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horse sales in wy. , mt. and the dakotas

Curly said:
tumbleweed_texn said:
this is for curly... i have a 2 yr old that is extremely foundation bred, i have the pedigrees going back 7 generations and about 1/2 of the horses are TB. the 1/4 horse was started with alot of different influences and TB was one of the main ones. everyone have a great night.
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The Foundation Quarter Horse Registries has very strict guidelines. As you said, the original quarter horse had a lot of TB blood, but Wimpy, and Leo and King, were much shorter, stouter horses (14'2, 14'3). The quarter horse breed of today is not the same as it was prior to the influx of all the TB bloods of recent years.
There's nothing wrong with the TB blood, nothing at all. I just like the original type build of the QH. I also like the minds on the Foundations, they are very easy to work with.
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Im not argueing, im just confussed. Im no expert on bloodlines but it would seem to me that the TB influence is what gives QHs size and height? The QH influence is thicker heavier build and shorter pasterns when crossed with a TB.
Like in my area QHs vary quite a bit between Western and English barns. I have to run but I will talk more on this tonight or tommorow.
 
RoperAB said:
Im not argueing, im just confussed. Im no expert on bloodlines but it would seem to me that the TB influence is what gives QHs size and height? The QH influence is thicker heavier build and shorter pasterns when crossed with a TB.
Like in my area QHs vary quite a bit between Western and English barns. I have to run but I will talk more on this tonight or tommorow.
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I am well read on the original breeding and history of the QH, I'm not an expert, but I think you are right about the TB contributing to the height of the QH.
The TB breeding has also made the modern QH carry his head a little higher when he walks. I guess some would also argue that the TB breeding has made the skin a little thinner and easier to cut or gall (sp) as well. I have not noticed the skin being less tough myself.

I mentioned that I am partial to the foundation bred (short and stout) horses but I have to say, one of the toughest horses I have had was a TB horse that stood an honest 16'2. TOO TALL, but he could go all day and still be asking for more. Its horses like him that make people love the TB breeding.
 
Would it be fair of me to say that modern QHs have been influenced by cutting /reined cow horse crowd who basically have been breeding the runts? Look at Bill Freemans "Smart Little Lena". How tall was that horse? 13something HH? In his book Bill Freeman himself, called the horse a runt.
Trainers/breeders like Gerry Hansma/Dale Dodd are a big influence around here. I dont think I have ever seen Gerry or his wife Sandy on a QH that was larger than 14.3HH. in my life. But his stallion "Caught Me Lookin" is very much in demand. People who dont show seem to want these bloodlines.

The following are just generalizations and I know there are exceptions but when I think QH, I think big hips, short pasterns, wide stocky horse with small hoofs and no whithers.
http://www.daledoddquarterhorses.com/for_sale/haidalize.htm
Now that horse is only 13.2HH but normally they are around 14.2HH around here.
There are exceptions, think 15.2HH for English stables or some western QH breeders. :wink: Barrel racers dont ride ponies.
http://www.gwequineservices.com/jhlegacy.html
When I think Thoroughbred, I think 16 to 17HH, long pasterns, narrow horse, with good whithers.
http://www.gwequineservices.com/candidc.html
Compared to QHs I find Appendixes tend to be as wide with good hips, good whithers, longer pasterns, but bigger boned in the legs with bigger hooves and of course they are taller<15.2 to 16HH>
http://www.gwequineservices.com/thirtysjester.html

About skin
I wonder if the hair color has something to do with it? I know there are always exceptions but duns, palomino, buckskins might in general be me prone to skin problems? Anybody else notice this?
 
Roper I have read an article quoting Gerry saying Caught Me Lookin is 15.1 hands, and having watched him cut, I was very impressed with his ability. He has won a ton of money and titles, and is no shetland pony. I'd breed a mare to Ketch in a heartbeat.
 
DJL said:
Roper I have read an article quoting Gerry saying Caught Me Lookin is 15.1 hands, and having watched him cut, I was very impressed with his ability. He has won a ton of money and titles, and is no shetland pony. I'd breed a mare to Ketch in a heartbeat.
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Well then they are breeding him to smaller horses because 4 or 5 years ago I talked to Gerry about buying a prospect and he had nothing over there with any size to it. I cant remember exactly what size the prospects were anymore buit they were small. If Gerrys stallion is 15.1 im thinking thats a giant in that sport.Gerry doesnt have the heights listed on his web page. I couldnt even find a web site for Carl Gerwin.
Im 6 foot 4 and well over 200lbs. I would feel silly sitting on the average size of horse <pony> that seems to dominate cutting. I love the sport of cutting. Its a "thinking" sport. I would love to get into it. But its the size of the horses that keeps me out of it.
Dale Dodds is one of the top guys around. He has a really good web site. Go to his sale page
http://www.daledoddquarterhorses.com/for_sale/for_sale_menu.htm
He has a bunch of Reined Cow/Cutting horses on it. Every horse is between 13.2-14.2HH except for two that are not listed as cow horses.
 
Faster horses said:
I have never noticed that those color horses are more prone to skin
problems. In fact, I would stick my neck out and say that buckskin
horses are less prone.

JMHO
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I have ridden quite a few"colored" horses. Every now and then you get one that the hair wears down on underneth the bosal. Its not from using to much muscle on the reins either. Its like on some of them the hair folicles are finer than average.
I dont have skin infection troubles<cinch sores> because I keep everything clean and the rides short on colts but on one of the colts that I started that had trouble with the hair wearing under the bosal. Well now the owner claims cronic troubles with the skin under the cinch.
I have had one other person beside this guy tell me that he avoids colored horses for this reason.
Sure doesnt prove anything. Its just that this has only happened to me a few times with colored horses. But then again I ride mainly colored horses because they are easier to sell.
 
I've heard tale that the colors you mentioned are not as tough skinned but I have not used the blonde colors enough to say for myself.
 
DJL said:
Not nitpicking, just trying to keep you from being confussed. :wink:
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:lol: So you wont get confussed, if I say cow that could mean steer or heifer or anything bovine. Generally my mares and geldings all get refered to as she. I call female women, horsemen, cowboys and or refer to them as one of the guys all the time.
Guess since im married sex isnt a big deal anymore. Reminds me of a joke. This old married couple was walking through the fair. The wife noticed that this one prize bull sired 40 calves. She elbowed her husband and remarked about this.
They kept walking along and the next bull they came to sired 80 calves that year. They wife elbowed her husband and remarked about what a good sex drive that bull had.
The husband says sure, but that bull just wasnt having sex with one cow :wink:
 
hi. i know dale very well HER (to the person cutting people down they should maybe know a bit about the person first) web site (height) does not get updated all the time. Yes she does have some smaller horses but, you should see what they can do. They trun themselves inside out on a cow. Even with the smaller horses if you really LOOK at them you would be hard pressed to find many things wrong with them. She has some broodmares at 15 hands and some of her riding and show horses are just as tall. As for Gerry 'Caught me lookin' is an amazing horse to watch cut a cow. he is 15 hands or over. I would breed to him in a hreat beat. Carl does not have a web site anymore because he has sold out just about everything he has. I love the sport of cutting and do not think that it has hurt the horse industry at all. www.couleeridgehorses.com
 

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