How Many BSE Infected Cows Is Canada Sending to the US???

[Tam]

The country's herd is in expanding right now so heifer slaughter is down which has some impact on beef availbility... Drought has more of a regional impact, People get caught up with the west being the major cattle producing area along with Texas and the numbers support that a lot but other parts of the country have growing herds and didn't have the moisture issues that the west is continuing to go through... Lots of cows from out west are pouring into this country and lots of marginal crop ground is being turned into hay ground and pasture fences are being rebuilt.. I am not saying it would be a pretty process but when the cycle hits its low again, and we all know it will, the population of beef cattle in the US will be entirely different than it is right now.

I find the whole beef thing interesting. In 99 what were fed prices and what were feeder calf prices? Nothing like they are today right? The high end cuts at the meat market I worked at back than were similiar to what I see at the local locker now. The only real significant difference I see is in ground prices.

All that being said I am not saying that imports from Canada are a bad thing Tam. Not at all and if it came across that way it wasn't meant too.. I just believe if we were to not import or export period that the herd would pretty much fall into the same price scheme as supply/demand dictated nothing more or less than that.

You are ignoring the fact that while you had no exports your imports still increased by over 20%.Which means that you were eating everything you were producing PLUS the amount you imported pre BSE, PLUS over 20% more, just to cover your DOMESTIC NEEDS. Now cut the amount you imported before and the 20% increase and what would that do to your Beef prices in the US meat counter? Will the average consumer be able to afford to eat beef or will it be something only the rich can afford?

 

[IL Rancher]

Tam you are looking at immidiate situation, I am looking at years down the line so no, I am not ignoring the facts that we imported a lot of beef (6-7% but that number is old, to tired to look for more recent right now).. What I am saying is the US has room to expand the herd to meet the needs. NO it could not happen overnight. It would take some time but to say it couldn't be done is wrong. If we closed border to all imported beef right now beef prices would raise, absoultely. And eventually the price would affect demand, absolutely. BUt as that price went up more folks in this country would get into the cattle game and more land would be converted from row crops to cattle and guess what, prices would start to drop. In a natural cylce it would even out...

Again, for the third time, I am not advocating an isolationist policy. I believe in free trade even though sometimes it seems as if no such thing exists

 

[HAY MAKER]

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When public health is involved you should error on the side of safety........

Since you seem to think public health is at risk, I have to ask have you asked R-CALF or your Congressmen to demand the banning of marketing of US beef until the truth is known about US BSE and the public health is assured? Or does your concern only go so far as to stopping imports? Like you say Oldtimer "When public health is involved you should error on the side of safety" :wink: If you are not demanding the banning of US beef then this will be seen as just another attempt to stop trade with a country you don't want to Compete with. :roll:

No Miss Tam,what we did was .............take the comon sense approach.we closed and have kept the border closed to canadian OTM cattle,because you are a high risk country.................good luck
PS It makes no differnce how you see it Miss Tam,as long as you have your weekly "BSE" case, border stays closed

 

[Anonymous]

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When public health is involved you should error on the side of safety........

Since you seem to think public health is at risk, I have to ask have you asked R-CALF or your Congressmen to demand the banning of marketing of US beef until the truth is known about US BSE and the public health is assured? Or does your concern only go so far as to stopping imports? Like you say Oldtimer "When public health is involved you should error on the side of safety" :wink: If you are not demanding the banning of US beef then this will be seen as just another attempt to stop trade with a country you don't want to Compete with. :roll:

No Miss Tam,what we did was .............take the comon sense approach.we closed and have kept the border closed to canadian OTM cattle,because you are a high risk country.................good luck
PS It makes no differnce how you see it Miss Tam,as long as you have your weekly "BSE" case, border stays closed

While I've been very critical of the USDA's testing program- and believe we should not be cutting back in testing and should be allowing Creekstone etal to test-- I have to give them a little slack on the earlier cattle- since they've been found to be "atypical" and are much harder to diagnose with any test...

Actually if you look at it from that viewpoint- the US has found NO US origin cases of the strain of BSE that was rampant in the UK, Europe, and what Canada is mostly finding- since the Washington cow was of Canadian origin...And this common strain is much more easily detected by the tests used- which makes me believe that if the US had anywhere close to the problem Canada had, with over 650,000 cattle tested, at least one should have appeared...

 

[S.S.A.P.]

No Miss Tam,what we did was .............take the comon sense approach.we closed and have kept the border closed to canadian OTM cattle,because you are a high risk country.................good luck
PS It makes no differnce how you see it Miss Tam,as long as you have your weekly "BSE" case, border stays closed

" Hyperbole "
-deliberate and obvious exaggeration used for effect

Exaggerating
A person given to overstate, hyperbole, or embellishment
ex. – Oldtimer and/or Haymaker



Oldtimer's hyperbole : "cow of the month"
FACT:
44 months = 8 positives

Haymaker's hyperbole : "weekly cow"
FACT:
188 weeks = 8 positives

 

[Anonymous]

No Miss Tam,what we did was .............take the comon sense approach.we closed and have kept the border closed to canadian OTM cattle,because you are a high risk country.................good luck
PS It makes no differnce how you see it Miss Tam,as long as you have your weekly "BSE" case, border stays closed

" Hyperbole "
-deliberate and obvious exaggeration used for effect

Exaggerating
A person given to overstate, hyperbole, or embellishment
ex. – Oldtimer and/or Haymaker



Oldtimer's hyperbole : "cow of the month"
FACT:
44 months = 8 positives

Haymaker's hyperbole : "weekly cow"
FACT:
188 weeks = 8 positives

Hey Haymaker- this Canadian blonde thinks we're old bulls :wink: :lol: :lol: ...Now I've been called a lot of names with "bull" in them before- but this is the first time I've been called a hyper bull.... :lol: :lol:

 

[S.S.A.P.]

While I've been very critical of the USDA's testing program- and believe we should not be cutting back in testing and should be allowing Creekstone etal to test-- I have to give them a little slack on the earlier cattle- since they've been found to be "atypical" and are much harder to diagnose with any test...
Actually if you look at it from that viewpoint- the US has found NO US origin cases of the strain of BSE that was rampant in the UK, Europe, and what Canada is mostly finding- since the Washington cow was of Canadian origin...And this common strain is much more easily detected by the tests used- which makes me believe that if the US had anywhere close to the problem Canada had, with over 650,000 cattle tested, at least one should have appeared...

Canada's thorough testing procedures had no problem detecting our "atypical" strain

"Staff of the National BSE Reference Laboratory (BSE-RL) collected the brain for confirmatory testing at the Canadian Science Centre for Human and Animal Health in Winnipeg. On June 30, additional positive rapid screening test results were generated using the Prionics-Check Priostrip and Prionics-Check Western Blot and BSE was confirmed on July 3, 2006 using the immunohistochemistry procedure. At the same time, the Hybrid Western Blot test was performed and differences in immunobiochemical patterns including the apparent molecular weight of PrPres protein, glycoform distribution, and detection using P4 monoclonal antibody, confirmed this case as BSE with a phenotype consistent with a less prevalent strain of BSE previously reported in Europe and the US. "

 

[Anonymous]

Canada's thorough testing procedures had no problem detecting our "atypical" strain

[/u]

I would hope not- after the two were already found in the US, I would hope the agency was alert enough to be looking for it :roll:

 

[S.S.A.P.]

No Miss Tam,what we did was .............take the comon sense approach.we closed and have kept the border closed to canadian OTM cattle,because you are a high risk country.................good luck
PS It makes no differnce how you see it Miss Tam,as long as you have your weekly "BSE" case, border stays closed

" Hyperbole "
-deliberate and obvious exaggeration used for effect

Exaggerating
A person given to overstate, hyperbole, or embellishment
ex. – Oldtimer and/or Haymaker



Oldtimer's hyperbole : "cow of the month"
FACT:
44 months = 8 positives

Haymaker's hyperbole : "weekly cow"
FACT:
188 weeks = 8 positives

Hey Haymaker- this Canadian blonde thinks we're old bulls :wink: :lol: :lol: ...Now I've been called a lot of names with "bull" in them before- but this is the first time I've been called a hyper bull.... :lol: :lol:

Keep posting Haymaker .... Thanks for giving another example supporting my observation that you deliberately and obviously exaggerate.

 

[S.S.A.P.]

Canada's thorough testing procedures had no problem detecting our "atypical" strain

[/u]

I would hope not- after the two were already found in the US, I would hope the agency was alert enough to be looking for it :roll:

You said "are much harder to diagnose with any test... "
Thanks for confirming that we at least "look" and have the ability to "find"

 

[HAY MAKER]

" Hyperbole "
-deliberate and obvious exaggeration used for effect

Exaggerating
A person given to overstate, hyperbole, or embellishment
ex. – Oldtimer and/or Haymaker



Oldtimer's hyperbole : "cow of the month"
FACT:
44 months = 8 positives

Haymaker's hyperbole : "weekly cow"
FACT:
188 weeks = 8 positives

Hey Haymaker- this Canadian blonde thinks we're old bulls :wink: :lol: :lol: ...Now I've been called a lot of names with "bull" in them before- but this is the first time I've been called a hyper bull.... :lol: :lol:

Keep posting Haymaker .... Thanks for giving another example supporting my observation that you deliberately and obviously exaggerate.

Im sorry mam I meant to say monthly...................good luck
PS thanks for the compliment,been a long time since a pretty girl has called me a bull. :wink:

 

[Manitoba_Rancher]

SSAP,

At Haymaker and OT's age I think you better refer to them as old "steers"...lol

 

[HAY MAKER]

SSAP,

At Haymaker and OT's age I think you better refer to them as old "steers"...lol

Yes or in your case............a lil cheer leader,cuz that's all you do is follow people around and cheer them on like a lil sissy ..........good luck
PS maybe we oughta start calling you mamatoba rancher :wink:

 

[Manitoba_Rancher]

Well haymaker you like to hand it out so you have to take it back as well. Last time I checked a male with no &@11s was a steer!!

 

[greg]

or if you want to believe usda that the us is bse-free then i guess all those canadian cattle you've imported weren't carrying bse either. what's it gonna be r-calfers????

VERY well said,I second that

 

[bse-tester]

jdst wrote:

It looks like the test of which I speak, which neither government will help in validating, will be validated in the next 12 months by the OIE istelf. After which time the truth may set us free!

Which test are you referring to jd?? Could it possibly one that I am very familiar with perchance???

 

[Anonymous]

CAN mad cow eligible for export to US



DTN/AgDayta

September 8, 2006



(Dow Jones) -- For more than a year, the beef from Canada's youngest victim of mad cow disease would have been eligible for export to the U.S., and even at 50 months of age, she might not have been tested for the disease if she hadn't died of an unrelated malady, according to Canada's testing protocol.



Bill Bullard, CEO of R-CALF United Stockgrowers of America, in a release

noted the technicality. While those specific parts of an animal thought to

harbor bovine spongiform encephalopathy - mad cow's scientific name - and

transmit it to humans in the form of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease are

removed at slaughter, R-CALF USA claims the beef from such animals is too close

for comfort for many consumers.



The small-rancher group has fought the U.S. Department of Agriculture's

efforts to re-open the border with Canada ever since a case of BSE was

discovered in Canadian cattle in May 2003.



The 50-month-old cow died on the farm of the toxicity from mastitis, the

Canadian Food Inspection Agency said in its report on the case. The animal

showed no symptoms of BSE and the CFIA said she probably wouldn't have shown

her first signs for another three to six months, after which it would have

taken one to two months before veterinarians might have recognized it. The cow

was diagnosed on July 13, 2003.



R-CALF USA has pushed for Canada to increase its BSE testing to prove its

rate of BSE infectivity throughout its herd is low enough to be considered for

export to the U.S. The cattlemen's group maintains the U.S. border with Canada

should be closed to all cattle and beef until this proof has been supplied.



In a U.K. experiment on cattle, large-dose exposures, where 10 out of 10

animals succumbed to the disease using either three 100-gram doses or one

single 100-gram dose, the age range for symptoms to appear was 33 to 61 months

of age.



In low-dose exposures of 10 grams and one gram per dosage, incubation

periodss were 42 to 72 months, Undseth said. At a 0.1-gram exposure, the

incubation was 53 to 90 months, and at an exposure of .01 gram it was 56

months.



agdayta.com

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

CAN mad cow eligible for export to US



DTN/AgDayta

September 8, 2006



(Dow Jones) -- For more than a year, the beef from Canada's youngest victim of mad cow disease would have been eligible for export to the U.S., and even at 50 months of age, she might not have been tested for the disease if she hadn't died of an unrelated malady, according to Canada's testing protocol.



Bill Bullard, CEO of R-CALF United Stockgrowers of America, in a release

noted the technicality. While those specific parts of an animal thought to

harbor bovine spongiform encephalopathy - mad cow's scientific name - and

transmit it to humans in the form of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease are

removed at slaughter, R-CALF USA claims the beef from such animals is too close

for comfort for many consumers.



The small-rancher group has fought the U.S. Department of Agriculture's

efforts to re-open the border with Canada ever since a case of BSE was

discovered in Canadian cattle in May 2003.



The 50-month-old cow died on the farm of the toxicity from mastitis, the

Canadian Food Inspection Agency said in its report on the case. The animal

showed no symptoms of BSE and the CFIA said she probably wouldn't have shown

her first signs for another three to six months, after which it would have

taken one to two months before veterinarians might have recognized it. The cow

was diagnosed on July 13, 2003.



R-CALF USA has pushed for Canada to increase its BSE testing to prove its

rate of BSE infectivity throughout its herd is low enough to be considered for

export to the U.S. The cattlemen's group maintains the U.S. border with Canada

should be closed to all cattle and beef until this proof has been supplied.



In a U.K. experiment on cattle, large-dose exposures, where 10 out of 10

animals succumbed to the disease using either three 100-gram doses or one

single 100-gram dose, the age range for symptoms to appear was 33 to 61 months

of age.



In low-dose exposures of 10 grams and one gram per dosage, incubation

periodss were 42 to 72 months, Undseth said. At a 0.1-gram exposure, the

incubation was 53 to 90 months, and at an exposure of .01 gram it was 56

months.



agdayta.com

I think they got that date wrong. July 13 2003?

 

[cowsense]

Details don't count for much with Bullard; he knows his views won't stand up to the light of day :???: :???:

 

[S.S.A.P.]

CAN mad cow eligible for export to US
DTN/AgDayta September 8, 2006

(Dow Jones) -- For more than a year, ......

Bill Bullard, CEO of R-CALF United Stockgrowers of America, in a release noted the technicality. ..........

........ The 50-month-old cow died on the farm of the toxicity from mastitis, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said in its report on the case. The animal showed no symptoms of BSE and the CFIA said she probably wouldn't have shown her first signs for another three to six months, after which it would have taken one to two months before veterinarians might have recognized it. The cow was diagnosed on July 13, 2003..........



.......... In a U.K. experiment on cattle, large-dose exposures, where 10 out of 10 animals succumbed to the disease using either three 100-gram doses or one single 100-gram dose, the age range for symptoms to appear was 33 to 61 months of age.

In low-dose exposures of 10 grams and one gram per dosage, incubation periodss were 42 to 72 months, Undseth said. At a 0.1-gram exposure, the incubation was 53 to 90 months, and at an exposure of .01 gram it was 56 months.

Here's Oldtimer's comments about his same post on cattle today

It also appears to me that this backs up what some of the scientists were saying that this cow probably recieived a strong dose of infection- either by a large quantity of infected material or a super potent strain of infection.......

http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=270297#270297


Looking at the post objectively, it also appears to me that this 50 mth old backs up what some of the scientists are saying that this cow could also have received 00.01 gram which equals 1/1000 th to 1/100 th of a low-dose exposure.
R-calf even quoted the CFIA : CFIA said she probably wouldn't have shown her first signs for another three to six months, after which it would have taken one to two months before veterinarians might have recognized it.

50 + 4.5 (avg of 3 to 6) + 1.5 (avg of 1 to 2) = 56 mths