo and King, were much shorter, stouter horses (14'2, 14'3). The quarter horse breed of today is not the same as it was prior to the influx of all the TB bloods of recent years.
There's nothing wrong with the TB blood, nothing at all. I just like the original type build of the QH. I also like the minds on the Foundations, they are very easy to work with.