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New data released by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) shows that as of the end of March 2014, Medicaid and CHIP enrollment had increased by over 4.8 million people since open enrollment began for the new Health Insurance Marketplaces in October 2013.

this is additional obamacare "enrollees" on top of the 63.7 million already getting free heath care.


Enrollment growth in states that have expanded Medicaid coverage to low-income adults outpaced the national average, and was significantly higher than growth in non-expanding states (12.9% vs. 2.6%).

so the states that opted to take the federal handout will see a larger increase in costs down the road... :shock:



W‌ith enrollment data now available for the second quarter ‌of 2014, it is possible to construct a complete picture of the changes in health insurance coverage that occurred during the initial implementation of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), commonly known as Obamacare.

Thus, while a total of 8.5 million individuals gained coverage, 71 percent of that net coverage gain was attributable to the Obamacare expansion of Medicaid to able-bodied, working-age adults.



now do you want to see the real kick in the @$$,...

The second-biggest coverage change that occurred during the first half of 2014 was the decline in the number of individuals with coverage through fully insured employer group plans. Enrollment in such plans dropped by 3.8 million individuals in Q1 2014, and by nearly a million more individuals in Q2 2014. Thus, for the first half of 2014, the number of individuals with coverage through a fully insured employer group plan decreased by nearly 4.8 million.

4.8 million went on medicaid.. and 4.8 million lost employer coverage...
 
And everyone's rate on this board went up, and the have reduced coverage or lost insurance plan or both like me..

Yet we're somehow paying less now?????


You're getting closer to reason Kola, but on this you're still way off.

Saving money is where you get to keep more in your bank account at the end of the year, not less.
 
kola your theory only works if health care costs go down.
On the contrary they have gone up. How many times has the government done anything where the cost to taxpayers has gone down. government programs always work the opposite and costs go up
 
The point of Obama care is to exert control over people. If Obama care was meant to expand coverage which is the same as control costs, it would have started with tort reform. The commies are working overtime with excuses, but it's inescapable: Obama care doesn't work and free people do not benefit from it. If you accept wards of the govt vote dem, you'll understand enough about this tyranny.

Look at the diseaster that is social stupidity. Thanks to the tyrants a worker pays in enough to retire young and wealthy, but through the stupid filter of government, the worker gets to retire old on cat food. Thanks democrats.

If all these do good schemes are actually good deals, why do they need to impose them with a spear. When taco johns has taco Tuesday, it's a good deal and it's entirely elective if you want to participate.
 
kolanuraven said:
OF Ferguson
OF the Pres and AG getting into business where they don't belong
OF people dismissing the verdict of the Grand Jury
OF Bill Cosbey

..........................................................


I guess voting fo a community organizer wasn't such a good idea, eh?
 
Lady I work with said her dad's Dr dumped him when he had to dump all Medicaid patients, she took him to an urgent care this past weekend, which turned her down and sent them to wait 5 hrs to be seen at the ER.

You forgot to figure in all these wonderful tidbits, maybe I am getting my money's worth?
:roll:

And yes, she was dumb enough to buy into the free healthcare bit. Reality just slapped her upside the head. I'm not sure if she is smart enough to figure out she did it to herself though. But I'm doing my part to help her connect the dots- slowly, as is given with most liberals.
 
Larrry said:
kola your theory only works if health care costs go down.
On the contrary they have gone up. How many times has the government done anything where the cost to taxpayers has gone down. government programs always work the opposite and costs go up


Health care is the biggest money maker on the planet, it will NEVER get cheap. Cheaper maybe but never cheap.


Hell, they could cure cancer but if that happened too many people would loose money.
 
Martin Jr. said:
Wasn't cheap health care for everyone just an utopian dream to start with?


It was a dream of Reagan to start with ....them moved to Romney


Not a bad dream to be honest.................
 
Brad S said:
The point of Obama care is to exert control over people. If Obama care was meant to expand coverage which is the same as control costs, it would have started with tort reform. The commies are working overtime with excuses, but it's inescapable: Obama care doesn't work and free people do not benefit from it. If you accept wards of the govt vote dem, you'll understand enough about this tyranny.

Look at the diseaster that is social stupidity. Thanks to the tyrants a worker pays in enough to retire young and wealthy, but through the stupid filter of government, the worker gets to retire old on cat food. Thanks democrats.

If all these do good schemes are actually good deals, why do they need to impose them with a spear. When taco johns has taco Tuesday, it's a good deal and it's entirely elective if you want to participate.



You're just being paranoid
 
hypocritexposer said:
kolanuraven said:
OF Ferguson
OF the Pres and AG getting into business where they don't belong
OF people dismissing the verdict of the Grand Jury
OF Bill Cosbey

..........................................................


I guess voting fo a community organizer wasn't such a good idea, eh?


I am not ashamed of my vote. You can not blame all this onto one man. I blame all those old codgers in Congress those who have made a career of being elected and keep people whipped up with fear of " the unknown".

They keep the populace from even thinking on their own. People have become like lemings...they will follow the one with the loudest squeak no matter where it leads
 
kolanuraven said:
hypocritexposer said:
kolanuraven said:
OF Ferguson
OF the Pres and AG getting into business where they don't belong
OF people dismissing the verdict of the Grand Jury
OF Bill Cosbey

..........................................................


I guess voting fo a community organizer wasn't such a good idea, eh?


I am not ashamed of my vote.

You should be. You wouldn't be "tired" of all this if you didn't have feelings, even subconsciously, of buyer's remorse. WE TOLD YOU SO!
 
kolanuraven said:
Larrry said:
kola your theory only works if health care costs go down.
On the contrary they have gone up. How many times has the government done anything where the cost to taxpayers has gone down. government programs always work the opposite and costs go up


Health care is the biggest money maker on the planet, it will NEVER get cheap. Cheaper maybe but never cheap.


Hell, they could cure cancer but if that happened too many people would loose money.

So in that statement you are admitting obma lied about our 2500 saving. A promise of 2500 hundred savings for a program that doesn't offer any more than we had, in fact less than we had. And you are bragging about that, surely not. You are a smart lady and since you are smart you cant say costing more for less is smart
 
You'd think that Kola would also be tired of the fact that the Democrats OWN every ghetto in the United States.

Come on over to the Dark Side, Kola. You are finally beginning to see what you bought with your vote, and it looks like you've had enough of the lies, deceit, utter lawlessness, and overt racism we've endured for the past 6 years.
 
Real statesmen. :roll:

They really do need to move to Liberia to offer their brilliance. Who says there's no difference between D and R?

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/lawmakers-ferguson-hands-up-113254.html
 
So we have a guy that stands before the American public passing laws yet doesn't believe in the law....you sir are an idiot and a racist, worse than the kkk
 
kolanuraven said:
Martin Jr. said:
Wasn't cheap health care for everyone just an utopian dream to start with?


It was a dream of Reagan to start with ....them moved to Romney


Not a bad dream to be honest.................


Why don't you tell us about Reagan's Health Care policy, Kola?





"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It is very easy to describe a medical program as a humanitarian project... Under the Truman administration, it was proposed that we have a compulsory health insurance program for all people in the United States, and of course, the American people unhesitatingly rejected this... In the last decade, 127 million of our citizens, in just ten years, have come under the protection of some privately-owned medical or hospital insurance. The advocates of [socialized healthcare], when you try to oppose it, challenge you on an emotional basis... What can we do about this? Well you and I can do a great deal. We can write to our Congressmen, to our Senators. We can say right now that we want no further encroachment on these individual liberties and freedoms. And at the moment, the key issue is we do not want socialized medicine... If you don't, this program I promise you will pass just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow. And behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as well have known it in this country, until one day, as Norman Thomas said, we will awake to find that we have socialism. If you don't do this and if I don't do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free."[22][23]
 
So lets just suppose you go to the furniture store to buy a couch.
Tell them you want a couch, they have one in a box but you can't look at it.

So they get you to take it home, you open the box and its a regurgitated ugly azz couch and the ticket said they charged you a couple hundred bucks more.

Are you gonna open it up, take it out and try to rebuild it and reupholster it or you gonna tell them they can have their piece of crap back

sounds like you would keep it kola
 
I blame all those old codgers in Congress those who have made a career of being elected and keep people whipped up with fear of " the unknown".

well the dems are the oldest party... :shock:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-CONGRESS_AGES_1009.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/07/08/congress-is-really-really-old/

you liberals need to freshen up your ranks abit.. maybe start a movement to challenge incumbents that are old and decrepit...

not sure what you would call it as TEA party is already taken..

how about,.... Communist, OWS, global Warming, Anarchist, Radical Democratic Socialists,..

I doubt it would work as liberals will never challenge their old codgers
 

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