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I went to Miles City

It was was a Vigortone meeting.

I met your dealer Cedarcreek, We traveled down 24 from Fort Peck to 200 then turned south at the Van Norman school on gravel to Rock springs then on 59 to Miles City and back the same way.Pretty drive. :)
 
I was in Spearfish...I didn't get done early enough to brave the
drive home in the dark the night before. Too many deer on the road...
darn it!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, BMR. Glad you made it, though.

Did they talk about the new Forage Pro with rumensin?
I wanted to find out about that. I think it will be of great benefit.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
It was was a Vigortone meeting.

I met your dealer Cedarcreek, We traveled down 24 from Fort Peck to 200 then turned south at the Van Norman school on gravel to Rock springs then on 59 to Miles City and back the same way.Pretty drive. :)
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You got within about 35 miles or so as the crow flies from me.
 
Faster horses said:
I was in Spearfish...I didn't get done early enough to brave the
drive home in the dark the night before. Too many deer on the road...
darn it!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, BMR. Glad you made it, though.

Did they talk about the new Forage Pro with rumensin?
I wanted to find out about that. I think it will be of great benefit.
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I might have missed about the forage pro but i don't think so. I had a call to make so stepped out for a minute.
Why wouldn't they use Bovatec rather then Rumension?
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Faster horses said:
I was in Spearfish...I didn't get done early enough to brave the
drive home in the dark the night before. Too many deer on the road...
darn it!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, BMR. Glad you made it, though.

Did they talk about the new Forage Pro with rumensin?
I wanted to find out about that. I think it will be of great benefit.
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I might have missed about the forage pro but i don't think so. I had a call to make so stepped out for a minute.
Why wouldn't they use Bovatec rather then Rumension?
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My sentiments exactly. There is one company in B C that will even talk about Bovatec. Fortunately they are the best and cheapest also. :wink:
 
gcreekrch said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Faster horses said:
I was in Spearfish...I didn't get done early enough to brave the
drive home in the dark the night before. Too many deer on the road...
darn it!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, BMR. Glad you made it, though.

Did they talk about the new Forage Pro with rumensin?
I wanted to find out about that. I think it will be of great benefit.
Click to expand...

I might have missed about the forage pro but i don't think so. I had a call to make so stepped out for a minute.
Why wouldn't they use Bovatec rather then Rumension?
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My sentiments exactly. There is one company in B C that will even talk about Bovatec. Fortunately they are the best and cheapest also. :wink:
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Elanco has a very good salesman in southern Sask so nobody uses Bovatec. :?
 
I don't sell any Bovatech product. The Area Manager prefers Rumensin products. In ND they use a Vigortone Bovatech product, but I've never sold anything with it.

They talked about Digest-a-Max 4, right, BMR.
I guess that's a really hot product to feed when receiving calves.
They don't go off feed and you feed it for 30 days. Lots of
feedlots are ordering it. I have a flyer on it, and I know it is
basically Diamond V Yeast and exclusive to Vigortone.
 
Ah, so that's how your wonder mineral "builds healthy immune systems" in your cattle - by feeding them low rate antibiotic on a daily basis with Bovatec or Rumensin. :roll: :roll: :shock: :shock: Starting the drug pimping before they even hit the feedlot - sure glad we are in the business of retailing grass-fed, antibiotic and hormone free beef.
 
Ya well, ya jumped too soon. We've never fed Rumensin or Bovatech.
I have customers who have feedlots who do.
Why didn't you ask first?

And where did you come up with the low rate antibiotic on a
daily basis????????? HUH???????????

Perhaps you don't know Rumensin and Bovatech are IONOPHORES,
not antibiotics.???????????????:shock: Fron Elanco's site:
"Rumensin remains the best "all-round" ionophore for improved feedlot performance
and animal health. It helps grainfed cattle to digest their food more efficiently."

We feed everything here free choice hay and mineral. Period.
We are not set up to feedlot anything.
And 99% of my business comes from ranchers, not feedlot owners--
therefore I don't sell much Rumensin and I've never sold Bovatech products.

Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
 
FH I wasn't referring to what you fed your cows personally rather the products that the company I take it you work for sells.
What did I have to ask?
Faster horses said:
I don't sell any Bovatech product. The Area Manager prefers Rumensin products. In ND they use a Vigortone Bovatech product, but I've never sold anything with it.
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From your quote it would appear your company sells product using both Bovatec and Rumensin. Personally I would not use either of these products as they are to all intents and purposes feeding low dose antibiotic to the animal. Sure Elanco will claim "sound science" that they are a feed additive or an "ionophore" but by the way they act they may as well be straight antibiotic - certainly enough that if you were feeding them regularly they would conceal all types of problems that would be revealed if you were to select your cattle without this blanket "performance enhancer"
 
Grassfarmer said:
Ah, so that's how your wonder mineral "builds healthy immune systems" in your cattle - by feeding them low rate antibiotic on a daily basis with Bovatec or Rumensin. :roll: :roll: :shock: :shock: Starting the drug pimping before they even hit the feedlot - sure glad we are in the business of retailing grass-fed, antibiotic and hormone free beef.
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Exactly what are you implying with your statement about the cow/calf outfit that feeds vigortone mineral ???? :roll:

hormone free grassfarmer???? :???: Perhaps you should be saying: "no implants" or "no added growth hormone" :wink:
 
Faster horses said:
I think you are wrong, GF. My customers feed it for additional gain--
I have NEVER heard Rumensin or Bovatec referred to as an
antibiotic.
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Try this report albeit an outdated one - I realise that these products are both now approved for use on breeding cows but is that because they have been proven safe or the drug companies have paid the politicians enough? As I say I wouldn't use either of these products and this report certainly highlights some concerns there were with them. Not natural, healthy products by any means.

Agricultural publication G02075 — Reviewed October 1, 1993
Feed Additives for Beef Cattle
Homer B. Sewell
Department of Animal Sciences, University of Missouri-Columbia

Ionophores.
Ionophores are polyether antibiotics that transport ions across biological membranes.

Rumensin is not approved for use with dairy cows or beef cows.
Rumensin is more toxic to horses and swine than cattle

(Bovatec) It has not been approved for feeding to
breeding animals or to cattle on pasture. Bovatec is less toxic than Rumensin for farm animals. However, it is not safe for horses.



S.S.A.P. said:
Grassfarmer said:
Ah, so that's how your wonder mineral "builds healthy immune systems" in your cattle - by feeding them low rate antibiotic on a daily basis with Bovatec or Rumensin. :roll: :roll: :shock: :shock: Starting the drug pimping before they even hit the feedlot - sure glad we are in the business of retailing grass-fed, antibiotic and hormone free beef.
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Exactly what are you implying with your statement about the cow/calf outfit that feeds vigortone mineral ???? :roll:

hormone free grassfarmer???? :???: Perhaps you should be saying: "no implants" or "no added growth hormone" :wink:
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I wasn't implying anything about the cow/calf outfit that feeds vigortone - only that I do not think it is good practise to be feeding either of these ionophores. I don't like the fact that it feeds into the whole hormone/antibiotic culture of our "industry". Particularly as a Canadian you should realise that as soon as we treat with hormones or to a lesser antibiotics we are effectively making our animals captive to the north American domestic market and the price constraints that brings.
Agreed the point of "no implants" or no "added growth hormone" versus the "hormone free" term I use. I'm used to dealing with consumers and hormone free is what they understand :)
 
Grassfarmer..........

www.cellarator.com

No antibiotics. No hormones.
European technology....LOOMIX has the exclusive North American rights. Safe to feed to cattle headed for the European market. Same with Cell-Rate.
 
Sorry Loomixguy I won't be buying that anytime soon either. The very first line on the website you linked says "Animals are constantly in a comprised, stressful position. This may be caused by illness, injury, breeding or any other physical challenge."
This indicates to me they are just another input company selling a solution to "fix" the symptoms rather than the problem.
My animals are not constantly in a comprised (I think the word they wanted here was actually compromised), stressful situation and that is a function of management.
The rest of the webpage didn't interest me too much as it was all about putting a shine on show ring champions - a very different world from that which I operate in. The older I get the less I believe in miracle cures whether they be minerals, medicines, breeds or bulls. I tend to think now that the miracle is that producers keep on buying overpriced products that they don't really need on the promise that they will solve all their problems.
 
Whatever floats your boat. Just letting you know about a no hormone/no antibiotic product that many folks have been happy with. Sorry to have wasted your time.
 

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